Re: [liberationtech] Question about Windows 10
Dear Peter, You do still have the possibility to use two different systems, e.g. Linux/OSX for important data and Windows for the rest. If this is no solution for you then you can just stay with Windows 8; ignore the "feeling" that you need to upgrade. "Never change a running system." Kinds, Andreas On 24.06.2016 07:31, Peter Chin wrote: > Hello folks, > > I need some advice about upgrading to Windows 10. My laptop is running > Windows 8 and I need to do the free upgrade to Win 10 because I have a lot of > applications that run on Windows and I feel it is time to upgrade to the > newest Windows O.S. But I really don't want my personal data collected in > Windows 10 either. > > I recently read that Microsoft could be releasing data controls that actually > allow privacy > (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/11/microsoft-promises-to-implement-full-windows-10-data-tracking-controls/) > but I'm not holding my breath. If I upgrade to Windows 10, what can I do to > control personal privacy? I heard that the Enterprise version of Windows 10 > would let me have more privacy and not collect my data. > > How are you all dealing with upgrading to Windows 10 so that you can still > control your own personal data? Thanks for your thoughts. > > > Peter Chin > (in Vancouver, Canada) > > > > > -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Question about Windows 10
Hey y'all, I was originally going to only reply to Peter's question about how to wrest some control back from M$, but this might be something that others aren't aware exists and could make use of. If one must run Windows then I'd advise them to seriously consider running the Tron Script to cut down on some of the shady stuff that Windows does with your data. Link to Tron Script subreddit where you can find the latest download link https://www.reddit.com/r/TronScript/ Link to list of what the Tron Script does https://github.com/bmrf/tron/blob/master/README.md#full-tron-description I hope this is able to help some folks out. On 06/24/2016 01:31 AM, Peter Chin wrote: > > Hello folks, > > I need some advice about upgrading to Windows 10. My laptop is running > Windows 8 and I need to do the free upgrade to Win 10 because I have a > lot of applications that run on Windows and I feel it is time to upgrade > to the newest Windows O.S. But I really don't want my personal data > collected in Windows 10 either. > > I recently read that Microsoft could be releasing data controls that > actually allow privacy > (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/11/microsoft-promises-to-implement-full-windows-10-data-tracking-controls/) > but I'm not holding my breath. If I upgrade to Windows 10, what can I do > to control personal privacy? I heard that the Enterprise version of > Windows 10 would let me have more privacy and not collect my data. > > How are you all dealing with upgrading to Windows 10 so that you can > still control your own personal data? Thanks for your thoughts. > > > Peter Chin > (in Vancouver, Canada) > > > > -- John M. Ostrander j...@crackroot.org "Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not." Protagoras -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Question about Windows 10
TL;DR: Debian, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, etc are perfectly capable alternatives, and that likely includes your "list of windows applications you need to run". On 06/24/2016 01:31 AM, Peter Chin wrote: > I need some advice about upgrading to Windows 10. My laptop is > running Windows 8 and I need to do the free upgrade to Win 10 because > I have a lot of applications that run on Windows and I feel it is You don't really *need* to upgrade to Win10, you're likely just getting worn down by the continued nagging to have you upgrade to it because you're being told you'd lose out if you don't. Win8 will receive at least another 6-7 years of updates (security and regular) so it's not like you will miss out on security. While I can't vouch for the quality, trustworthiness or genuineness of it, there is a "Never10" tool that disables the incessant haranguing to get you to upgrade to the latest Windows. (https://www.grc.com/never10.htm - run a scan on it first!) Secondly, what exactly is this list of lots of apps that need to run on Windows? I always hear people complain about "I need to run App X or Y" but they never show me a list so that I can actually suggest alternatives. I dare to bet that half of them you don't really need (but hey, the customer's always right) and that the ones you /do/ need either a) have an open source equivalent that does exactly what you need or b) run perfectly fine on top of Wine (Windows emulator layer on Linux). A + B should cover roughly 90% of everything out there I think. > time to upgrade to the newest Windows O.S. But I really don't want my > personal data collected in Windows 10 either. Good luck with that... The new business model of the Windows group (and MSFT in general) is to collect everything and anything. (and yes, that includes what you type on your keyboard) I don't think they'll ditch that new model any time soon. > I recently read that Microsoft could be releasing data controls that > actually allow privacy > (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/11/microsoft-promises-to-implement-full-windows-10-data-tracking-controls/) > but I'm not holding my breath. If I upgrade to Windows 10, what can I > do to control personal privacy? I heard that the Enterprise version > of Windows 10 would let me have more privacy and not collect my > data. I wouldn't hold my breath but I'll wait & see how much of these promises they'll actually fulfil and how far these implementations go before making any bets on it. But my magic 8-ball says "outlook not so good". Regarding the enterprise edition: Although I'm not 100% sure, you'll likely have to set up and run an Active Directory domain and define a policy on it that does not allow the sending of the 'collected telemetry' information in order to actually not have your data siphoned over to Redmond. > How are you all dealing with upgrading to Windows 10 so that you can > still control your own personal data? Thanks for your thoughts. There are two parts to your question: "How are you all dealing with upgrading to Windows 10": I advise all my clients to avoid it. I only have one who didn't take that advice and now that one is complaining about it to me. "so that you can still control your own personal data": I tell all my clients that with Windows, they *will* lose that control. All of that being said: you're already on Windows 8 and many of these 'telemetry collection' pieces have already been back-ported to it and pushed onto you via Windows Update, so there's that. But I do seem to recall some tool called Aegis-Voat or something which disabled a large amount of 'outreach' from Win7/8/10 machines to Redmond by (among things) messing around with routing tables on your local machine (because the IPs are hard coded in Windows, the telemetry collection for the most part doesn't use DNS nor your hosts file). That is something you might want to investigate. Unfortunately it is no longer maintained (https://github.com/th3power/aegis-voat) and its approach was reactionary instead of proactive, so you'd have to keep monitoring and updating your blocking periodically. In fairness, if you stick with Windows, you really don't have a choice in whether or not your personal data is collected. It will be collected, stored & processed and in the near future, I expect windows to start complaining in big red alarm-fonts and warning-signs if it detects that it cannot send it over to Redmond because you've put preventative measures in place. All in all: switch to Linux! Give me a shout if you want to work on the list of 'windows apps you need to run'. -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
[liberationtech] Question about Windows 10
Hello folks, I need some advice about upgrading to Windows 10. My laptop is running Windows 8 and I need to do the free upgrade to Win 10 because I have a lot of applications that run on Windows and I feel it is time to upgrade to the newest Windows O.S. But I really don't want my personal data collected in Windows 10 either. I recently read that Microsoft could be releasing data controls that actually allow privacy (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/02/11/microsoft-promises-to-implement-full-windows-10-data-tracking-controls/) but I'm not holding my breath. If I upgrade to Windows 10, what can I do to control personal privacy? I heard that the Enterprise version of Windows 10 would let me have more privacy and not collect my data. How are you all dealing with upgrading to Windows 10 so that you can still control your own personal data? Thanks for your thoughts. Peter Chin (in Vancouver, Canada) -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
