Re: I need to set EUR / English for the Eurozone

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Morning,

Regional settings on windows is where they are usually managed. What operating 
system are you using?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  on behalf of Marc 

Sent: 25 October 2022 11:28
To: Dave Barton ; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 

Subject: RE: I need to set EUR / English for the Eurozone

> >>
> >>> Check new windows versions they have Europe / English / EUR
> >>
> >> Setting language to English(Ireland) will give you English/Euro.
> >
> >
> > Then I am stuck with converting all settings to metric.
>
> It's unclear why you think you have to convert to metric.
> The Republic of Ireland is an EU (Euro Zone) state that uses the metric
> system by default.
> You can set measurements to your own preferences regardless of the
> language used.

I already have a . as decimal separator so that does not work. I know these 
Microsoft designers are shit in many areas but the English/Europe is nice to 
have. Maybe there is even a definition published by the European union.
I just want to change one setting and do not have to check or worry about 
different date formating, sperators, timezones or what ever. I am not even in 
Ireland nor the UK. So there are two options, English/EU or English for every 
European country.

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

Clearly this shows that English must not be your native tongue. Some word in 
english have multiple meanings such as the word barking. it is another word for 
complaining.

Is there a reason why you dont complain to them to focus on their formats only?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: A 
Sent: 23 March 2022 08:12
To: Jonathan Aquilina 
Cc: Mike Kaganski ; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 

Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).



On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> wrote:
Amit,

Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they shoudl focus 
on their formats only?

Software will never be perfect there will always be room for improvement.

What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?

Regards,
Jonathan




You are again offending me by using the word "barking".

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Amit,

Why then dont you go barking to microsoft and tell them that they shoudl focus 
on their formats only?

Software will never be perfect there will always be room for improvement.

What are you finding missing or that LO isnt doing well?

Regards,
Jonathan

From: A 
Sent: 23 March 2022 08:03
To: Jonathan Aquilina 
Cc: Mike Kaganski ; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 

Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).



On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Jonathan Aquilina 
mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> wrote:
Hi Amit,

Firstly I apologize if i offended but rubbish is another way to say incorrect 
but again apologies there.

You mention that LO is not perfect, is there any software that is perfect? 
Lastly if you feel there are lots of shortcomings in LO why not give back to 
the community and help to improve it.

Regards,
Jonathan


Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for being nice.

I will definitely contribute in LO.

But I am still of the opinion that LO should do one thing only (either MS 
Office or ODF).

Regards,
Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

The question I ask you is what is lacking where it should require focusing on 
one format?

Again this is an open source project if you want to improve a certain aspect 
the ODF or MS Format support then by all means contribute.

Remember this is a community of volunteers.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  on behalf of A 

Sent: 23 March 2022 07:54
To: Mike Kaganski 
Cc: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).


On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Mike Kaganski 
mailto:mikekagan...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
On 23.03.2022 9:36, A wrote:
I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything which 
does not make sense.

LO official web page at

https://link.edgepilot.com/s/221d3be7/aHNuYcszb0CBpxljBt-eWg?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/#:~:text=LibreOffice%20is%20compatible%20with%20a,xls%2C%20
 
>.

says the following:

LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as 
Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt, .pptx) 
and Publisher.

But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software" 

So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?

I would argue that it was you who claimed that "You should have some respect 
for everyone" - and writing "you are just trying to prove your point by saying 
anything which does not make sense" looks funny in that context.

I have respect for you but this doesn't mean that I will not point out flaws in 
your argument.

Being respectful doesn't mean that I will accept your wrong arguments.

Also, I used decent words to point out flaws in your argument.

I didn't use offending words that "you are being stupid", etc.

By the way, my opinion is that LO should focus on only one thing because right 
now it is not very good in either MS Office compatibility nor in ODF

Why doesn't LO support ODF only? Why to touch MS Office at all?

Amit

Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

Firstly I apologize if i offended but rubbish is another way to say incorrect 
but again apologies there.

You mention that LO is not perfect, is there any software that is perfect? 
Lastly if you feel there are lots of shortcomings in LO why not give back to 
the community and help to improve it.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  on behalf of Mike 
Kaganski 
Sent: 23 March 2022 07:45
To: A 
Cc: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

On 23.03.2022 9:36, A wrote:
> I think that you are just trying to prove your point by saying anything
> which does not make sense.
>
> LO official web page at
>
> https://link.edgepilot.com/s/52b78844/y5qi346VH0WtXkzp_18zXw?u=https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/%23:%7E:text=LibreOffice%2520is%2520compatible%2520with%2520a%2Cxls%252C
> .
>
> says the following:
>
> LibreOffice is compatible with a wide range of document formats such as
> Microsoft® Word (.doc, .docx), Excel (.xls, .xlsx), PowerPoint (.ppt,
> .pptx) and Publisher.
>
> But you say that  LibreOffice is not "MS Office compatible software"
> 
>
> So, who is right? - you or LO official web page?

I would argue that it was you who claimed that "You should have some
respect for everyone" - and writing "you are just trying to prove your
point by saying anything which does not make sense" looks funny in that
context.

I would also argue that someone claiming some IT background ("Masters in
Computer Networking from NCSU, NC, USA") is expected to use terms
correctly, and understand the difference between compatibility with file
formats vs being "MS Office compatible" (which is much broader thing);
and especially so since the specific topic you are answering to was
"relying on their engineers doing all the work on designing the
principles, ways of use, everything that is put into the file formats
... would be simply not ethical towards MS" - so the question was
creating a clone of MS Office, using the *principles, ways of use, etc*
that stems from having a file format as native, not being able to read
from and write to.

But anyway, you got the feedback. If you "don't understand what is the
goal of LO", you better learn that - best by trying to be part of the
community for some time - before trying to revolutionize the community
that you are not part of.

--
Best regards,
Mike Kaganski

RE: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Amit,

What you are saying is totally rubbish. If you are not aware. Microsoft 365 
actually gives you the option when  you first open one of the apps to choose an 
ODF format or the proprietary microsoft ones.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of A
Sent: 23 March 2022 06:53
To: Michael Weghorn 
Cc: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: Hi (Formats supported by LibreOffice).


On Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Michael Weghorn 
mailto:m.wegh...@posteo.de>> wrote:
On 23/03/2022 06.23, Amit Amit wrote:
I was thinking that why does LibreOffice support document formats other than 
that of Microsoft Office?

You might be interested in Italo's FOSDEM talk:
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/d5a6d58b/MRfW1vDLoUaJmEsNknSqpA?u=https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/lotech_odfbetterthanooxml/


ODF might be better but not many people are using it and I don't think this is 
going to change because Microsoft Windows is on about 90% of all personal 
computer systems.

Almost all companies and almost all governments use Microsoft Office or 
compatible software.

Most of the people use Microsoft Office and compatible software so, in my 
opinion, LibreOffice should put all its resources in developing Microsoft 
Office compatible software only.

Regards,
Amit

RE: Download speed for git clone

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Good Morning,

The download speed you get would be limited by your internet connection.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of Yuri 
de Albuquerque
Sent: 22 August 2021 06:00
To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Download speed for git clone

Hello! I'm trying to build LibreOffice from source in order to learn how to 
contribute. I've managed to follow the instructions up to a certain point, but 
the clone command is taking way too long! The download speed never exceeds 90 
KBps on the "Receiving objects" part. What is the download speed supposed to 
be? I'm on a Windows 10 machine and my connection supports up to 30MBps 
download.

RE: Infra call on Tue, May 18 at 16:30 UTC

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Guilhem,

Can you provide me with an update as to the firewall side of things has 
something been started with nftables? I am asking as I will not be able attend 
to todays meeting due to some personal medical issues that I am dealing with.

Regards,
Jonathan


-Original Message-
From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Guilhem Moulin
Sent: 17 May 2021 00:59
To: webs...@global.libreoffice.org; proje...@global.libreoffice.org; 
libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: hostmas...@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Infra call on Tue, May 18 at 16:30 UTC

Hi there,

The next infra call will take place at `date -d "Tue, 18 May 2021 16:30 UTC"`
(18:30 Berlin time).

We'll meet at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/infra and write the minutes 
to https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/infra .  Agenda TBA.

See you there!
Cheers,
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RE: Infra call on Tue, Jan 19 at 17:30 UTC

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Guys,

I know after the last meeting I needed to look into nftables, Sadly I have not 
had a chance to do so as of yet. I also will not be able to attend the meeting 
tomorrow. When is the next meeting after this one please?

Regards,
Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Guilhem Moulin
Sent: 18 January 2021 02:30
To: webs...@global.libreoffice.org; proje...@global.libreoffice.org; 
libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: hostmas...@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Infra call on Tue, Jan 19 at 17:30 UTC

Hi there,

The next infra call will take place at `date -d "Tue, 19 Jan 2021 17:30 UTC"`
(18:30 Berlin time).

We'll meet at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/infra and write the minutes 
to https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/infra .  Agenda TBA.

See you there!
Cheers,
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RE: [libreoffice-website] RE: Infra call on Tue, Dec 15 at 17:30 UTC

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Brett,

Amended the agenda. See you all this evening.

Regards,
Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: Brett Cornwall  
Sent: 14 December 2020 08:19
To: webs...@global.libreoffice.org; Jonathan Aquilina 
; hostmas...@documentfoundation.org; 
webs...@global.libreoffice.org; proje...@global.libreoffice.org; 
libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] RE: Infra call on Tue, Dec 15 at 17:30 UTC



On December 13, 2020 10:01:45 PM PST, Jonathan Aquilina 
 wrote:
>Good Morning Guilhem,
>
>What do I need to do to add a quick discussion regarding DMARC to the 
>agenda please?

You can add it to the agenda on the pad at 
https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/infra :)
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RE: Infra call on Tue, Dec 15 at 17:30 UTC

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Good Morning Guilhem,

What do I need to do to add a quick discussion regarding DMARC to the agenda 
please?

Regards,
Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Guilhem Moulin
Sent: 14 December 2020 01:23
To: webs...@global.libreoffice.org; proje...@global.libreoffice.org; 
libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: hostmas...@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Infra call on Tue, Dec 15 at 17:30 UTC

Hi there,

The next infra call will take place at `date -d "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:30 UTC"`
(18:30 Berlin time).

We'll meet at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/infra and write the minutes 
to https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/infra .  Agenda TBA.

(Personally I've been on AFK for over half the time since the last call and 
don't have much to report, but probably others have something to say :-)

See you there!
Cheers,
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RE: Gmail marks it as spam

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Thanks Julian,

I will reach out to the infra team on this 😊.

