[liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers"

2013-01-04 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
I would like to share this truly fascinating article:
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/31/north_korea_cracks_down_on_knowledge_smugglers/

From the article: “We must extend the fight against the enemy’s
ideological and cultural infiltration,” Kim said in an October speech
at the headquarters of his immensely powerful internal security
service. Kim, who became North Korea’s supreme leader after the death
of his father a year ago, called upon his vast security network to
“ruthlessly crush those hostile elements.”

Seeing this idea of "knowledge smugglers" accepted so openly by the
North Korean government really justifies a private train of thought
I've been considering for a year.

I think no matter how hard we try, we keep underestimating just how
powerful culture can be in determining foreign politics — and just how
important the television and radio were, and the Internet is now, in
communicating this culture. This, of course, is likely why so many
political entities are interested in liberation technology.

This is amazing stuff and I hope you'll read the article.

NK
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Re: [liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers"

2013-01-04 Thread Larry Diamond
Thanks, Nadim. I could not agree more. As the article explains, the North 
Korean regime is facing an existential crisis because the pillar of their 
stability through so much misery has been an absolute monopoly of information. 
That has been decaying for several years and now it is really starting to 
crumble. If they seek to modernize, liberation technology will accelerate the 
shocking realization that North Korea is not the richest country on earth, but 
one of the most oppressed. If the regime clings to isolation, libtech will 
filter in anyway. I think the regime is probably in its last decade. 


LD 

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From: "Nadim Kobeissi"  
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Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 12:56:14 PM 
Subject: [liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers" 

I would like to share this truly fascinating article: 
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/31/north_korea_cracks_down_on_knowledge_smugglers/ 

>From the article: “We must extend the fight against the enemy’s 
ideological and cultural infiltration,” Kim said in an October speech 
at the headquarters of his immensely powerful internal security 
service. Kim, who became North Korea’s supreme leader after the death 
of his father a year ago, called upon his vast security network to 
“ruthlessly crush those hostile elements.” 

Seeing this idea of "knowledge smugglers" accepted so openly by the 
North Korean government really justifies a private train of thought 
I've been considering for a year. 

I think no matter how hard we try, we keep underestimating just how 
powerful culture can be in determining foreign politics — and just how 
important the television and radio were, and the Internet is now, in 
communicating this culture. This, of course, is likely why so many 
political entities are interested in liberation technology. 

This is amazing stuff and I hope you'll read the article. 

NK 
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Re: [liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers"

2013-01-05 Thread Andreas Bader
On 01/04/2013 09:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> I would like to share this truly fascinating article:
> http://www.salon.com/2012/12/31/north_korea_cracks_down_on_knowledge_smugglers/
>
> From the article: “We must extend the fight against the enemy’s
> ideological and cultural infiltration,” Kim said in an October speech
> at the headquarters of his immensely powerful internal security
> service. Kim, who became North Korea’s supreme leader after the death
> of his father a year ago, called upon his vast security network to
> “ruthlessly crush those hostile elements.”
>
> Seeing this idea of "knowledge smugglers" accepted so openly by the
> North Korean government really justifies a private train of thought
> I've been considering for a year.
>
> I think no matter how hard we try, we keep underestimating just how
> powerful culture can be in determining foreign politics — and just how
> important the television and radio were, and the Internet is now, in
> communicating this culture. This, of course, is likely why so many
> political entities are interested in liberation technology.
>
> This is amazing stuff and I hope you'll read the article.
>
> NK
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Maybe the time of radiocommunication will come in North Korea?
Including radio encryption methodes like enigma in the 3rd Reich.
Good to know that the North Korean military can't decode cyphers like
that as long as the rest of the world doesn't sell their knowledge.. =)
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Re: [liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers"

2013-01-05 Thread Adrian Hong
There is more nuance to this than the Salon piece allows for.

North Koreans today know they are not the richest country, and know a great
deal more about the outside world than before. They do not need comparisons
to know they are oppressed.

LibTech that permits them to organize and communicate will be far more
transformational than these DVDs & dramas, as important as they have been.

On Jan 5, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Larry Diamond  wrote:

Thanks, Nadim.  I could not agree more.  As the article explains, the North
Korean regime is facing an existential crisis because the pillar of their
stability through so much misery has been an absolute monopoly of
information.  That has been decaying for several years and now it is really
starting to crumble.  If they seek to modernize, liberation technology will
accelerate the shocking realization that North Korea is not the richest
country on earth, but one of the most oppressed.  If the regime clings to
isolation, libtech will filter in anyway.  I think the regime is probably
in its last decade.

LD

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*From: *"Nadim Kobeissi" 
*To: *liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu
*Sent: *Friday, January 4, 2013 12:56:14 PM
*Subject: *[liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers"

I would like to share this truly fascinating article:
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/31/north_korea_cracks_down_on_knowledge_smugglers/

>From the article: “We must extend the fight against the enemy’s
ideological and cultural infiltration,” Kim said in an October speech
at the headquarters of his immensely powerful internal security
service. Kim, who became North Korea’s supreme leader after the death
of his father a year ago, called upon his vast security network to
“ruthlessly crush those hostile elements.”

Seeing this idea of "knowledge smugglers" accepted so openly by the
North Korean government really justifies a private train of thought
I've been considering for a year.

I think no matter how hard we try, we keep underestimating just how
powerful culture can be in determining foreign politics — and just how
important the television and radio were, and the Internet is now, in
communicating this culture. This, of course, is likely why so many
political entities are interested in liberation technology.

This is amazing stuff and I hope you'll read the article.

NK
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Re: [liberationtech] North Korea Cracks Down "Knowledge Smugglers"

2013-01-05 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013, Andreas Bader wrote:

> On 01/04/2013 09:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> I would like to share this truly fascinating article:
> http://www.salon.com/2012/12/31/north_korea_cracks_down_on_knowledge_smugglers/
>
> From the article: "We must extend the fight against the enemy's
> ideological and cultural infiltration," Kim said in an October speech
> at the headquarters of his immensely powerful internal security
> service. Kim, who became North Korea's supreme leader after the death
> of his father a year ago, called upon his vast security network to
> "ruthlessly crush those hostile elements."
>
> Seeing this idea of "knowledge smugglers" accepted so openly by the
> North Korean government really justifies a private train of thought
> I've been considering for a year.
>
> I think no matter how hard we try, we keep underestimating just how
> powerful culture can be in determining foreign politics -- and just how
> important the television and radio were, and the Internet is now, in
> communicating this culture. This, of course, is likely why so many
> political entities are interested in liberation technology.
>
> This is amazing stuff and I hope you'll read the article.

The article is quite interesting indeed. This reminded me of one story 
which happened some 30 years ago. Translation is a bit crappy but I hope 
you can make some sense of it:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fm.onet.pl%2Fwiadomosci%2Cmex2t

My first post here, so hello. I am interested in ways technology interacts 
with various aspects of life, both small and large scale.

Regards,
Tomasz Rola

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