Re: [liberationtech] Are you ready for e-voting in your country? Some articles

2016-06-20 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall 
I'd highly recommend reading in full (it's long) the Eric Geller
piece, which interviews a bunch of board members of the Verified
Voting Foundation as well as some internet voting vendors (note that
in the field "e-voting" is any type of electronic voting typically not
mediated by internet, and "internet voting" or "i-voting" is remote
casting of official ballot data over a network that depends on
internet).

While I don't have it at my fingertips, studies have shown that there
are much more dominant factors that affect turnout than the ballot
casting method/technology, so I wouldn't hang my hopes there.

(Full disclosure: I'm a member of the Verified Voting Foundation
Board of Directors; I also believe that at some point in the future
we will need to figure out how to run secure government elections
without transferring physical matter, but that it's folly to do that now
given our current interent and the state of mobile and consumer
computing devices.)

best, Joe

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Steven Clift  wrote:
> OK, these articles suggest continued skepticism. Are there other
> decent counter points that say we can do e-voting securely enough to
> take advantage of higher turn-out? Or is that a myth too?
>
> Notably, 26 US states now allow registering to vote online:
> http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/electronic-or-online-voter-registration.aspx#Table%20of%20states%20w/ovr
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Clift
>
> Online voting is a cybersecurity nightmare
> By Eric Geller
> Jun 10, 2016, 1:32pm CT | Last updated Jun 10, 2016, 1:33pm CT
>
> http://po.st/GEUEOE
>
> Chinese hackers target Taiwan political party to spy on website visitors
> By James Griffiths, CNN
> Updated 11:13 AM ET, Thu June 2, 2016
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/asia/taiwan-dpp-chinese-hackers/index.html
>
> Philippine voter data hacked but polls to go ahead
> By TERESA CEROJANO
> Apr. 22, 2016 9:23 AM EDT
>
>  
> http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9258d3314bba4f4c863d16b8f4b3a0ab/data-all-filipino-voters-hacked-may-polls-go-ahead
>
>
> Could the 2016 Election Be Stolen with Help from Electronic Voting Machines?
> February 23, 2016
>
>   http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/23/could_the_2016_election_be_stolen
>
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Re: [liberationtech] [democracies online exchange] Are you ready for e-voting in your country? Some articles

2016-06-20 Thread Gregory Miller 
Steven-
Having been a participant on a recent Atlantic Council summit addressing
this very issue following a report from Connie McCormack, which we blogged
about at the OSET Institute web site (see: http://bit.ly/OSETrcrd) I
strongly encourage a separation of terms and phrases that are increasingly
confusing the discussion:

*e-Voting* refers to the application of digital technologies to the casting
and counting of ballots.

*iVoting* refers to the use of the public packet switched network (the
Internet) for casting and counting of ballots in public elections.

Our position at the TrustTheVote Project 
(shared by one of our outside development partners, Galois spin-off
Freeandfair.us) is that NO, the current public Internet as available today
is NOT designed nor able to simultaneously support privacy and security
required to sustain a secret ballot and anonymous voter.

Also, the evidence today is mixed about whether and to what extent making
another means to cast a ballot (the so-called pajama-voting or smartphone
voting methods) will actually increase turnout.  It might of one
demographic (Millennial) and as that generation matures and new digital-age
populations reach the age of voting come along this may change.

In any event, just want to weigh-in that we should keep terminology
straight and address the issue with intellectual honesty to every extent
possible.  Goodness knows that our team, largely veterans of companies that
help catalyze the commercial Internet, would love to see iVoting become a
reality.  But the challenges to do so safely and securely are enormous,
overly downplayed, and largely misunderstood.  This is moon-shot type stuff
to make it work (at least in U.S. democracy; other nations with different
conditions may have a different opportunity relying on the existing TCP/IP
architecture.)

Cheers
-- 
*Gregory Miller*
Co-Executive Director & Chief Development Officer
*OSET* *Institute* | *TrustTheVote* *Project*
www.OSETFoundation.org  |
www.trustthevote.org
*Twitter*: @TrustTheVote | @OSET


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Steven Clift 
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Democracies Online 
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> *Are you ready for e-voting in your country? Some articles*
> 
> by *Steven Clift* 
> in *Democracies Online Exchange*
> 
> --
> OK, these articles suggest continued skepticism. Are there other
> decent counter points that say we can do e-voting securely enough to
> take advantage of higher turn-out? Or is that a myth too?
>
> Notably, 26 US states now allow registering to vote online:
> http://*www.ncsl.org*
> ​/research​/elections​-and​-campaigns​/electronic​-or​-online​-voter​-registration​.aspx​#Table​%20of​%20states​%20w​/ovr
> 
>
> Cheers,
> Steven Clift
>
> Online voting is a cybersecurity nightmare
> By Eric Geller
> Jun 10, 2016, 1:32pm CT | Last updated Jun 10, 2016, 1:33pm CT
>
> http://po.st/GEUEOE
>
> Chinese hackers target Taiwan political party to spy on website visitors
> By James Griffiths, CNN
> Updated 11:13 AM ET, Thu June 2, 2016
>
> http://*www.cnn.com*
> ​/2016​/06​/01​/asia​/taiwan​-dpp​-chinese​-hackers​/index​.html
> 
>
> Philippine voter data hacked but polls to go ahead
> By TERESA CEROJANO
> Apr. 22, 2016 9:23 AM EDT
>
> http://*bigstory.ap.org*
> ​/article​/9258d3314bba4f4c863d16b8f4b3a0ab​/data​-all​-filipino​-voters​-hacked​-may​-polls​-go​-ahead
> 
>
>
> Could the 2016 Election Be Stolen with Help from Electronic Voting
> Machines?
> February 23, 2016
>
> http://*www.democracynow.org*
> ​/2016​/2​/23​/could​_the​_2016​_election​_be​_stolen
> 
>
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[liberationtech] Are you ready for e-voting in your country? Some articles

2016-06-20 Thread Steven Clift 
OK, these articles suggest continued skepticism. Are there other
decent counter points that say we can do e-voting securely enough to
take advantage of higher turn-out? Or is that a myth too?

Notably, 26 US states now allow registering to vote online:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/electronic-or-online-voter-registration.aspx#Table%20of%20states%20w/ovr

Cheers,
Steven Clift

Online voting is a cybersecurity nightmare
By Eric Geller
Jun 10, 2016, 1:32pm CT | Last updated Jun 10, 2016, 1:33pm CT

http://po.st/GEUEOE

Chinese hackers target Taiwan political party to spy on website visitors
By James Griffiths, CNN
Updated 11:13 AM ET, Thu June 2, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/asia/taiwan-dpp-chinese-hackers/index.html

Philippine voter data hacked but polls to go ahead
By TERESA CEROJANO
Apr. 22, 2016 9:23 AM EDT

 
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9258d3314bba4f4c863d16b8f4b3a0ab/data-all-filipino-voters-hacked-may-polls-go-ahead


Could the 2016 Election Be Stolen with Help from Electronic Voting Machines?
February 23, 2016

  http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/23/could_the_2016_election_be_stolen

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