Regards,
Jonathan

From: Julien Nabet 
Sent: 11 November 2020 12:50
To: Jonathan Aquilina ; Maarten Hoes 

Cc: libreoffice-dev 
Subject: Re: Gmail marks it as spam

On 11/11/2020 11:07, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

Hi Julian,



From an infra side of things who would be an ideal person to speak to or is 
there an infra mailing list we can take this discussion to?



Hello again,

I think you can try to ping someone on dev IRC or create a new thread so it'll 
be more visible.

About a contact, I've got in mind Guilhem Moulin 
(hostmaster[@]documentfoundation.org) from 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Infra/Services

Julien
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RE: Gmail marks it as spam

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Maarten,

SPF, DKIM and DMARC are also crucial email security measures as well that 
protect against email spoofing and more

Regards,
Jonathan

From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Maarten Hoes
Sent: 11 November 2020 12:45
To: Ilmari Lauhakangas 
Cc: libreoffice-dev 
Subject: Re: Gmail marks it as spam

Hi Ilmari,

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:32 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas 
mailto:ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org>> 
wrote:
Here is a bigger hammer for whitelisting addresses in gmail:
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-whitelist-a-sender-or-domain-in-gmail-1172106

Yeah, I guess there are things an individual can do to make sure that some 
email for them specifically does not end up in their spam folder. But what I am 
wondering is if this does not just happen 'to me only', but perhaps for a 
larger group like for example 'all people with a gmail account'. Because if 
that is the case, then I do not think you can realistically expect all current 
and future mailing list subscribers to perform this trick locally/individually.


- Maarten

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RE: Gmail marks it as spam

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Julian, 

>From an infra side of things who would be an ideal person to speak to or is 
>there an infra mailing list we can take this discussion to?

Regards,
Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: Julien Nabet  
Sent: 11 November 2020 09:06
To: Jonathan Aquilina ; Maarten Hoes 

Cc: libreoffice-dev 
Subject: Re: Gmail marks it as spam

Hello Jonathan,

I don't know at all.

Julien

On 11/11/2020 05:44, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> Hi Julian,
>
> Does libreoffice on the emails take advantage of SPF, DKIM, and DMARC?
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LibreOffice  On 
> Behalf Of Julien Nabet
> Sent: 10 November 2020 22:28
> To: Maarten Hoes 
> Cc: libreoffice-dev 
> Subject: Re: Gmail marks it as spam
>
> On 10/11/2020 21:21, Maarten Hoes wrote:
>> I'm not quite sure if this is anything anyone can do anything about, 
>> but I still feel like stating here:
>>
>> For quite a while now, all of the posts of you to the libreoffice dev 
>> mailing list gets put into my 'spam' folder by gmail/google. All of 
>> the posts to the same list by other people correctly go to my 'inbox'.
>> I keep marking the posts as 'not spam', but it does not seem to do 
>> any good.
>>
>> Again, I am fairly sure you cannot do anything about this, but I 
>> still feel I need to inform you that this is going on.
>>
> Hello Maarten,
>
> I suppose it's because of "yahoo.fr". Indeed, I can't do anything 
> about mail policy but don't worry I don't send regularly messages on 
> dev forum :-)
>
> When I open a thread, I check on
> http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Dev-f1639
> 786.html
> if I got feedback.
>
> About spam, Coverity messages go to my spam even if I unmark them as spam 
> each time.
>
> Julien
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RE: Gmail marks it as spam

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Julian,

Does libreoffice on the emails take advantage of SPF, DKIM, and DMARC?

Regards,
Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Julien Nabet
Sent: 10 November 2020 22:28
To: Maarten Hoes 
Cc: libreoffice-dev 
Subject: Re: Gmail marks it as spam

On 10/11/2020 21:21, Maarten Hoes wrote:
>
> I'm not quite sure if this is anything anyone can do anything about, 
> but I still feel like stating here:
>
> For quite a while now, all of the posts of you to the libreoffice dev 
> mailing list gets put into my 'spam' folder by gmail/google. All of 
> the posts to the same list by other people correctly go to my 'inbox'.
> I keep marking the posts as 'not spam', but it does not seem to do any 
> good.
>
> Again, I am fairly sure you cannot do anything about this, but I still 
> feel I need to inform you that this is going on.
>
Hello Maarten,

I suppose it's because of "yahoo.fr". Indeed, I can't do anything about mail 
policy but don't worry I don't send regularly messages on dev forum :-)

When I open a thread, I check on
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Dev-f1639786.html
if I got feedback.

About spam, Coverity messages go to my spam even if I unmark them as spam each 
time.

Julien

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Re: Impress Remote for IOS (conversion to 64 bits mandatory?)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Julian,

With what I know about ios 13 and mac osx 10.15 they are now fully 64bit. Are 
64bit versions of LO for both os's available in 64bit mode or not yet?

Regards,
Jonathan


On 08/11/2019, 11:46, "LibreOffice on behalf of julien2412" 
 
wrote:

Hello,

Following messages about Impress Remote for Android, I wanted to test
Impress Remote for IOS on a Ipad and had a message indicating that dev must
upgrade.
Searching a bit, it seems we must be convert the app to 64 bits.

Any thoughts here?

Julien



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RE: Android Beta (no Google Play)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Guys,

In order not to use google play you would need to download the APK from a 
reputable source, maybe something we can host on the LO website somewhere. And 
then just put it on your device memory card and navigate to the apk and install 
manually.

-Original Message-
From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Jean-Baptiste Faure
Sent: 06 November 2019 23:16
To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: Android Beta (no Google Play)

Le 06/11/2019 à 18:25, Tim Magee a écrit :
> Is there a way to download and install the LibreOffice Android Beta 
> without Google Play?
> 
> I prefer not to use Google Play because of its proprietary nature.

For the same reason, I use apkpure.com instead Google Play.

Best regards.
JBF

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Re: Android Libreoffice

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi that is what it seems Microsoft do with office apps. they are each their own 
installs.


From: LibreOffice  on behalf of 
Dennis Thornburgh 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 4:41 PM
To: Libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Android Libreoffice

Just read that a Google Play Store file size limit of 50mb is delaying the 
release of your product to Android community.

Why not breakout the suite into individual components like Calc or whatever?

Most of us only use part of the suite anyway.

Regards,

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Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Understood not sure if it’s tmpfs but I have everything on a single disk. I 
have a 4th gen i7 in this laptop but what I can’t understand is why even with 
ccache takes about 2 hrs to compile

Regards,
Jonathan Aquilina
Owner managing director

Phone (356) 20330099
Mobile (356) 79957942

Email sa...@eagleeyet.net

From: Wols Lists 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:09:54 PM
To: Jonathan Aquilina ; 
libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

On 29/09/19 11:26, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> Hi Wol,
>
> I have 16gb of ram. When I was on gentoo I was using 9gb of ram as a ramdisk 
> to help speed up compilation. You mention temp if its on the same disk aren’t 
> you going to have no gains in performance like that?
>
My reasoning was "it can't harm and might help". If /tmp is tmpfs then
it gets cleared out every boot. Saves wasting space. And
/var/tmp/portage was tmpfs for the same reason - if the system crashed
during an upgrade it would have caused a bit of a problem but otherwise
it's fine.

Where is your swap? Is that on the same disk - do you only have the one?
A tmpfs stores everything in memory - ram+virtual - so if it runs out of
ram it overflows into swap. I just wanted the space available if it was
needed.

Bear in mind also that if you make heavy use of tmpfs, then with gentoo
it probably never touches the hard drive - it's downloaded, exploded and
compiled in ram all the way. On Fedora, it'll be slower because it needs
to be pulled from disk by the compiler. And a ramdisk won't help because
you've got to copy it on to the disk ... :-)

I'd just trust linux to do the best with what's available, and don't
expect two very different distros to behave similarly.

Cheers,
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Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Wol,

I have 16gb of ram. When I was on gentoo I was using 9gb of ram as a ramdisk to 
help speed up compilation. You mention temp if its on the same disk aren’t you 
going to have no gains in performance like that?

Regards,
Jonathan


On 29/09/2019, 12:24, "LibreOffice on behalf of Wols Lists" 
 wrote:

On 27/09/19 14:28, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> I’m not sure it uses as much as it needs I have seen it max out at
> around 6.1gb I know on gentoo, ok that is a source based distribution, I
> had around 9gb of ram allocated as scratch space which greatly sped up
> compile times.

And are your compile options the same? In particular concerning parallel
compilation?

No, on linux it pulls absolutely everything it needs into cache
(assuming the ram is available) and runs it from there. I notice you
haven't said how much ram your system actually has ...

If you really want to do something of the sort, I guess it might be
using /tmp - is that set up as a tmpfs? Please note that the definition
of /tmp says the contents may be lost at any time, so setting it up as
tmpfs is a *sensible* thing to do. On the other hand, the contents of
/var/tmp are defined as surviving a reboot (for things like crash
recovery) so that should *not* be tmpfs.

I run gentoo, and have a lot of tmpfs defined, but that's so that if
something overflows available ram the compile doesn't need to care about
it - it'll use all the ram available IFF it needs it.

Cheers,
    Wol
    > 
> Regards,
> Jonathan Aquilina
> Owner managing director
> 
> Phone (356) 20330099
> Mobile (356) 79957942
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Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I’m not sure it uses as much as it needs I have seen it max out at around 6.1gb 
I know on gentoo, ok that is a source based distribution, I had around 9gb of 
ram allocated as scratch space which greatly sped up compile times.

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From: LibreOffice  on behalf of 
Ilmari Lauhakangas 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 3:08:30 PM
To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

I don't think you should be worried about this. The build uses as much
memory as it needs.

Ilmari

Jonathan Aquilina kirjoitti 27.9.2019 klo 14.44:
> I’m using fedora 30 with gcc 9.2.1
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Aquilina
> Owner managing director
>
> Phone (356) 20330099
> Mobile (356) 79957942
>
> Email sa...@eagleeyet.net
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> *From:* LibreOffice  on
> behalf of Ilmari Lauhakangas 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2019 1:43:44 PM
> *To:* libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
> *Subject:* Re: Ram disk Scratch Space
> Jonathan Aquilina kirjoitti 27.9.2019 klo 8.45:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Is there a way or plans to implement a way through autogen.sh where one
>> could potentially specify use of unused ram on ones laptop. I am
>> currently running a rebuild of master and the max I see is 6.10gb out of
>> 16 and I would like to allocate ram to help to speed up the build. Is
>> this something in the works or where would be the best place for me to
>> start looking into this?
>
> Which operating system and compiler are you using?
>
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Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I’m using fedora 30 with gcc 9.2.1

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From: LibreOffice  on behalf of 
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To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org 
Subject: Re: Ram disk Scratch Space

Jonathan Aquilina kirjoitti 27.9.2019 klo 8.45:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there a way or plans to implement a way through autogen.sh where one
> could potentially specify use of unused ram on ones laptop. I am
> currently running a rebuild of master and the max I see is 6.10gb out of
> 16 and I would like to allocate ram to help to speed up the build. Is
> this something in the works or where would be the best place for me to
> start looking into this?

