Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: economic cost of lost emails.

[J.M. Porup]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014, at 16:05, Juan Batiz-Benet wrote:
> Hey guys, I'm adding myself to this list (I was in class of 2010 (CS) --
> wow i'm old...)
> 
> Natanael, Jens, very glad to see you raising these concerns. I see the
> burning of the library as the worst tragedy to befall humanity yet... and
> that's a big statement made with clear understanding of genocides,
> epidemics, etc. Sagan has a great telling of the story in Cosmos ep1. They
> are *exactly* what drove me to make IPFS and Filecoin.  (which, funnily,
> are precisely in that design line of thinking Natanael ;) )
> 
> Anyway, please see these links. More discussion later
> 
> - IPFS: ipfs.io (see the talk at 2x) and http://static.benet.ai/t/ipfs.pdf
> - Filecoin filecoin.io (see the whitepaper there)
> 
> And, if you believe in the same things I do, help build this. I'm hiring,
> so reach out.
> 
> Juan

Interesting. Is the goal to create a DAC (Distributed Autonomous Corporation)?

References:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2014/01/computer-corporations [*]

http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/01/storj-and-bitcoin-autonomous-agents.html

[*] Full disclosure: I wrote this article.

Jens

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[liberationtech] Pew Report - Social Media and the ‘Spiral of Silence’

[Steven Clift]

Pew Report:

Social Media and the ‘Spiral of Silence’
http://bit.ly/silentspiral


Guardian article:

Facebook and Twitter users 'more likely' to censor their views offline
Pew study warns about ‘spiral of silence’ in US discussion of Edward
Snowden’s NSA online surveillance revelations
http://bit.ly/guardianselfcensor


On a related note, from my analysis of a past Pew survey, see slides
17, 18, and 19 - there is huge drop off in the ideological middle of
those who talk politics offline still willing to do it online.

http://bit.ly/newvoicesslides


My take - the "loudest voices" problem and the lack of civility
practiced by thunderous partisans make online political discussion
quite uninviting for many. My view is that once you frame online
discussion as say city politics versus broader community
life/community issues exchange you lose 98% of potential participants.



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Re: [liberationtech] Facebook has been removed old restriction for Iranian

[Collin Anderson]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Griffin Boyce 
wrote:

> Though SSL is still throttled for connections coming out of the country.
>

I don't know why this comment was necessary, I'm not even sure it is true.
Citation please, since from my vantage, SSL has issues but is not throttled
currently.


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Re: [liberationtech] [ECF] Pew Report - Social Media and the ‘Spiral of Silence’

[Mariam Cook]

Thanks Steven, really interesting (the Pew report and your deck which I've
just read through). When I first embarked on developing PositionDial, I
believed that those most engaged politically, with the strongest opinions,
would be most interested, and pondered how to get around this, when really
a huge part of PositionDial's purpose is to engage people more widely,
especially the disengaged. However in my own research, I found it was those
in the middle, or the ones most unsure on particular issues, or lacking of
confidence who were most interested, both in 'seeing the different sides'
of issues... and working out where they stand, relatively. They represent a
marketing challenge (as it's the top engagers who naturally connect with us
and sign up) but we hope once we reach the silent middle... our helping
them see a spectrum of information can hook them in... even if they aren't
discussing, and get them into 'playing' and 'tracking their progress' on
the issue they care about...so they are more inclined towards civic
engagement, including discussion on and offline..

I was going going to send this to the whole list but just bottled it as
don't want to come across as just self-promoting... but anyway I'm going to
register on e-democracy and keep watching your work. I'm supposed to be
head down in a massive project (which is why I've just shared an article on
twitter on procrastinating and am now emailing you! :-/) but would be great
to connect more in time.. really interested in your work and potentially
seeing if there are ways we can work together in future,

best wishes
Mariam


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On 26 August 2014 22:09, Steven Clift  wrote:

> Pew Report:
>
> Social Media and the ‘Spiral of Silence’
> http://bit.ly/silentspiral
>
>
> Guardian article:
>
> Facebook and Twitter users 'more likely' to censor their views offline
> Pew study warns about ‘spiral of silence’ in US discussion of Edward
> Snowden’s NSA online surveillance revelations
> http://bit.ly/guardianselfcensor
>
>
> On a related note, from my analysis of a past Pew survey, see slides
> 17, 18, and 19 - there is huge drop off in the ideological middle of
> those who talk politics offline still willing to do it online.
>
> http://bit.ly/newvoicesslides
>
>
> My take - the "loudest voices" problem and the lack of civility
> practiced by thunderous partisans make online political discussion
> quite uninviting for many. My view is that once you frame online
> discussion as say city politics versus broader community
> life/community issues exchange you lose 98% of potential participants.
>
>
>
> Steven Clift - http://stevenclift.com
>   Executive Director - http://E-Democracy.org
>   Twitter: http://twitter.com/democracy
>   Tel/Text: +1.612.234.7072
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Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: economic cost of lost emails.

[Juan Batiz-Benet]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:43 AM, J.M. Porup  wrote:

>
> Interesting. Is the goal to create a DAC (Distributed Autonomous
> Corporation)?
>
> References:
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2014/01/computer-corporations [*]
>
>
> http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/01/storj-and-bitcoin-autonomous-agents.html
>
> [*] Full disclosure: I wrote this article.
>
> Jens
>

Not exactly.

I'm really interested in getting us closer to supporting DAC/DAOs, but I
don't think we're ready yet. I think the first digital organisms that will
"live" on the internet will be (are) much simpler. In fact, one of the
early conversations I had around IPFS/Filecoin is that purely
cryptocurrency-operated infrastructure (storage, bandwidth, and
computation) are necessary to get to truly autonomous agents living on the
internet.

For now, I'm building a plain old company focused on evolving internet
protocols. To be accurate, "the Filecoin network" and "the organization
developing the Filecoin protocol + software" are distinct, related
entities, so perhaps there's a proto-DAC there too.

Juan
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