Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-02-27 Thread Andres Pacheco 
 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } Paranoia about FB et alte should be superseded by paranoia about 
"Just Trump!"
We've seen reactions from top social media outfits against Trump,  so there's 
hope
In any case anybody can get "off the grid" if risk análisis do dictates.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, February 27, 2017, 10:14 AM, Steve Weis  wrote:

Hi José. Facebook's data policy states it only shares non-personally 
identifying demographic information in aggregate with advertisers. See the 
section under "Sharing With Third-Party Partners and Customers":
https://www.facebook.com/policy.php#

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:25 AM, José María Mateos  wrote:

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:48 PM, John Sullivan  wrote:
> Interesting. What data of yours do they get?

It's not explicitly stated in the files I downloaded and I haven't
been able to quickly find any reasonable answer within Facebook's help
system. Difficult to know :-(

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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-02-27 Thread Steve Weis 
Hi José. Facebook's data policy states it only shares non-personally
identifying demographic information in aggregate with advertisers. See the
section under "Sharing With Third-Party Partners and Customers":
https://www.facebook.com/policy.php#


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:25 AM, José María Mateos 
wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:48 PM, John Sullivan  wrote:
> > Interesting. What data of yours do they get?
>
> It's not explicitly stated in the files I downloaded and I haven't
> been able to quickly find any reasonable answer within Facebook's help
> system. Difficult to know :-(
>
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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-02-26 Thread John Sullivan 
José María Mateos  writes:

> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 03:15:15PM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>>I'm also going to bash Facebook (and Twitter) some more: they've
>>earned it, by being excellent examples of worst practices in action.
>
> I just permanently deleted my Facebook account. First I downloaded the
> data they had on me, which included the list of advertisers that also
> got my data. Here it goes:
>

Interesting. What data of yours do they get?

-john

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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-01-25 Thread F LM 
Sorry, I just forgot the most important point— blaming Facebook for this seems, 
to me, no different than blaming the manufacturer of the computer used to 
broadcast the crime...

FL

> On 25-01-2017, at 15:04, F LM  wrote:
> 
> As much as I value privacy and I hate Facebook, I think your message contains 
> critical fallacies on so many levels...
> 
> First, I'm not sure Mark Zuckerberg is a sociopath — and certainly I don't 
> have any evidence to claim so.
> 
> Second, couldn't it be possible that the group simply was not reported (small 
> group) and therefore not noticed until the transmission ended? We are just 
> making assumptions here.
> 
> Third, are you suggesting Facebook should be permanently blocked?
> 
> FL
> 
>> On 25-01-2017, at 12:39, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
>> 
>> [ Yes, I know I'm following up my own message.  There's a reason. ]
>> 
>> Here's what Facebook Live did this week:
>> 
>>   Facebook Live 'broadcasts gang rape' of woman in Sweden
>>   http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186
>> 
>> Police in Uppsala were contacted in the morning by a woman who
>>   said she had seen a gang rape broadcast in a closed group on
>>   the site.  "You have been raped," one of the men said at the
>>   end of the video and then laughed, according to the viewer.
>>   Police later confirmed they, and "many" others, had seen the
>>   footage.  The Facebook group is said to have several thousand
>>   members.  Police confirmed that they had found three men, aged
>>   between 19 and 25, and one woman at a local apartment.  The
>>   men were arrested on the spot.
>> 
>> Read the whole article, all the way to the end.  It shouldn't be
>> surprising to anyone who's been paying attention: of *course*
>> a company founded by a sociopath repeatedly exhibits sociopathic
>> behavior: it's profitable.  Why would one expect anything else?
>> 
>> Now explain to me why you think it's a good idea to do anything
>> other than firewall their network ranges permanently.
>> 
>> ---rsk
>> 
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>> closely, the inner soul of the people.  On some great and glorious day the
>> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
>> White House will be adorned by a downright moron. -- H.L. Mencken 7/26/1920
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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-01-25 Thread F LM 
As much as I value privacy and I hate Facebook, I think your message contains 
critical fallacies on so many levels...

First, I'm not sure Mark Zuckerberg is a sociopath — and certainly I don't have 
any evidence to claim so.