Which operating system and compiler are you using?

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Ram disk Scratch Space

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Guys,

Is there a way or plans to implement a way through autogen.sh where one could 
potentially specify use of unused ram on ones laptop. I am currently running a 
rebuild of master and the max I see is 6.10gb out of 16 and I would like to 
allocate ram to help to speed up the build. Is this something in the works or 
where would be the best place for me to start looking into this?

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RE: Principle of least surprise

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi All,

Is it possible to hit ctrl+K to open the hyperlink window so you can clear the 
hyperlinks? If I am not mistaken that is how excel does it to allow you to add 
or remove hyperlinks.

-Original Message-
From: LibreOffice  On Behalf Of 
Kaganski Mike
Sent: 09 February 2019 08:31
To: gwid...@gmail.com; Wols Lists 
Cc: Piet van Oostrum ; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: Principle of least surprise

Hi!

Well - I tend to agree that having the hyperlinks malfunctional is not nice. 
*Possibly* the idea behind showing "hand" cursor over such URLs even without 
holding CTRL required for their activation could be to allow user an easy way 
to identify the links... but even then, showing cursor does not necessarily 
imply that clicking should give both no following the hyperlink, and no cell 
selection.

On 09.02.2019 6:23, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
> Moreover, I spent sometimes in the options dialog box (that just the 
> looks the same ms office did in 1996), searching for a way to disable 
> the "convert e-mail to hyperlink" behavior applcation wise, and could 
> not find any. (Which does not mean it is not there, just that it is 
> another broken point in the UI).

Heh, it looks like placing all controls for what changes input in one 
"AutoCorrect" dialog is indeed just another broken UI. We need better put it in 
many different places all over the application instead.

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Re: Change file_path LOOL

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi renato,

Are you running this on an Apache webserver with vhosts by any chance?

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> On 28 May 2018, at 14:03, Renato Ribeiro  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> When I launch the LOOL server I can use the link displayed to open a document 
> in a web browser (link below)
> 
> https://localhost:9980/loleaflet/2bac/loleaflet.html?file_path=file:///home//libreoffice/online/test/data/hello_world.odt
> 
> But this link shows the path of my diretories' tree 
> (/home//libreoffice/online/test/data/hello_world.odt). I would like to 
> know how I can hide this path. Can I define a variable for this path and with 
> this show online the name fo the variable instead the path? In which diretory 
> I can change this?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Using the linux subsystem on windows for building libreoffice for windows

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Good Afternoon, 

I have started and found out how to work with the linux subsystem on
windows. Has anyone tried to use it as an alternative to mingw to build
for windows? 

I have noticed and observed that its based on ubuntu but I am not sure
what version. Would this be something that is worth looking into if it
means that there is potential to use a linux system to build natively on
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Fwd: [gentoo-announce] [ GLSA 201611-03 ] LibreOffice, OpenOffice: Multiple vulnerabilities

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Guys not sure if you guys have seen these CVE's but this surfaced on
the gentoo security list.

 Original Message  

SUBJECT:
[gentoo-announce] [ GLSA 201611-03 ] LibreOffice, OpenOffice:
Multiple vulnerabilities

DATE:
2016-11-04 08:57

FROM:
Aaron Bauman 

TO:
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 Severity: Normal
Title: LibreOffice, OpenOffice: Multiple vulnerabilities
 Date: November 04, 2016
 Bugs: #565026, #587566
   ID: 201611-03

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Synopsis


Multiple vulnerabilities have been found in both LibreOffice and
OpenOffice, the worst of which allows for the remote execution of
arbitrary code.

Background
==

LibreOffice is a powerful office suite; its clean interface and
powerful tools let you unleash your creativity and grow your
productivity.

Apache OpenOffice is the leading open-source office software suite for
word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, graphics, databases and
more.

Affected packages
=

---
 Package  / Vulnerable /Unaffected
---
  1  app-office/libreoffice  < 5.1.4.2 >= 5.1.4.2 
  2  app-office/libreoffice-bin
 < 5.1.4.2 >= 5.1.4.2 
  3  app-office/openoffice-bin
  < 4.1.2>= 4.1.2 
---
 3 affected packages

Description
===

Multiple vulnerabilities have been found in both LibreOffice and
OpenOffice.  Please review the referenced CVE's for specific
information regarding each.

Impact
==

Remote attackers could obtain sensitive information, cause a Denial of
Service condition, or execute arbitrary code.

Workaround
==

There is no known work around at this time.

Resolution
==

All LibreOffice users should upgrade their respective packages to the
latest version:


# emerge --sync
# emerge --ask --oneshot --verbose ">=app-office/libreoffice-5.1.4.2"
# emerge --ask --oneshot --verbose
">=app-office/libreoffice-bin-debug-5.1.4.2" 

All OpenOffice users should upgrade to the latest version:


# emerge --sync
# emerge --ask --oneshot --verbose
">=app-office/openoffice-bin-4.1.2"

References
==

[ 1 ] CVE-2015-4551
  http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-4551
[ 2 ] CVE-2015-5212
  http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-5212
[ 3 ] CVE-2015-5213
  http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-5213
[ 4 ] CVE-2015-5214
  http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-5214
[ 5 ] CVE-2016-4324
  http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2016-4324

Availability


This GLSA and any updates to it are available for viewing at
the Gentoo Security Website:

 https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/201611-03

Concerns?
=

Security is a primary focus of Gentoo Linux and ensuring the
confidentiality and security of our users' machines is of utmost
importance to us. Any security concerns should be addressed to
secur...@gentoo.org or alternatively, you may file a bug at
https://bugs.gentoo.org.

License
===

Copyright 2016 Gentoo Foundation, Inc; referenced text
belongs to its owner(s).

The contents of this document are licensed under the
Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5

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Re: Firebird doesn't support MSVC 2015

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Instead of reinventing the wheel why not look at SQLite or there is a nosql
db couchdb as well but not sure how easy that would be to integrate with LO

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Wols Lists  wrote:

> On 02/03/16 12:12, Noel Grandin wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 2016/03/02 2:11 PM, Michael Stahl wrote:
> >>
> >> personally i'd be inclined towards alternatives that are less likely to
> >> trigger toolchain problems - maybe there's a SQL database implemented
> >> in, say, Java somewhere...
> >>
> >
> > Maybe even one that shares a committer with LO ?
> >
> :-)
>
> Sounds like I ought to get my finger out :-)
>
> I want to write a NoSQL database (a Pick derivative) and the plan is to
> do it and make it part of LibreOffice. Problem is, as a carer, I find it
> very hard to get the time available to concentrate, and I also don't
> have all the skills I need.
>
> Anyways, I will try and have a crack at it - life seems to be getting a
> bit easier at the moment - and see where it takes us.
>
> For those who know me, I am very much anti relational practice - imho
> it's impossible to write an efficient truly relational database - the
> theory has technical flaws that seriously impact any FNF engine.
> Basically, that (in contravention of Einstein's dictum) the engine is
> *too* *simple*, which means that any applications *must* be *overly*
> *complex*. I'll wax lyrical if you like but you'd be wise not to get me
> started :-)
>
> My main problem is that a Pick database is actually a complete operating
> environment. Fundamental to its operation is its language, called
> DATABASIC, and while I could probably write the database engine without
> too much difficulty, writing the language compiler is a step too far at
> the moment.
>
> Anyways, here's to having a go - if anyone's mad enough to join me, great!
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Problem in installing powershell

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Good Morning,

Powershell is already installed by default, question becomes what version
of powershell is needed as I am aware windows 7 comes with powershell
version 2 and there is an update one can download and install to get you to
powershell version 4. Windows 10 seems to come with a version 5.

Is there a minimum version of powershell which is listed?
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> As soon as I try to install powershell as instructed in lode page, it
> gives me an installation error. can anyone help me out of this ?
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Re: Problem in installing powershell

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Jan,

I was referring to what commands are run. It could be that there are
commands in that ps script which exist only in a particular version of
powershall rather then the one that comes installed default with windows 7
for example.

Jonathan Aquilina

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:05 AM, jan iversen 
wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Is there a minimum version of powershell which is listed?
>
>
> In short no, have a look at the ps1 script, it is very basic.
>
> As soon as I try to install powershell as instructed in lode page, it
>> gives me an installation error. can anyone help me out of this ?
>>
>
> Where do you find the instruction asking you to install powershell ??
>
> The first command is ".\install_cygwin.ps1", which is using and not
> installing powershell.
>
> Without knowing what you try to do or the error it is pretty hard to help.
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
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Re: Package building reduces the lifetime of the SSD drives

[Jonathan Aquilina]

In terms of a ram disk I have that done in particular when compiling from
source on gentoo. I think the biggest OS to ask how to do that on is
Windows.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Noel Grandin 
wrote:

>
>
> On 2015-02-23 12:14 PM, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of copy operations before to package LO. I propose you
>> copy the files to package into a temporary ramdisk.
>>
>> Creation of 1GB ramdisk in OS X:
>>
>
> And how do you propose to that under Windows and Linux?
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high praise for libreoffice 4.4

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi guys,

I am a long time lurker on the list and just follow the developments in the
community.

I found this link on a linkedin group I am apart of and I thought I would
share it with you.

http://netrunner-mag.com/libreoffice-4-4-review-finally-it-rocks/

There is lots of praise in this article for 4.4 and I want to thank all the
developers that pour their heart and soul to make libreoffice what it is
today. I used to use open office back in the day and that was chunky and
slow. Today I am a strong advocate for using Libreoffice, and I too use it
across all machines that i have be it Linux Mac or Windows.

Keep up the good work and hopefully I can contribute something to this
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Re: OS X build signature

[Jonathan Aquilina]

They dont need to relax the gatekeeper settings they go in and just hit
open, but I agree it can get a bit annoying, What would i need to do to try
and help figure out why this is happening?

