Re: [Libreoffice] MSO binary formats
Kohei Yoshida wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 09:33 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: Found an interesting link in users mailing list. Doing some research I came across [1]. Yes. It's been there for at least several years. This is old news, in fact. At first glance this would seem to permit anyone to use the Microsoft binary formats without any problem. For any legal types, is this in fact true? If so to the developers how much work would be involved to bring LibreOffice in line with the published formats? Having the file format spec available alone doesn't magically implement all sorts of missing core features that are needed to inter-operate with MS Office. In fact, the hardest part is not dealing with the file format, but to implement the core features that are required to preserve data stored in the file format to improve round-tripping with MS Office. Case in point, we were just discussing earlier about Smart art functionality. How the smart art data are stored in the file format is well documented and is available publicly, but we still can't inter-operate this feature because we lack this functionality in the core. Kohei Thanks for the reply, Kohei. No being a programmer this what I was looking for. I realise that it is easy to sit on the sidelines, so to speak, and complain about things. I am only trying to understand the overall picture so that I know why things work or do not work. Your explanation is understandable and easy to pass on. Thanks again, Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] MSO binary formats
Found an interesting link in users mailing list. Doing some research I came across [1]. At first glance this would seem to permit anyone to use the Microsoft binary formats without any problem. For any legal types, is this in fact true? If so to the developers how much work would be involved to bring LibreOffice in line with the published formats? [2] is an entry way to the specifications. [1] http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx [2] http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/officebinaryformats.mspx Interested minds what to know. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] First-time build fails
Joe Hillenbrand wrote: Like I said, "make" works. I tried "make 2>&1 | tee build.log", but "make dev-install" still fails with the name errors. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Andy Brown mailto:a...@the-martin-byrd.net>> wrote: All I know is that not running it caused me problems and running it fixed the problem. Maybe on of the devs can give you more insight than I can. Sorry for jumping in. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] First-time build fails
Joe Hillenbrand wrote: So you think build1.log is the missing file? Not the log file but the other part. Last weekend I did a clean build and forgot to run that step, the full process is at [1], and got the same error when I tried to do the "make dev-install". I got pointed to [1] when I joined the dev list and wanted to build for my own use. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build Another suggestion is that when replying to messages in the dev list is to use "Reply all" to keep the thread in the list. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] First-time build fails
Hi Joe, Joe Hillenbrand wrote: Hi all, I am trying to build libo from git source for the first time, so that I can apply to GSoC. I am able to "make" just fine, but when I try to "make dev-install" it fails (please see the errors at the end of the email). Please pardon my ignorance, -Joe Hillenbrand Did you run "make 2>&1 | tee build1.log" before trying to run "make dev-install"? Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] 118.11 Length Limit
On Fri Feb 04 2011 18:21:03 GMT-0800 (PST) ad...@unserv.net wrote: Thats my question I am not sure where, but I could look at it and see. First things first. When replying to messages here you need to hit "Reply all" or reply to the mailing list. Hitting just "Reply" only sends the message to the poster and others that can help miss the message. Next do you have the current source code? See [1] on how to setup and download the source code. I will have to let Michael or one of the other devs give the details on how to submit patches as I just hang out watching the action. :) [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Native_Build Once you have the source setup look through the 'drawinglayer' folder and see if you find what your looking for. HTH Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] 118.11 Length Limit
On Fri Feb 04 2011 18:03:59 GMT-0800 (PST) ad...@unserv.net wrote: Libre and Open Office both have the document Length limit in Draw set at 118.11". Is there a way I can hack it to be as long as I want? It is open source so you and do what every you wish. Where it gets added back to the main code is a different matter, but you can try. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] What happened to Calc
On Wed Jan 19 2011 17:23:39 GMT-0800 (PST) Andrea Pescetti wrote: Andy Brown wrote: The RC3 release of Calc does not copy a sheet... What can be done to correct this? This was due to new code imported from OpenOffice.org 3.3-RC9 and it has been fixed by essentially reverting to OpenOffice.org 3.3-RC8, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-January/005835.html for details. Anyway, this is fixed for LibreOffice 3.3 now (it is fixed in OpenOffice.org 3.3-RC10 too, although in a different way). Regards, Andrea. Thanks for the reply. Good to hear that it is corrected. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] What happened to Calc