Second, couldn't it be possible that the group simply was not reported (small 
group) and therefore not noticed until the transmission ended? We are just 
making assumptions here.

Third, are you suggesting Facebook should be permanently blocked?

FL

> On 25-01-2017, at 12:39, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:
> 
> [ Yes, I know I'm following up my own message.  There's a reason. ]
> 
> Here's what Facebook Live did this week:
> 
>Facebook Live 'broadcasts gang rape' of woman in Sweden
>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186
> 
>  Police in Uppsala were contacted in the morning by a woman who
>said she had seen a gang rape broadcast in a closed group on
>the site.  "You have been raped," one of the men said at the
>end of the video and then laughed, according to the viewer.
>Police later confirmed they, and "many" others, had seen the
>footage.  The Facebook group is said to have several thousand
>members.  Police confirmed that they had found three men, aged
>between 19 and 25, and one woman at a local apartment.  The
>men were arrested on the spot.
> 
> Read the whole article, all the way to the end.  It shouldn't be
> surprising to anyone who's been paying attention: of *course*
> a company founded by a sociopath repeatedly exhibits sociopathic
> behavior: it's profitable.  Why would one expect anything else?
> 
> Now explain to me why you think it's a good idea to do anything
> other than firewall their network ranges permanently.
> 
> ---rsk
> 
> -- 
> As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more
> closely, the inner soul of the people.  On some great and glorious day the
> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
> White House will be adorned by a downright moron. -- H.L. Mencken 7/26/1920
> 
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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-01-25 Thread Nathan of Guardian 
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: 
> Here's what Facebook Live did this week:
> 
>   Facebook Live 'broadcasts gang rape' of woman in Sweden
>   http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186
 
> Read the whole article, all the way to the end.  

I did, and saw this "Facebook Live also caught the aftermath of an
incident in which a police officer shot and killed a man in St Paul,
Minnesota in July 2016."

and then read this "Officer Who Shot Philando Castile Is Charged With
Manslaughter"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/philando-castile-shooting-minnesota.html?_r=0

The likelihood that would have happened without the pressure that
happened due to Facebook Live is quite low.

> Now explain to me why you think it's a good idea to do anything
> other than firewall their network ranges permanently.

If good people don't actively work to find empowering uses of
indifferent technology, then only the a-holes will have all the shiny
toys. 

Also live video streaming from personal mobile phones over the Internet
is not going anywhere, whether on Facebook or not. I suppose you could
just block all UDP packets on known streaming protocol ports, and do DPI
for HLS over HTTP, but that would start to get out of control a bit,
don't you think?

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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-01-25 Thread Rich Kulawiec 
[ Yes, I know I'm following up my own message.  There's a reason. ]

Here's what Facebook Live did this week:

Facebook Live 'broadcasts gang rape' of woman in Sweden
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186

Police in Uppsala were contacted in the morning by a woman who
said she had seen a gang rape broadcast in a closed group on
the site.  "You have been raped," one of the men said at the
end of the video and then laughed, according to the viewer.
Police later confirmed they, and "many" others, had seen the
footage.  The Facebook group is said to have several thousand
members.  Police confirmed that they had found three men, aged
between 19 and 25, and one woman at a local apartment.  The
men were arrested on the spot.

Read the whole article, all the way to the end.  It shouldn't be
surprising to anyone who's been paying attention: of *course*
a company founded by a sociopath repeatedly exhibits sociopathic
behavior: it's profitable.  Why would one expect anything else?

Now explain to me why you think it's a good idea to do anything
other than firewall their network ranges permanently.

---rsk

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White House will be adorned by a downright moron. -- H.L. Mencken 7/26/1920

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Re: [liberationtech] Boston event: How nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast their impact??? (Feb 27th)

2017-01-23 Thread Rich Kulawiec 
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 08:01:56AM -0500, Deborah Elizabeth Finn wrote:
> Tech Networks of Boston (TNB) and TNB Labs (TNBL) are pleased to invite you
> to a Roundtable session on how nonprofits can use Facebook to broadcast

I can see that I'm going to have to post some basic security/privacy
recommendations again.  But in the interim, here's the short version:

Facebook is what you do to your enemies, not your allies.

---rsk

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