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:20 AM, V Stuart Foote 
wrote:

> Jonathan Aquilina wrote
> > There is a way around that all one has to do to open libreoffice is go to
> > system preferences and go to securty and you can do one of two things
> >
> > 1) change gatekeeper settings
> > 2) open libreoffice. After that it doesnt prompt you again.
>
> Of course-- there are work arounds. But, why are the Apple signatures of
> our
> builds not passing OS X Gatekeeper muster and allowing a seamless
> installation.
>
> Why instead must users relax Gatekeeper to globally accept untrusted
> packages--not acceptable,  or preferably must perform a one-time by-pass to
> allow LibreOffice to install/configure to completion. It should not be
> needed if we have done our signature and Apple registration correctly.
>
> Additionally, we now need to explain the issue, and work around(s),  to OS
> X
> users in the release notes.
>
>
>
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Re: OS X build signature

[Jonathan Aquilina]

There is a way around that all one has to do to open libreoffice is go to
system preferences and go to securty and you can do one of two things

1) change gatekeeper settings
2) open libreoffice. After that it doesnt prompt you again.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:38 AM, V Stuart Foote 
wrote:

> So with release of 4.4.0 we appear to still have issues with OS X 10.9 and
> 10.10 Gatekeeper fussing over the package signing.
>
> An easy work around to by-pass Gatekeeper, but it seems like  we have a
> correct Apple v2 signature and should not have to be asking folks to.   Is
> that not the case?
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84352
>
> Unfortunately the work around now needs to be added to the release notes.
>
>
>
>
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Re: buildbot/bin/sendEmail issue

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I did it a bit differently I setup postfix to work as the relay through
gmail, and that for the most part worked out of the box for me.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Maarten Hoes 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Jonathan Aquilina 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Maarten,
> >
> > Did you manage to get it working?
> >
> Yes, after patching sendEmail.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> - Maarten
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Re: buildbot/bin/sendEmail issue

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hi Maarten,

Did you manage to get it working? as I had setup something at work to use
gmail to relay. Not sure if this will be of any use to you
https://rtcamp.com/tutorials/linux/ubuntu-postfix-gmail-smtp/

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Maarten Hoes 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Matúš Kukan 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 24 January 2015 at 10:38, Maarten Hoes 
> wrote:
> > >  if ($conf{'tls_server'} == 1 and $conf{'tls_client'} == 1 and
> > > $opt{'tls'} =~ /^(yes|auto)$/) {
> > >  printmsg("DEBUG => Starting TLS", 2);
> > >  if (SMTPchat('STARTTLS')) { quit($conf{'error'}, 1); }
> > > -my $ssl_ver = 'SSLv3 TLSv1';
> > > +my $ssl_ver = 'SSLv3';
> >
> > That's exactly what I did after spent some time.
> > And I was told it's a known issue.
> > I am for pushing this or at least put some comment into the script.
> > I am sorry, I forgot to do the latter.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matus
>
>
> Done.
>
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/14151
>
>
>
> - Maarten
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Re: [Fwd: [libo-marketing-priv] Announcing Pebble Smartwatch Application for LibreOffice Impress]

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I just got a pebble device and looking forward to trying this out :)

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Charles-H. Schulz <
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Forwarding this to the developers' list. It has been suggested the
> original developer contributes its code to our repository.
>
> Best,
>
> Charles.
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Zeki Bildirici 
> To: libreoffice-marketing-priv <
> libo-marketing-p...@lists.documentfoundation.org>
> Cc: "Necdet Yücel" , gulsah.1...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 23:14:35 +0200
> Subject: [libo-marketing-priv] Announcing Pebble Smartwatch Application
> for LibreOffice Impress
> Hi,
>
> I would like to announce the brand new LibreOffice Impress remote
> control application of Pebble smartwatch.
>
> Just a brief, Pebble is a smartwatch which is aimed to accompany with
> your smartphones.  A very succesfull smartwatch born from a
> crowdfunding campaing. More info may be gathered from its website
> https://getpebble.com
>
> This application is developed by Gülşah Köse who is a student in
> Çanakkale Onsekiz Mart University of Turkey. Necdet Yücel, our long
> time contributor, encouraged and mentored her about this app.
>
> You can visit this project's homepage at github
> https://github.com/COMU/pebble-remote
> It has a very easy installation guide.
>
> Here is a pic -as it did happened-  of Pebble app on work:
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CrK-dldEO-M/VKWIOYw0U3I/RZY/PCAVBxAY28A/s1600/pebble-impress-remote.jpg
>
> With this Pebble app, LibreOffice Impress now has its 3rd app which is
> quite different an 'cooler' than others.
>
> It will be very nice to have this app reviewed by our devs and
> announced via TDF blog.
>
> I'm cc'ing Gülşah Köse and Necdet Yücel for your further questions &
> contact requests.
>
> Best regards,
> Zeki
>
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Re: Internal Updater

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Khargaroth you coudl actually do one better. have it when download is
clicked have it automatically poll the nearest mirror to you and download
the installer from within LO and have it auto run and update ones system.
not sure though how much work that would be though. We would eliminate the
need to load a browser and alot of extra steps currently involved.


On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:50 PM, khagaroth  wrote:

> I don't find this that useful. Unless the internal updater starts using
> differential updates (which would be great), I think it's better to just
> open the download site in a browser.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Joel Madero 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I know we've discussed this already a few times - both within ESC and
>> within the QA call but I wanted to get a better sense of what is needed
>> to move forward with getting it fixed. FWIW I've closed 3 bugs this at
>> least tangentially related to the subject.
>>
>> So - from what I understand the entire updater is just broken, when you
>> get a notification that there is a new version you click it and it just
>> takes you to the website where additional clicks are needed to download,
>> and then more to install.
>>
>> QA has discussed this a few times and generally I think we've come up
>> with a roadmap of what would be ideal but I know that it will require
>> others to implement so I'm not trying to "push" this onto any developer
>> just curious how (if at all) we can get it fixed.
>>
>> Phase I:
>> Fix what is already there - currently you can go to Help -> Check for
>> Updates and there is a "Install" button that is always inactive. How
>> much work would it take to at least fix that? If this will never get
>> fixed (or be a long time) I think we should remove the button as it just
>> reminds users about a broken feature that has been broken for a long
>> time already.
>>
>> FWIW here I think we need to be clearer about what it means to "check
>> for update" because it's based on what branch you are on
>>
>>
>> Phase II:
>> Add new options to allow a user to select the branch they want
>> (fresh/stable/pre-release) and then another option to either "download
>> only" or "download and install" which would automatically either
>> download to a folder or download and install upon release.
>>
>> I think Phase II would be an amazing addition that would be kind of one
>> of those big things we could run some PR about during a major release.
>>
>>
>> Like I said - not pushing this on anyone, just curious where we stand as
>> I see updater related bug reports and enhancement requests and QA has
>> discussed it quite a few times as something that we feel need some
>> love/attention.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Quantifying the time overhead of Cygwin make

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What would be interesting to see is a bench mark in terms of compilation
times and evaluate if its really worth changing the ABI and breaking
compatability.


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Stephan Bergmann 
wrote:

> On 06/12/2014 08:30 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>
>> I am not trying to hijack this thread, but I am part of another project
>> where we build for windows on linux boxes. Have you guys considered
>> looking into building for windows on Linux?
>>
>
> We have support for mingw cross-compilation in the build system, but that
> effort never really went anywhere fully fruitful AFAICT (and would imply a
> different ABI, i.e., incompatibility of---native code, at
> least---extensions).
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Re: Quantifying the time overhead of Cygwin make

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am not trying to hijack this thread, but I am part of another project
where we build for windows on linux boxes. Have you guys considered looking
into building for windows on Linux?


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Norbert Thiebaud 
wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:
> > Are you sure GnuWin32 actually is something even worth considering?
> > Cygwin at least has a semi-decent package management even if it is a
> > bit slower.
> >
> If I understand correctly the exercise is about replacing gmake itself
> from a cygwin-running version to a native-running version of gmake
> the need for cygwin in general is still there...
>
> That being said,, reading the patch it seems there is no need for a 'flag
> day'
> most of the change in configure.ac are -u + -d => -sm and the need for
> -m or not in same case
> It should be possible to make that an autogen option, to allow a
> non-distruptive migration
>
> I'll test the native gmake on my windows tb, and if that works, I'll
> have a stab at the patch to make it support both mode
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Presentation Video Bug - Need Dev/QA Feedback

[Jonathan Aquilina]

>
> Do you know how playback is implemented on windows as i wanted to do
> testing on it. Someone mentioned that if i plays in windows media
> player, then it should play in impress, but unfortunately that is not
> the case.
>
> I plan to set up a wiki page with Joel's help to provide details of how
> to get audio/video playback to work correctly on different
> distros/platforms and would appreciate any contributions.
>
>
>
What I would be interested to know is if we could bundle codes which VLC
uses into Libreoffice that way we support formats that are not necessarily
native to windows itself as well.

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Re: Getting started, need to learn

[Jonathan Aquilina]

There are lots of free open source ide's that one can use for c++ and many
other languages. Two such examples are eclipse and netbeans.


On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Tom Meinen  wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up.  It looks like I'll be learning C++ then.  I
> actually originally intended to learn C++ along with VB for those times
> when VB was not enough to accomplish what I wanted, but that never
> happened.  I'm off to search for a good Linux-based C++ IDE.  In Windows I
> had the Microsoft one and the Borland C++ Builder.
>
> I imagine a lot of standalone Linux apps are written in C++ and hence I
> don't really need to also learn Python?  I'm talking about the programming
> I intend to do besides my LO Writer hacks.
>
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>  Hi Tom,
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:47:58AM -0700, Tom Meinen 
> wrote:
> > What programming language do I need to learn to accomplish this?
>
>
> Most of LibreOffice is in C++.
>
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Re: recovery dialogs crash reporter features and .ui conversion

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Hi Caolan and everyone,

This is just an idea, why not rework it that if a crash does happen it 
interfaces with the bugzilla submission assistant to help a user submit a bug 
and it will gather all the necessary dump information etc to submit with the 
bug report?

On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:55:55 PM Caolán McNamara wrote:
> Our default configuration for crash reporting during document Recovery
> is off (officecfg/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office/Recovery.xcs see
> CrashReporter) and there are a bunch of dialogs and tabpages related to
> crash reporting.
> 
> I don't want to convert these to the .ui format unless we are going to
> use them. We haven't enabled that crash reporting set of dialogs AFAIK
> since day 0 of LibreOffice. This would be the UI shown on document
> recovery which would allow you to send some crash report information.
> 
> So anyone disagree with removing these recovery-time crash reporter
> dialogs ?
> 
> I believe this stuff is somewhat orthogonal to the --enable-crashdump
> stuff (which is also disabled by default at build-time) in that the
> crashreporter applications (if they exist at run-time) would still get
> called in the event of a crash. FWIW the windows one appears to have its
> own UI and the unx not. I guess the follow up question is if anyone is
> using the --enable-crashdump stuff.
> 
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Re: IRC going crazy ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Sophie I am on now no problem you have to keep trying until you connect to a 
server successfully.