The RC3 release of Calc does not copy a sheet. When you click on the tab and select Move/Copy Sheet the dialog opens. Select Copy and click OK. The dialog closes and a blank Gray sheet without any data or grid lines. What can be done to correct this? TIA Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] request to join the mailing list
On Wed Jan 19 2011 10:52:26 GMT-0800 (PST) Bjorn Madsen wrote: Kind Regards, Bjorn Madsen http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice and sign up, if you have not done so and your in. HTH ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Build install for DEBS
On Fri Jan 14 2011 23:16:21 GMT-0800 (PST) Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Icecream allows you to spread the compile across multiple machines. Thanks for the information. Icecream will do me no good as my main machine is the only one that has the processing power to do the compiling. What I really need to find out is how to make an install package, deb, so that I can put what I have on another machine for testing and use. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Build install for DEBS
On Fri Jan 14 2011 01:03:13 GMT-0800 (PST) Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Andy, On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 19:24 -0800, Andy Brown wrote: I have been able to download and build the main branch for LibO. Could some kind soul tell me how, or point me to a wiki page, to build the deb packages so that I can install on another Ubuntu machine? Great news :-) if you have lots of Linux machines, I hope you're using icecream to harness that build horsepower for faster parallel builds. I only have two Linux machines. One is quite a bit aged. I have no idea what icecream is but will look it up and see if it will work. Anyhow - LibreOffice is quite an unusual package; a developer install is entirely re-locatable; so if you have run: ooinstall you should be able to just copy that directory to another location or another machine, and it should just work :-) [ assuming you compiled on the oldest (version wise) distribution ]. I will try that. Of course; clean, distro packaging is a different matter, best to poke Rene or Doko about that. HTH, Michael. Maybe they will see this and drop me a note. Greatly, Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Build install for DEBS
Hi all, I have been able to download and build the main branch for LibO. Could some kind soul tell me how, or point me to a wiki page, to build the deb packages so that I can install on another Ubuntu machine? TIA Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [libreoffice-design] Change application background [was: How to contribute ?]
On Fri Jan 07 2011 17:05:02 GMT-0800 (PST) Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Rahul, all, Rahul Prasad schrieb: [..] * I was thinking of a nice background instead of a static colour. You can find some of my design here http://rahulprasad.com/public/libreOffice/writer/ Although design is not very appealing, but I am sure people will come come up with better design.* This idea has already been presented some time ago in the OOo UX project, but has not been implemented by now (AFAIK). I can't find the proposal right now, but I'm quite sure, Christoph knows where to find it. As our structure is different from the OOo project, it is much more likely that your ideas might become implemented. What you need is a developer interested in adding a "choose background color/image"-feature to the product. I'm forwarding this mail to the developer list, CC'ing you, so you should get their replies even if you didn't subscribe to this list via http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice I don't know if this feature is easy or hard to implement, but perhaps it can be added to the list of "easy hacks": http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks ... where developer can pick it. Best regards Bernhard As long as the background is an option I would have no problem with it. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Strange sorting of top level menu
On Thu Jan 06 2011 10:33:05 GMT-0800 (PST) leif wrote: When I see the Startcenter I see the Insert to the most right position and not as expected between View and Tools. This occurs only when the start center is visible. When I start or open a document the position is correct. Screendump: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LroFAuzV1Wmj04_1mY8cIQ?feat=directlink Using Ubuntu Linux. I just changed from manual installation to http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu . I'm not sure that the problem was before. Tomorrow I will check with my computer at work if it occurs consequent. Cheers, Leif Lodahl Danish Team I has to be something that is being added by Ubuntu. Here using the LibO download there is no "Insert" on the Startcenter, see attached. <>___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] EasyHacks 3.27 Change Sheet copy process
Hi All. Once again I wish to thank Joost for taking on this project. I also wish to thank Kohei for his work and assistance after the fact so that I could get at look at the results. I am quite happy with what I see and the way the process works. I have uploaded a pdf of screen shots at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5215855/c-m-process.pdf that shows the use and explain the process. Since I am not a developer nor UI expert I will have to leave the other discussions to those more qualified. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [UX] [PATCH] EasyHacks 3.27 Change Sheet copy process
