Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: economic cost of lost emails.

2014-08-26 Thread J.M. Porup
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014, at 16:05, Juan Batiz-Benet wrote:
 Hey guys, I'm adding myself to this list (I was in class of 2010 (CS) --
 wow i'm old...)
 
 Natanael, Jens, very glad to see you raising these concerns. I see the
 burning of the library as the worst tragedy to befall humanity yet... and
 that's a big statement made with clear understanding of genocides,
 epidemics, etc. Sagan has a great telling of the story in Cosmos ep1. They
 are *exactly* what drove me to make IPFS and Filecoin.  (which, funnily,
 are precisely in that design line of thinking Natanael ;) )
 
 Anyway, please see these links. More discussion later
 
 - IPFS: ipfs.io (see the talk at 2x) and http://static.benet.ai/t/ipfs.pdf
 - Filecoin filecoin.io (see the whitepaper there)
 
 And, if you believe in the same things I do, help build this. I'm hiring,
 so reach out.
 
 Juan

Interesting. Is the goal to create a DAC (Distributed Autonomous Corporation)?

References:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2014/01/computer-corporations [*]

http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/01/storj-and-bitcoin-autonomous-agents.html

[*] Full disclosure: I wrote this article.

Jens

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Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: economic cost of lost emails.

2014-08-26 Thread Juan Batiz-Benet
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:43 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote:


 Interesting. Is the goal to create a DAC (Distributed Autonomous
 Corporation)?

 References:

 http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2014/01/computer-corporations [*]


 http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/01/storj-and-bitcoin-autonomous-agents.html

 [*] Full disclosure: I wrote this article.

 Jens


Not exactly.

I'm really interested in getting us closer to supporting DAC/DAOs, but I
don't think we're ready yet. I think the first digital organisms that will
live on the internet will be (are) much simpler. In fact, one of the
early conversations I had around IPFS/Filecoin is that purely
cryptocurrency-operated infrastructure (storage, bandwidth, and
computation) are necessary to get to truly autonomous agents living on the
internet.

For now, I'm building a plain old company focused on evolving internet
protocols. To be accurate, the Filecoin network and the organization
developing the Filecoin protocol + software are distinct, related
entities, so perhaps there's a proto-DAC there too.

Juan
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[liberationtech] Fwd: economic cost of lost emails.

2014-08-25 Thread Juan Batiz-Benet
Hey guys, I'm adding myself to this list (I was in class of 2010 (CS) --
wow i'm old...)

Natanael, Jens, very glad to see you raising these concerns. I see the
burning of the library as the worst tragedy to befall humanity yet... and
that's a big statement made with clear understanding of genocides,
epidemics, etc. Sagan has a great telling of the story in Cosmos ep1. They
are *exactly* what drove me to make IPFS and Filecoin.  (which, funnily,
are precisely in that design line of thinking Natanael ;) )

Anyway, please see these links. More discussion later

- IPFS: ipfs.io (see the talk at 2x) and http://static.benet.ai/t/ipfs.pdf
- Filecoin filecoin.io (see the whitepaper there)

And, if you believe in the same things I do, help build this. I'm hiring,
so reach out.

Juan



-- Forwarded message --
From: Juan Batiz-Benet j...@benet.ai
Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
To: Feross Aboukhadijeh fer...@feross.org


thanks for the heads up!! Adding myself to list.

Juan


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Feross Aboukhadijeh fer...@feross.org
wrote:

 Whoa, this guy on libtech just described IPFS! I'd give you a shoutout
 myself but I'm on mobile only, heading to burning man now. Get on that!

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *Natanael* natanae...@gmail.com
 Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014
 Subject: Re: [liberationtech] economic cost of lost emails.
 To: liberationtech liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu


 A blockchain of torrent magnet links, of archives of all kinds of data
 like everything public that Archive.org holds?
 Then you both have it all accessible and you can that verify everybody
 sees the same version.

 I've been thinking of a sci-fi story concept of archivers collecting and
 indexing absolutely everything that matters in a structured append-only
 database of sorts (side story, but necessary in my sci-fi world).
 Everything would be tagged and sorted and categorized and annotated. It
 would be like a P2P Git with more metadata and the ability to search with
 all sorts of filters, essentially an open Google/Wolfram Alpha given a
 smart enough endpoint, with a bit of IBM Watson. There would be plenty of
 separate projects all maintaining their own archives, of which some would
 be thoroughly vetted for authencity, and all updates ever would be signed
 by the contributors/archivers.

 Kind of Wikipedia actually, but with all sorts of filetypes and a full
 semantic web, with the hash chain structure of which Git and Bitcoin share
 to prove the history of the data, and digital signatures.

 It would already be possible to build today (it doesn't need any new
 exotic algorithms or other inventions), but designing it can be incredibly
 hard considering you'd have to figure out a standard way to handle
 cross-referencing and annotation across all kinds of filetypes, and that
 you need to define a data structure that won't need to be replaced every
 few months because of frequently discovered limitations.

 - Sent from my phone
 Den 24 aug 2014 21:40 skrev J.M. Porup j...@porup.com:

 On Sun, Aug 24, 2014, at 15:19, taltman wrote:
  I don't know exactly what is meant by eventuality of digital book
  burning, but here's my opinion on the nuts and bolts of protecting your
  data:

 I believe we are approaching a Library of Alexandria moment. We have
 created an Information Age in which nothing is secure, and deleting
 unwanted information (thought crime) is trivial. Furthermore, infotech
 has redistributed power from the people to the government. It would be
 naive to expect this power to go unabused. Totalitarianism is in
 the wind.

 If we really want a permanent archive of humanity's work, we
 need to build some kind of distributed Noah's Ark. Archive.org is
 no good (book depositories are the first to go when the book-burning
 starts), and asking the book-burners at the NSA and GCHQ to guard
 our civilization's store of knowledge is laughable on its face.

 Something P2P, maybe blockchain-based, might work. Convincing people
 of the reality and urgency of the threat is another matter.

 Jens

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