On Monday, February 03, 2014 07:16:14 PM Sophie wrote:
> Le 03/02/2014 19:09, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
> > Freenode is being DoSed you are best using a european based server as US,
> > australian and asian servers are being attacked.
> 
> It seems European too, I've been unable to connect this afternoon...
> Cheers
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Re: IRC going crazy ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Freenode is being DoSed you are best using a european based server as US, 
australian and asian servers are being attacked.

On Monday, February 03, 2014 12:34:46 PM Adam Fyne wrote:
> Hi,
> Any idea why IRC is going nuts and shows people keep getting disconnected?
> Best,
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Latest xcode does not have command line tools

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I had to reinstall OSX 10.9 on my imac and the latest xcode doesnt seem to 
have the command line tools available any more.

Will this start causing issues for building on mac both for releases and 
contributors alike?

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Re: Is the 'libreoffice' list name confusing?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I think for the mailing list it should be something along the lines of
d...@libreoffice.org. that is short and to the point.


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if the name of this list is confusing to newcomers to the
> libreoffice project.
>
> Consider:
> #libreoffice - channel for user questions and general visionary planning
> libreoffice@lists - mailing list for developers
>
> #libreoffice-dev - This is the LibreOffice DEVELOPER channel...
>
> Perhaps 'libreoffice-dev@lists' would be less confusing?
>
> Cheers,
> --R
>
> P.S. the current topic for the dev channel is also confusing
> (partially due to the use of commas):
> This is the LibreOffice DEVELOPER channel, user stuff, probs without
> code: #libreoffice
>
> I think this is clearer:
> This is the LibreOffice DEVELOPER channel. User q's & problems w/o
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Re: LibreOffice Gerrit News for core on 2013-11-24

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am just wondering shouldnt it say changes in the last 24 hours instead of
25 hours?

Regards


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:00 AM,  wrote:

> Moin!
>
> * Open changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours:
>
> + winaccessibility: replace CoCreateInstance with direct instantiation
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6792 from Michael Stahl
> + Remove old outdated gallery Images
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/4993 from Samuel Mehrbrodt
> + fdo#71936 Add Excel 2010 functions GAMMA.DIST, GAMMA.INV, GAMMALN.PRECISE
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6775 from Winfried Donkers
> + fdo#60924 autoinstall - gbuild/scp2: Move more libs to OOO
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6763 from Marcos Souza
> + Fix for LO crash while saving and corruption of file after roundtrip.
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6676 from Rohit Deshmukh
> + fdo#67011: Run Display::Yield through KDEXLib::Yield.
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6750 from Jan-Marek Glogowski
> + fdo#69552 make calc functions CEILING and FLOOR comply with ODF1.2
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6767 from Winfried Donkers
> + CID#1078495/1078496: Copy-paste error
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5852 from Julien Nabet
>
>
> * Merged changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours:
>
> + simplify compareTo (now correct)
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/2591 from Thomas Arnhold
>
>
> * Abandoned changes on master for project core changed in the last 25
> hours:
>
> None
>
> * Open changes needing tweaks, but being untouched for more than a week:
>
> + fdo#69407
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6316 from matthieu gay
> + fix for exporting of text watermark to DOCX
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5568 from Adam CloudOn
> + WIP: fdo#33980 Preserve selection across all slide sorters.
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6633 from Andrzej J.R. Hunt
> + fdo#71043 -  Use STACK lint tool to clean code
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6529 from José Guilherme Vanz
> + new cell-border handling in calc
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6093 from Viktor Varga
> + Increase number of remembered recent documents from 10 to 25
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6101 from Krisztian Pinter
> + startcenter: Make SC open faster by timeouting thumbnails
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6102 from Krisztian Pinter
> + Simplify oslThreadIdentifier on Linux 32.
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5553 from Arnaud Versini
> + Dynamically align toolbars in LibreOffice
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5655 from Prashant Pandey
> + fdo#36791 : fix for import of greeting card
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/4240 from Adam CloudOn
> + more debug logs, extra debug layer, file is not used in p3k
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5267 from James Michael Dupont
> + Positional Tab additions
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5387 from Adam CloudOn
> + fdo#64817 : fix for rectangle with image fill
>   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/4718 from Adam CloudOn
>
>
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Re: Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Norbert, the problem is that Ubuntu doesnt have the sun java in the repo,
it can be installed but not readily available in the default enabled repos.
The question I think becomes if its possible to include support for the
open jdk.


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> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Stephan Bergmann 
> wrote:
> > With problems popping up for users after upgrading to Mac OS X Mavericks
>
> So... I installed a libreoffice 4.1 (latest stable release)
> I made sure that java was working for libreoffice.
>
> then I upgraded to maverick
>
> immediately after the install was done, I started libreoffice again...
> then selected 'Writer'... typed a charactere
> A pop up showed-up warning me that Java 1.6 is not avaialble, and
> asked me if I wanted to install it.
> I answered no to the request to install java
> at this point there is no more lo running, although there was no
> crash-report dialog.
>
> I started again... a lo crash recovery windows was presented for the
> writer document I was on...
> I said no to recovery and proceeded with creating a new writter document..
> same symptom... this time I replied 'yes' to the install of java
> after java has been installed, Libreoffice is restarted automatically,
> and a lo-crash-recovery windows is presented again...
>
> After that lo works normally
>
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Re: North America Pub Chat

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Why not do a doodle it will make things easy for you to determine day and
time.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> hip. Really 1 hour a month is enough time to give back a bit.
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I dont know if I can make it this Friday, but could you also point out
>> the time
>> in UTC too? For a continental european guest a time like "12:00pm EST" is
>> ultimately confusing -- is that EST or 2400EST?
>>
>
> Sure, apologies for that :)
>
> So for North America (or at least United States) we have:
> PST (GMT - 7)
> MDT (GMT -6)
> CST (GMT - 5)
> EST (GMT - 4)
>
> Once I get a head count of who theoretically would be interested if the
> time was right, we can start discussing what specific time will work and
> I'll make sure to do the conversion to GMT :) As of now it looks like 1200
> (1900 GMT) on Friday isn't going to work as there just doesn't seem to be
> availability/interest.
>
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Re: [BUILD] Which license do I need to build a professional edition of LibreOffice (4.0.x/4.1.x) of windows ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am not understanding the end goal. You are basically duplicating efforts
here and just reinventing the wheel.

What would be interesting to know is what is missing in the versions from
the LO site that you want to custom build for yourself.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Gay, Matthieu wrote:

>  Hello, I still have problem to build under windows, but I wanted to
> know, what do I need to build LibreOffice (4.0.x/4.1.x) entirely as the
> original available in the website.
>
>
>
> First can you confirm that I need a certificate to sign the DLL and a
> license of Visual Studio 12 (without I can't build ATL and ActiveX
> modules).
>
>
>
> Which version of Windows is the best? Do I need a pro version or a
> familial one?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your answer, if you find others license/not free component (in
> cygwin dependency or Microsoft tools by example) don't hesitate to tell me.
>
>
>
> Matthieu GAY.
>
>
>
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Shortcuts not displayed in menu's

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hey guys I am interested in some code pointers to get shortcuts to display
in the menus. One such example woudl be ctrl +s on windows cmd + s on mac
etc.

Is there a reason why those are not show and if there is no reason where
would one need to look to be able to add the shortcuts?

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Re: LibreOffice Gerrit News 2013-09-28

[Jonathan Aquilina]

This is the developers list. Have you tried to send an email to the user
mailing list?


On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 4:12 PM,  wrote:

> How can I stop these E-Mails from Libre coming,since no one has been able
> to help me with my gridline printing problem.As soon as I save some of my
> information,I will delete all  ref to Libre Office on my computer. I need
> to print a document in Libre-Office with the gridlines and no one can tell
> me how to do it.Thanks,I enjoyed the time I was with Libre-Office,but help
> from the company to what I concider a small problem,could not be addressed
>- Original Message -  From: ger...@libreoffice.org  To:
> libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org  Cc: q...@fr.libreoffice.org  Sent: Sat,
> 28 Sep 2013 06:00:01 - (UTC)  Subject: LibreOffice Gerrit News
> 2013-09-28 Moin!  * Open changes on master for project core changed in
> the last 25 hours:  + n realloc -> 1 malloc + n same assignments -> 1
> only   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6063 from Julien Nabet + Remove
> the Navigator button below the scrollbar in Writer   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6045 from Samuel Mehrbrodt + gbuild: use
> .xcd configuration files from instdir   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6057 from Matúš Kukan + oox: added methods
> to lock Smart-Art edition   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6059 from
> Andres Gomez + svtools: removed dead code from the export dialog   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6058 from Andres Gomez + Unit test case
> added to verify chart rendering in Writer for docx   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6056 from Tushar Bende + fdo#62082 Better
> Layout for Custom Animation Sidebar   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6055 from Samuel Mehrbrodt + General
> cleanup in sal module for all and unix.   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6016 from Arnaud Versini + Convert Draw
> char dialog to widget UI   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6054 from
> Olivier Hallot + Convert Draw page dialog to Widget UI   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6053 from Olivier Hallot   * Merged
> changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours:  +
> Implement hsqldb loading test.   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5934from 
> Andrzej J.R. Hunt + Improve performance of copyArea(), especially
> relevant for mobile devices   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5707 from
> Tsahi Glik @ CloudOn + unittest for fdo#67685   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6043 from Lionel Elie Mamane   * Abandoned
> changes on master for project core changed in the last 25 hours:  + Test
> Case for chart in Writer for docx(Note : work in progress DO NOT MER   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6019 from Tushar Bende   * Open changes
> needing tweaks, but being untouched for more than a week:  + fdo#69407
> Putting "no fill" frame color instead of transparent by default   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5996 from matthieu gay + Remove more
> unusedcode   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5937 from Marcos Souza +
> Simplify oslThreadIdentifier on Linux 32.   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5553 from Arnaud Versini + Fix for IOS
> scroll by pixels, and pinch to zoom Change-Id: Ied6087a264f1c   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5742 from Ptyl + fix polygon rendering
> with clip area of one line only   in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5709from 
> Tsahi Glik @ CloudOn + fix for text watermark   in
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/5568 from Adam CloudOn + fdo#39468:
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Re: 4.1.1 Binary size

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Why not create a page on the site for all clipart so someone can download
the image and use it. that way the directory that has all the images can
disappear from the install.