On Tue Dec 21 2010 14:18:01 GMT-0800 (PST) Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Kohei, hi Joost, hi dev list members! Bur first, a basic question: Did the change address a small (but important) issue, or is the change part of some broader attempt? I ask, because the dialog is rather old and contains some other issues (like the old vertical OK/Cancel/Help design). I think I cam answer this, The idea was a simple one step process to copy & rename a sheet. The sheets are copied to a name with the current sheet name + _# . In some instances this is no problem in others the user has to manually rename the sheet. I know it is only a couple of click but every movement of the mouse or keyboard counts. My idea was to simply allow the user to rename the sheet at the same time as the copy to save some time. When I brought the idea up I was ask to add it to the easy hacks page. The devs here took the idea and seem to have made it work. As a user I appreciate when a programmer thinks an idea is worth their time and look forward to seeing it in action. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Better wording for 'Update links' question
On Tue Dec 21 2010 09:09:00 GMT-0800 (PST) Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32548 The bug says: when I open a certain .odp document, I get a pop-up question asking "Update all links? Yes/No" Anybody who knows this functionality, can you please provide a better wording? ;-) Just post it here, I'll integrate it. Thank you a lot, Kendy Without the document in question it is hard to say. But the message is used to indicate that there are external links within the document and ask if the user wishes to update these links. This is seen more in Calc than Writer but if you have graphics or the like that are linked in then this would happen. I am not sure how it could be made much plainer unless it is changed to something like "The document uses external links, do you wish this links updated?" Personally I see no problem with the way it is. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] [PUSHED] EasyHacks 3.27 Change Sheet copy process
On Mon Dec 13 2010 20:53:22 GMT-0800 (PST) Kohei Yoshida wrote: Hi Joost, On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 12:19 +0100, Joost Eekhoorn wrote: Hereby additional patch with: * Check on pName is NULL. * Showing original sheet name in input box, when Rename option is checked. Not implemented: OrgName_#. Ok. I've finished my review & followup work to give it a little more polish, and finally pushed it to master. What I did was polish up the dialog a bit, and properly supported undo and redo. I now consider this functionality to be in pretty good shape. Thanks for the patch, Joost. I look forward to receiving even more patches from you in the future. :-) Kohei I would like to thank you guys. This will be great. :) Any idea when we will see it in action? Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] EasyHacks 3.27 Change Sheet copy process
On Sat Dec 11 2010 13:54:38 GMT-0800 (PST) Joost Eekhoorn wrote: Hi Kohei, > * I think it would be more user-friendly if the Rename input box > showed the default sheet name. When moving a sheet, this would be > the original sheet name, while when copying a sheet it would be the > original name followed by '_' + (e.g. Sheet1 -> Sheet1_1). An empty imput box is logical to me, because the Rename dialog shows also an empty in input box. But if you want, I can try to impement it. It is not in this patch, because it more difficult than it sounds. The default name depends on the document where the copy is going to, if it is the same document or another document. The default for RC1 is to use the default sheet name when selecting Rename from the context menu, see attached. Personally I would prefer to follow this for the new setup. Thanks again for taking this on. Andy <>___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] EasyHacks 3.27 Change Sheet copy process
On Fri Dec 10 2010 11:56:32 GMT-0800 (PST) Joost Eekhoorn wrote: Hi, Please review if this patch is realy correct and complete. - 'Rename input box' is only visible when 'Rename check box' is checked. - Rename is only done when 'Rename check box' is checked and 'Rename input box' has a string. - Rename works for copied and moved sheets. - Rename works when the target is the same document, a new document or a other existing document. I did not know how test the automation part in source/ui/view/viewfun2.cxx And check if String() in correct in ExecuteDrop() in sc/source/ui/view/tabcont.cxx What must I did with move-copy-sheet.xml (on 2 places!). Must the help be adapted? How/where must that be done? Joost Joost, I can not test the patch but I do want to thank you for doing this. :) Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tab rename in Calc
On Mon Nov 15 2010 10:17:08 GMT-0800 (PST) Andy Brown wrote: On Mon Nov 15 2010 07:55:27 GMT-0800 (PST) Michael Meeks wrote: Personally I'm fine with that idea - of course, it is neater to have a "New sheet name" entry inside the Move/Copy sheet dialog I think; that is an easy enough hack. It would be great if you could add it to the 'Easy Hacks' section in the "Easy Programming Tasks" section - with a clear spec of what needs doing; it would be even better if you took the task on :-) working with VCL's resources there is quite a pain - and it'll increase the interest in Ricardo's new layout work I think. Kohei - if you object strongly - would be good to remove the Easy Hack / discuss :-) HTH, Michael. Michael, I will get it a shot at adding this to the Easy Hack wiki. Andy Michael, Got the item added to the wiki, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#Change_Sheet_copy_process , not sure what else to add so please have a look and add what is needed. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tab rename in Calc
On Mon Nov 15 2010 08:07:28 GMT-0800 (PST) Kohei Yoshida wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 15:55 +, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Andy, On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 07:17 -0800, Andy Brown wrote: You are quite correct. I made the mistake by saying copy instead of move/copy. Currently if you right click and select move/copy sheet then click the copy box the sheet is renamed with a .# (.1,.2,.3 and so on). You then have to right click Rename or double click to change the name. Having the rename dialog open, even with the suggested .# name would save a couple of clicks. I have several spreadsheets that are updated at least monthly. I use the move/copy use the tab name as the date is was updated and having the rename dialog open would be great. Personally I'm fine with that idea - of course, it is neater to have a "New sheet name" entry inside the Move/Copy sheet dialog I think; that is an easy enough hack. Yes, that was my initial thought too. I prefer this to launching another modal dialog when dismissing the first modal dialog. Works for me. Save time in the process. It would be great if you could add it to the 'Easy Hacks' section in the "Easy Programming Tasks" section - with a clear spec of what needs doing; it would be even better if you took the task on :-) working with VCL's resources there is quite a pain - and it'll increase the interest in Ricardo's new layout work I think. Kohei - if you object strongly - would be good to remove the Easy Hack / discuss :-) Well, the only complication would be that calc also allows copying of multiple sheets when multiple sheets are selected, in which case we would need more than one sheet name input box. We need to decide how we need to handle this before going further. IMO this scenario somewhat complicates the matter, and I don't have a good solution to offer here, unfortunately. Kohei I had not though of this but your correct some planning needs to go into this. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Tab rename in Calc
On Mon Nov 15 2010 07:55:27 GMT-0800 (PST) Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Andy, On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 07:17 -0800, Andy Brown wrote: You are quite correct. I made the mistake by saying copy instead of move/copy. Currently if you right click and select move/copy sheet then click the copy box the sheet is renamed with a .# (.1,.2,.3 and so on). You then have to right click Rename or double click to change the name. Having the rename dialog open, even with the suggested .# name would save a couple of clicks. I have several spreadsheets that are updated at least monthly. I use the move/copy use the tab name as the date is was updated and having the rename dialog open would be great. Personally I'm fine with that idea - of course, it is neater to have a "New sheet name" entry inside the Move/Copy sheet dialog I think; that is an easy enough hack. It would be great if you could add it to the 'Easy Hacks' section in the "Easy Programming Tasks" section - with a clear spec of what needs doing; it would be even better if you took the task on :-) working with VCL's resources there is quite a pain - and it'll increase the interest in Ricardo's new layout work I think. Kohei - if you object strongly - would be good to remove the Easy Hack / discuss :-) HTH, Michael. Michael, I will get it a shot at adding this to the Easy Hack wiki. Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] logos..?
On Sun Nov 14 2010 00:45:43 GMT-0800 (PST) Sebastien Delvaux wrote: So, i heard you needed some logos (program, wiki?), i am not sure if i well understood but anyways... i would need a few snapshots of the app, i also think i heard you need a linux style penguin, i'll see what i can do. S. Delvaux Sebas IDesign */Programming & Graphics/* Goto http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ and look for the Marketing mailing list. Also have a look at the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing on the right look for the Branding Guidelines and Ideas. HTH ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Tab rename in Calc
I would like to make a request for Calc. When a 'sheet' is copied, why not have the rename box open like the double click? Thanks Andy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] UX opportunity ... / Easy Hacks
On Wed Nov 10 2010 07:25:42 GMT-0800 (PST) Joop Kiefte wrote: 2010/11/10 Michel RENON : - add a menu "Save a copy as..." Isn't that the same as the "Export" menu? it's very similar, but not the same : in Calc, you can export only in xhtml or pdf, and "save as" allows ods, sxw, xls, csv... As far as I understand, Export is for non-reversable saving. All items from the "Save as" list are readable. Maybe a good idea to make this a bit more monkey-proof... Jumping in for a bit. There is an extension that allows saving in several formats at once, http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/multi-save , maybe this is something that could be adapted to have a "save copy as" choice on the file menu. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] UX opportunity ... / Easy Hacks
On Wed Nov 10 2010 07:25:42 GMT-0800 (PST) Joop Kiefte wrote: 2010/11/10 Michel RENON : - add a menu "Save a copy as..." Isn't that the same as the "Export" menu? it's very similar, but not the same : in Calc, you can export only in xhtml or pdf, and "save as" allows ods, sxw, xls, csv... As far as I understand, Export is for non-reversable saving. All items from the "Save as" list are readable. Maybe a good idea to make this a bit more monkey-proof... Jumping in for a bit. There is an extension that allows saving in several formats at once, http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/multi-save , maybe this is something that could be adapted to have a "save copy as" choice on the file menu. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