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Wols Lists wrote:

> On 19/09/13 12:43, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > Patches most welcome; though of course - we'd need to check that
> > existing documents don't hard-code links to these paths [ it seems
> > likely sadly ] into the gallery.
>
> Not knowing the packaging system (and of course distros do their own
> thing), but is it possible to flag certain areas - artwork being an
> obvious example - as "do not remove when upgrading"?
>
> That's annoyed me on many an occasion with some programs, where you had
> all these useful little "extras" like clip-art, and then an upgrade
> removed the old lot and replaced it with something new and different.
>
> It'd be nice to be able to include a bunch of useful bits with each
> version and change them. Then people who've got them would still have
> them but there'd be a bit of the "what wonderful new things will turn up
> THIS time?". And if the location is documented then people could copy
> and share them if they so desire.
>
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Re: Please regenerate api.libreoffice.org from libreoffice-4-1 branch

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Andras would resubmitting a new sitemap to Google help the situation at all?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andras Timar  wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Alexander Thurgood
>  wrote:
> > I've seen two user reports of similar problems (404 not found), one
> > yesterday on the French list and one today on the EN user list.
>
> It is possible that deep links from external sites do not work any
> more. The autodoc -> doxygen transition changed many links. Hopefully
> Google will reindex the site soon, so people can use Google search
> again.
>
> The site contains 23881 links, and there are only ~30 broken links,
> which are caused by the following line in odk/CustomTarget_javadoc.mk:
>  -linkoffline ../../common/reg $(SRCDIR)/odk/pack/gendocu/uno \
>
> There is no common directory any more, and unfortunately
> common/reg/com/sun/star paths became part of the filename, like
> exceptioncom_1_1sun_1_1star_1_1uno_1_1RuntimeException.html. So links
> from javadocs to API docs should be fixed somehow.
>
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Re: is there a portable version of libre office for win 7 ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

How is the portable apps one not as good as the other they should be
exactly the same.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Tommy  wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:11:29 +0200, Pedro  wrote:
>
>  Actually there are two portable versions.
>>
>> The one suggested by Christian and X-LibreOffice from winPenPack.
>>
>> You can get the latest version from
>> http://www.winpenpack.com/en/**download.php?view.1354<http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.1354>
>> or choose any specific version from
>> http://sourceforge.net/**projects/winpenpack/files/X-**
>> LibreOffice/releases/<http://sourceforge.net/projects/winpenpack/files/X-LibreOffice/releases/>
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>>
> I tried both version and I can tell that IMHO the winPenPack portable
> version is better that the one from PortableApps.
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Re: Raspberry Pi for development available

[Jonathan Aquilina]

i withdraw my proposal. One can probably use the NDK using raspian (debian
derivative) on the pi itself.


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Stahl  wrote:

> On 02/09/13 09:52, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> > What kind of projects are we talking about. I think they would best be
> > served for android tin build machines. I would love to  work on setting
> > up android on one or both and let them run as tinderboxes.
>
> uhm... according to [1] the only supported platforms to run the Android
> NDK are Windows, Mac OS X an Linux running on x86/x86_64 processors
> (which ought to be much faster than running on a puny RPi anyway); how
> exactly would your proposal work?
>
> [1] https://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html
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Re: Raspberry Pi for development available

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What kind of projects are we talking about. I think they would best be
served for android tin build machines. I would love to  work on setting up
android on one or both and let them run as tinderboxes.


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> Hello,
>
> earlier this year, the infrastructure team has approved budget for buying
> two Raspberry Pi with the nice LibreOffice branding. [1]
>
> As we have no immediate need for those devices, we'd like to offer them a
> loan to a developer who could make use out of it for LibreOffice.
>
> If you have a concrete project where having hands-on a Raspberry Pi 512 MB
> model would be helpful, please poke me directly (I don't follow this list
> regularly). After a few days, the best two proposals will get the
> Raspberry. :-)
>
> Florian
>
>
> [1] http://shop.pi3g.com/pi3g_de/**libreoffice-edition/**
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Web Administration

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Alex if you want to go back to system versions you purge the nightly and
then remove the repo and reinstall the system version

I have added the developers list.

Greetings developers

I wanted to put forth a suggestion at the admin weekend this past weekend
but I have done so now. As in the previous emails the suggestion was to
create TDF hosted deb and rpm based repositories. I was talking with joel
madero earlier in the week and using dpkg basically messed up his system.
Seeing as dpkg doesnt do dependency resolution I was thinking of a
repository to prevent end users from having to use dpkg and run into
dependency problems.

Seeing as the builds are mostly automated all that would need to be done is
them put in the repo. The advantage of these repos is that those that want
to be on the bleeding edge can as well i feel it will improve overall QA as
it is easier to install the latest version. This isnt limited to Debian
based distros but can also be applied to rpm based distros as well.



Looking forward to developer feed back

Regards
Jonathan



On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Alex Waite  wrote:

> Also, I noticed that the packages for 4.1 do not replace the ones for 4.0,
>> so I essentially had 2 copies of LibreOffice installed to other day.
>>
>
> I think this is (currently) by design, so that TDF packaged don't override
> the system ones.
>
>
>  For the majority of users, having this linked into their systems update
>> mechanism will help keep the majority of the userbase up to date, anyone
>> who doesn't want to update can always pin the older versions in apt.
>>
>
> No arguments here.
>
>
>  Sorry I'm having issues finding that specific thread in the archives, do
>> you have a link?
>>
>
> Here's the link on Nabble.
>
> http://nabble.**documentfoundation.org/**minutes-of-ESC-call-td4066046.**
> html<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4066046.html>
>
>
>  With regards to time, that's the answer I was hoping for :)
>>
>
> Glad to hear you're interested.
>
> ---Alex
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback from LibreOffice application

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Bug might be negative but submit a bug report in a way is positive in the
sense that an issue has been found and reported.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:

>  On 07/22/2013 07:46 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>
> That name is misleading shouldnt that be submit a bug report or something?
>
>
> We are changing it so it's not misleading - it's going to get to a landing
> page - that's what this whole thread is about ;) So it will be for feedback
> (in a general sense). We want to avoid negative words like "bugs" in our
> main GUI.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Rob Snelders wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There was some work in progress for that. LibreOffice gives that
>> information already to the BSA. But the BSA doesn't pick it up yet. So that
>> will need to be implemented. The option can be found on Help->Send
>> Feedback. When you open it you can see the info of your LibreOffice in the
>> URL.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings,
>> Rob Snelders
>>
>>
>> On 22-07-13 16:40, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>
>>> Other projects use something like that. I think it wont have any privacy
>>> issues if all you collect is system specifications.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Joel Madero >> <mailto:jmadero@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/21/2013 11:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not trying to hijack this thread. I was thinking also in
>>> conjunction with an online version of the BSA is there something
>>> we can code into LO which integrates with the BSA that way if
>>> people go to help and submit a but a window pops up with version
>>> os etc and a text box to type in the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>     This has been discussed a bit and from my understanding it's
>>>
>>> a) quite a bit of work
>>> b) might have some legal issues in terms of privacy if we're
>>> collecting data automatically.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback from LibreOffice application

[Jonathan Aquilina]

That name is misleading shouldnt that be submit a bug report or something?


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Rob Snelders  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> There was some work in progress for that. LibreOffice gives that
> information already to the BSA. But the BSA doesn't pick it up yet. So that
> will need to be implemented. The option can be found on Help->Send
> Feedback. When you open it you can see the info of your LibreOffice in the
> URL.
>
> --
> Greetings,
> Rob Snelders
>
>
> On 22-07-13 16:40, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>
>> Other projects use something like that. I think it wont have any privacy
>> issues if all you collect is system specifications.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Joel Madero > <mailto:jmadero@gmail.com>**> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/21/2013 11:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>
>> I am not trying to hijack this thread. I was thinking also in
>> conjunction with an online version of the BSA is there something
>> we can code into LO which integrates with the BSA that way if
>> people go to help and submit a but a window pops up with version
>> os etc and a text box to type in the issue.
>>
>>
>> This has been discussed a bit and from my understanding it's
>>
>> a) quite a bit of work
>> b) might have some legal issues in terms of privacy if we're
>> collecting data automatically.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Other projects use something like that. I think it wont have any privacy
issues if all you collect is system specifications.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> On 07/21/2013 11:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>
>> I am not trying to hijack this thread. I was thinking also in conjunction
>> with an online version of the BSA is there something we can code into LO
>> which integrates with the BSA that way if people go to help and submit a
>> but a window pops up with version os etc and a text box to type in the
>> issue.
>>
>
> This has been discussed a bit and from my understanding it's
>
> a) quite a bit of work
> b) might have some legal issues in terms of privacy if we're collecting
> data automatically.
>
>
> Best,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am not trying to hijack this thread. I was thinking also in conjunction
with an online version of the BSA is there something we can code into LO
which integrates with the BSA that way if people go to help and submit a
but a window pops up with version os etc and a text box to type in the
issue.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Rob Snelders  wrote:

> Hi All,
>>
>> My little contribution.
>>
>> I think we are going the wrong way totally.
>>
>> When the dev-list found gerrit it wasn't quite what they wanted. But they
>> took it, tweaked it and are now using it, with great success (afaik). And
>> here we are trying to create something new that stands between what we have
>> as bugzilla and the ask-site. Why are we trying to take this hughe detour
>> to get what we want?
>>
>> I think we need _really need_ our own bugzilla so we can tweak that
>> install that it suits us better. Then we can make the bugs less complex and
>> use usefull subcomponents. But then we can also install plugins we think
>> are usefull. Tweaking bugzilla then so it comes really close with what we
>> need is better then. Yes this is a road that needs time invested. But that
>> is also needed for the other road.
>>
>> Just my €0,02
>>
>> --
>> Greetings,
>> Rob Snelders
>>
>>
>> On 16-07-13 00:33, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 05:59:37PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did that and I was told to stop.
>>>>
>>>> One big problem with Ask admins reporting a bug for a user is that the
>>>> reporter isthe Ask admin. Do you run OSX 10.7? Do you run Windows
>>>> Vista?  I don't, so when a dev comes back and asks me for repro steps,
>>>> I have to shrug and say "Go talk to user XYZ on the Ask site" and
>>>> as you said, the devs don't use the Ask site!
>>>>
>>> Yeah, its probably best to suggest users to file a bug and offer to help
>>> them
>>> along on #libreoffice-qa once the bug is triaged roughly. I dont think
>>> we need
>>> to bother with bugs as long as those are obviously not welltriaged.
>>>
>>>  Another problem is that if they haven't provided enough information,
>>>> we can't tag the question as "NEEDINFO" and let the Ask system pester
>>>> them for more information (although this would be a *great*
>>>> improvement that I'd like to see!)
>>>>
>>> THB, I did something similar with a question recently: Asked a long idle
>>> incomplete question if there is an update on the missing info and then
>>> closed
>>> it as "outdated" a few days later as there was no reply.
>>>
>>>  Many/most new users on the Ask site do not read old questions. Of the
>>>> small number that do, most of them either know how to file a bug or
>>>> learn very quickly. So I don't think that me filing bugs for people
>>>> will have much value in leading by example (but I could be wrong...).
>>>>
>>> Only file bugs for others when you can reproduce the bug. Otherwise
>>> guide them
>>> through filing their bug themselves. This also makes the motivation for a
>>> reproduction scenario clear to the other guy.
>>>
>>>> So: Give the people a smooth migration path towards bugzilla and allow
>>>>> them to
>>>>> test the waters on askbot, instead of a migration scenario that
>>>>> requires a
>>>>> sleep all-in learning curve, which will make a lot of them just turn
>>>>> away.
>>>>>
>>>> It's a novel idea, having people start on Askbot and then having them
>>>> learn how to use the bugtracker later, and it's not something I'm
>>>> entirely opposed to, but it's a very drastic change to how we've been
>>>> using FDO and the Ask site up until now.
>>>>
>>> Note that experienced users will should be encouraged to stay with fdo
>>> (and
>>> will likely do so all by themselves). So: If you now what bugzilla is,
>>> go with
>>> it, otherwise better stay with askbot. If you have "(experienced users:
>>> bugzilla)" behind on the feedback page, you can hopefully divide the
>>> stream at
>>> that point already successfull as those saying "oh, I know bugzilla"
>>> will go
>>> for it and those who do not will evade "(experienced users:
>>> UNKNOWN_THING)".
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Bjoern
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Regd ECCN Code for LibreOffice

[Jonathan Aquilina]

There are no licenses its free to download.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Jain, Pulkit X wrote:

> Hi,
>
> ** **
>
> Can you let us know the ECCN Code for thisLibreOffice*. We need to
> purchase a few licenses for the same.*
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pulkit Jain
>
> vBuild || VDSI || Chennai
>
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Re: OSX Daily Builds

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I was but things got all hectic on the freelance front. Its still on my to
do list.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Thorsten Behrens <
t...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> > Not trying to hijack this thread but what does one need to do to become a
> > daily build provider?
> >
> A tinderbox. How's the story there Jonathan, thought you were working
> on providing one? ;)
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: OSX Daily Builds

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Not trying to hijack this thread but what does one need to do to become a
daily build provider?


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Thorsten Behrens <
t...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Alexander Thurgood wrote:
> > Have the OSX daily builds stopped working, or are we out of resources ?
> >
> Hi Alex,
>
> we still have:
>
>
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-0/MacOSX-Intel@27-OSX_10.7.0-gcc_4.2.1_llvm/
>
> , I was moving, so had to switch off my box, hopefully back online in
> a bit. Beyond that, probably worth asking one of the several Mac bot
> admins if enabling daily build uploads would be ok with them.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [GSOC] iOS remote control weekly update 5 (workable milestone)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What is the oldest version of iOS this will work with as i have an older
ipod touch with 4.1 on it.


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Siqi Liu  wrote:

> Hello Jonathan, Tor and all LibO developers and QA testers,
>
> I've just integrated TestFlight into the app and now I need to register
> beta-testers' iOS devices in order to distribute this beta-testing version
> to you.
>
> For that I've created a gdoc to gather unique identifiers from all beta
> testers which is available here:
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1XXpZWnPoIZEsyVG9Q-9TuvinjvjtuzeirEFY0WwRrJA/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Please, feel free to register your iOS devices as testing devices so that
> I can register your devices for the ad-hoc distribution. You will then get
> a copy of the beta-testing distribution (.ipa) and try out this new app on
> your devices :-D This app gets better because of you!
>
> Happy testing and poke me for all questions you may have. Please also let
> me know if there is any mailing list that might be more appropriate for
> this matter.
>
> Thank you!
> Siqi
>
>
>
> 2013/7/14 Jonathan Aquilina 
>
>> For app testing there is a website that allows testing of ios apps called
>> test flight.
>>
>> https://testflightapp.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:
>>
>>> The progress is really impressive!
>>>
>>>
>>> > Also, should I publish this version on the app store so that people
>>> don't have to compile it? Or export it to an ipa file?
>>>
>>> I don't think it is a good idea to publish it before it is ready for
>>> real use; one is not supposed to publish "beta test" versions in the App
>>> Store.
>>>
>>> I would assume any hint at it being a test version in its description or
>>> in the app itself will automatically mean it won't get approved into the
>>> store.
>>>
>>> And on the other hand, if you publish it, knowing it has still problems,
>>> but without being able to tell so to customers, that will just generate bad
>>> press for it, "LibreOffice published their Impress Remote for iOS but it
>>> doesn't work".
>>>
>>> Better to use the ad-hoc distribution mechanism, I think, where if I
>>> understand correctly you specifically add provisioning to the app to run on
>>> up to 100 named tester devices, and then distribute the app to these
>>> testers.
>>>
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Re: [GSOC] iOS remote control weekly update 5 (workable milestone)

[Jonathan Aquilina]

For app testing there is a website that allows testing of ios apps called
test flight.

https://testflightapp.com/


On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:

> The progress is really impressive!
>
>
> > Also, should I publish this version on the app store so that people
> don't have to compile it? Or export it to an ipa file?
>
> I don't think it is a good idea to publish it before it is ready for real
> use; one is not supposed to publish "beta test" versions in the App Store.
>
> I would assume any hint at it being a test version in its description or
> in the app itself will automatically mean it won't get approved into the
> store.
>
> And on the other hand, if you publish it, knowing it has still problems,
> but without being able to tell so to customers, that will just generate bad
> press for it, "LibreOffice published their Impress Remote for iOS but it
> doesn't work".
>
> Better to use the ad-hoc distribution mechanism, I think, where if I
> understand correctly you specifically add provisioning to the app to run on
> up to 100 named tester devices, and then distribute the app to these
> testers.
>
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Re: When will be relased LibreOffice for Android

[Jonathan Aquilina]

>From what I have seen the android port is still in its infancy as there is
still lots that needs to be done.


2013/7/10 Abraham Macías Paredes 

> Hi LibreOffice people,
>
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>
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Re: Gerrit submissions

[Jonathan Aquilina]

> doesnt hide the old and rusty ones (as Noel suggested), but shows _only_
> the
> old and rusty ones. Sooo, if your patch is on there, please abandon or
> update
> it. (Reducing the age to 2 weeks, with is pretty old already, is left as an
> excerise to the reader).
>

Is there a way if lets say a patch is older then 2 weeks it notifies the
submitter to either update or abandon the change?

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Re: master start a JRE 7 even if the default JRE is 6

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Is it a good idea to support java 6 both jre and jdk as those have been end
of lifed, in terms of security patches etc?


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

> On 05/06/2013 07:25 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
>
>> What is weird, is that my default Java is Java 6 and LO is configured to
>> use Java 6. I have both OpenJDK 6 and OpenJDK 7 on my PC.
>>
>
> "LO is configured to use Java 6":  for building (i.e., as a switch in your
> autogen.input) or at runtime (i.e., at "Tools - Options... - LibreOffice -
> Advanced - Java options")?  The latter is preset via some code that tries
> to find the "best" JRE on your machine, so could easily pick a JRE 7 if you
> have installed both 6 and 7, even if you configured your LO build to
> compile against a JDK 6.
>
>  It seems that official builds (LO 4.0.3.3) does not start a JVM at
>> launch time.
>>
>
> Can depend on what (bundled) extensions are included, for example.
>
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Re: problem in fixing a bug in calc

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hey Ram,

Have you tried one of the later released branches currently there is 4.0.3
out and it would probably be best to work of that branch.


On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:17 PM, RD Vaishnav  wrote:

> Hi.. I am Ram Dayal Vaishnav, a student from NIT Trichy, India. I am a
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>
> I want to fix a very simple bug in the libre office Version
> 4.0.0.0.alpha1. I want to enable Horizontal AutoFill in calc.
>
> I am made changes in libo/sc/source/ui/view/viewfun2.cxx (in funciton
> replace ScViewFunc::FillCrossDblClick())
>
> Now when I run /libo/install/program/.scalc it doesn't show any change. I
> think I am missing something (may be I need to compile/build this code so
> that it can reflect changes to ./soffice or ./calc file)
>
> kindly help me out, thanks in advance
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Thorsten I think as well you forgot a useful feature being able to reply to
the patch sets through an email as I had previously mentioned.


On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Thorsten Behrens <
t...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 12:16:51AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> > > And then people will cross-post,
> >
> > Why? I dont see anyone posting to the gerrit list directly at
> > all. If you want you comment on that do it in a comment on gerrit
> > (send via email or whatever).  This is what people are doing right
> > now -- I rarely see someone to reply on a a gerrit mail on the
> > dev-list (and that is a Good Thing as replying on the dev-list keeps
> > the stuff invisible on gerrit).
> >
> Ok - but then I see even less reason for another list, if it is
> read-only. Gerrit already lets me get email for any number of events,
> with filters & all. So if additional action is necessary anyway -
> which subscribing to a 2nd list is - why not suggest to everyone
> interested to customize his or her own private gerrit firehose?
>
> > The folks on the dev-list are already missing more than half of the
> > discussion as as Lionel notes the mailing list does not get the
> > comments -- which it where almost ~all the interesting stuff
> > happens. So the firehose we have right now is sprinkling you enough
> > to get wet, but not enough to get clean.
> >
> Sure. But it seems people appreciate the occasional email poke about
> new patches - why else was there the suggestion to have a daily digest
> from the gerrit list?
>
> > Subscribing a second list is not a lot of effort -- probably a lot
> > less effort than the custom filtering ~everyone is doing right now,
> > while still having to poll gerrit to see the comments (which are the
> > relevant bits).
> >
> I'm with you that the current situation leaves something to be
> desired. I just disagree with the proposed solution, which in my mind
> does not help anyone with deeper interest in LibreOffice hacking -
> they'd have to subscribe to two lists, get even more email, and need
> even more filtering to stay afloat.
>
> To keep this constructive, my alternative proposal would be:
>
>  - cut down current gerrit email somewhat, to an acceptable level
>* it seems there is ~consensus that at least new patches should be
>  notified to the list
>  - educate folks on how to make use of gerrit's Watch / Notification
>feature - it should be possible to get the equivalent of the
>proposed new list setup individually, no?
>  - encourage to have larger discussions on the dev list - hackers
>watching such a discussion on gerrit could simply fwd the
>notification email to the dev-list. That hopefully prevents the
>'oh, decision $foo happened on that other list' argument, and
>ghettoization into pro-hackers and volunteer hackers lists.
>
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What would be nice i think is being able to respond to the patch set which
is on gerrit via email, like you can do with bugzilla no?


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Arnhold wrote:

> On 02.05.2013 17:39, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>
>> If we remove all the [PATCH] from the ML, what is left ? a
>>> dev-discuss list ?
>>>
>>>  It is already now the case that there is a disconnect between
>> discussing code, or a concrete problem, and the subsequent gerrit
>> patch submission (case in point: 
>> https://gerrit.libreoffice.**org/3699<https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/3699>
>> ,
>> https://gerrit.libreoffice.**org/3698<https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/3698>and
>>  Noel Grandin's conversion
>> operators for UNO thread), I'm very hesitant to widen that gap.
>>
>> Devil's advocate question: with that two-list proposal, where to
>> discuss a given patch? ;)
>>
>
> Hm right. Given the current state that gerrit patches are only "dumped" on
> the ML a second list seems reasonable. But Norberts and Lionels arguments
> are right, there is a need for discussion of that patches which is not
> possible at the moment.
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Don't u consider sending nothing to report spam in a way?
On May 2, 2013 9:42 AM, "Jean-Baptiste Faure" 
wrote:

> Le 02/05/2013 07:49, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
> > If there is nothing to report is it necessary to send anything out at
> all?
>
> Perhaps: if you do not receive anything, you do not know if there
> nothing to receive or if there is a problem on the sender side or on the
> receiver side or if the link between them is broken.
>
> JBF
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Tor Lillqvist  > <mailto:t...@iki.fi>> wrote:
> >
> > > Next question to ask though with daily digests how many times a
> > day will they be sent out?
> >
> > Every few hours definitely, except on Mondays of odd-numbered weeks
> > when the daily digest should be sent just twice. And if there is
> > nothing to digest, they should say so, "Nothing to report".
> >
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What is the overall concensus here.

Daily digests of a given frequency and if there is nothing dont send out
anything?


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:

>
> If there is nothing to report is it necessary to send anything out at all?
>>
>
> Ah. Good point, I would never have thought of that!
>
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

If there is nothing to report is it necessary to send anything out at all?


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:

> > Next question to ask though with daily digests how many times a day will
> they be sent out?
>
> Every few hours definitely, except on Mondays of odd-numbered weeks when
> the daily digest should be sent just twice. And if there is nothing to
> digest, they should say so, "Nothing to report".
>
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Next question to ask though with daily digests how many times a day will
they be sent out? would they be sent out every hour every few hours once to
twice a day?


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Winfried Donkers <
w.donk...@dci-electronics.nl> wrote:

> > So, is there anyone who is _not_ a sponsored developer opposing to kill
> the
> > mail spammage? If so:
> >
> > - could this be mitigated by a separate gerrit-patches mailing list?
> > - could this be mitigated by a daily digest of "gerrit news"?
> > - could this be mitigated by other means?
>
> I would be happy with a daily digest.
>
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Re: Killing the gerrit to dev-list spam ...

[Jonathan Aquilina]

+1 to JBF's suggestion usualy when i get these emails I instantly delete
them.


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Le 01/05/2013 21:33, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit :
> [...]
> >
> > So, is there anyone who is _not_ a sponsored developer opposing to kill
> the mail
> > spammage? If so:
> >
> [...]
> >
> > Opinions?
>
> Even if I am able to filter gerrit mails, I agree that a separate
> gerrit-patches mailing list would be better.
>
> Best regards.
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Re: lots of warnings after header changes

[Jonathan Aquilina]

What would be the necessary steps for one to take to remove them and start
that cleanup?



On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM, David Tardon  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:49:30AM +0200, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> > Hey guys im building master on mac and im getting alot of warnings
> >
> > Jonathan-Aquilinas-iMac:core eagles051387$ time make
> > /usr/bin/make -j 4 -rs -f /Users/eagles051387/core/Makefile.gbuild
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/Library_basebmp.mk:27:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/inc/ do not exist
> >
> > are these something to worry about?
>
> No, they are harmless. I put that check in so we can find and drop them,
> to keep the makefiles clean.
>
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Re: Build LibreOffice on Mac OS X

[Jonathan Aquilina]

10.7 works fine just need command line tools installed only no
environmental variables needed either.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Tor Lillqvist  wrote:

> > 10.6 SDK is from Xcode 4.3.2 dmg.
>
> Why do you insist on using that? If you just use the existing stuff in
> your current Xcode, it should (hopefully) be easier to build. No
> complex CC, CXX, OBJCFLAGS, OBJCXXFLAGS, CXXCPP etc environment
> variables should be necessary. (But then, I haven't built on 10.7
> sizne 10.8 came out, so I don't have recent personal experience.)
> Anyway, I think you are complicating things for yourself;) The intent
> is that the configury finds the ideal compiler and SDK to use.
>
> Did you read https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Setup_OS_X ?
>
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Re: lots of warnings after header changes

[Jonathan Aquilina]

confirmed after make clean on mac as well but interestingly enough my build
is still running.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure <
jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org> wrote:

> Le 24/04/2013 06:49, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
> > Hey guys im building master on mac and im getting alot of warnings
>
> The same for me on Ubuntu 12.04 x86-64 even after a make clean and a
> make distclean.
>
> Best regards.
> JBF
>
> >
> > Jonathan-Aquilinas-iMac:core eagles051387$ time make
> > /usr/bin/make -j 4 -rs -f /Users/eagles051387/core/Makefile.gbuild
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/Library_basebmp.mk:27:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/inc/ do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/CppunitTest_basebmp.mk:12:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/inc/ do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basegfx/Library_basegfx.mk:29:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/basegfx/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_canvasfactory.mk:37:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_canvastools.mk:33:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_nullcanvas.mk:33:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_simplecanvas.mk:33:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_vclcanvas.mk:33:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/Library_comphelper.mk:29:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/CppunitTest_comphelper_test.mk:29:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/cppcanvas/Library_cppcanvas.mk:24:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/cppcanvas/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/drawinglayer/Library_drawinglayer.mk:14:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/drawinglayer/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/Library_i18nlangtag.mk:36:
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> >
> /Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/CppunitTest_i18nlangtag_test_languagetag.mk:40:
> >
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> > [WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
> > /Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/inc do not exist
> > [WARN  ] !!!
> >
> >
> > are these something to worry about?
> >
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lots of warnings after header changes

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Hey guys im building master on mac and im getting alot of warnings

Jonathan-Aquilinas-iMac:core eagles051387$ time make
/usr/bin/make -j 4 -rs -f /Users/eagles051387/core/Makefile.gbuild
/Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/Library_basebmp.mk:27:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/inc/ do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/CppunitTest_basebmp.mk:12:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/basebmp/inc/ do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/basegfx/Library_basegfx.mk:29:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/basegfx/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_canvasfactory.mk:37:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_canvastools.mk:33:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_nullcanvas.mk:33:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_simplecanvas.mk:33:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/Library_vclcanvas.mk:33:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/canvas/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/Library_comphelper.mk:29:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/CppunitTest_comphelper_test.mk:29:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/comphelper/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/cppcanvas/Library_cppcanvas.mk:24:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/cppcanvas/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/drawinglayer/Library_drawinglayer.mk:14:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/drawinglayer/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/Library_i18nlangtag.mk:36:
[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!
/Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/CppunitTest_i18nlangtag_test_languagetag.mk:40:

[WARN  ] !!!
[WARN  ] !!! gb_LinkTarget_set_include: include paths
/Users/eagles051387/core/i18nlangtag/inc do not exist
[WARN  ] !!!


are these something to worry about?

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Re: Build LibreOffice on Mac OS X

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Raphael make sure you have the command line tools installed through xcode
as well.


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> New report about building LibreOffice on a clean Mac OS X 10.7/XCode 4.5.
>
> 10.6 SDK is from Xcode 4.3.2 dmg.
>
> I switch to Libro 4 from git://gerrit.libreoffice.org/core
>
> Here the present compilers :
>
>  Apple clang version 2.1 (tags/Apple/clang-163.7.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
>  /usr/bin/clang
>
>  gcc version 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.11.00)
>  /usr/bin/i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2
>
>  gcc version 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)
>  /usr/local/bin/gcc-4.2
>  Get from
> https://github.com/downloads/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer/GCC-10.7-v2.pkg
>
> Note : Clang is the default compiler
>
> Builds failed with each of their compilers.
>
> My last autogen.sh configuration :
> ./autogen.sh  --without-doxygen --disable-python --without-help \
> --without-helppack-integration --without-myspell-dicts
>  --with-macosx-sdk=10.6 \
> CC="/usr/bin/clang -m32" \
> CXX="/usr/bin/clang++ -m32" \
> OBJCFLAGS=" -isysroot
> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk"
> \
> OBJCXXFLAGS=" -isysroot
> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk"
>
> OBJCFLAGS and OBJCXXFLAGS are to force to not search includes in
> /Developper
>
> I force compiler with CC and CCXX, preprocessor with
> CXXCPP="/usr/bin/i686-apple-darwin11-g++-4.2.1 -E"
> Maybe I should try different linkers.
>
> I get a different error for each combination, like this one :
>
> [build LNK] Library/updatefeed.uno.dylib
> Undefined symbols for architecture i386:
>   "[build LNK] Library/libupdchk.dylib
> com::sun::star::uno::Reference::operator
> com::sun::star::uno::Reference const&()
> const", referenced from:
>   non-virtual thunk to pq_sdbc_driver::BaseResultSet::getStatement()in
> pq_baseresultset.o
>
>
> May you post your complete toolchain ?
>
> Best regards,
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Re: Build failure on master with OSX - datetime.hxx

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I just left a build running while i was away 52min later it was successful
build on master for me :)


On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Alex Thurgood wrote:

> Le 19/04/2013 18:33, Lionel Elie Mamane a écrit :
>
> Hi Lionel,
>
> > This should be fixed by
> >
> > commit ec49915442055f5b8f0055f2c250a0da096a3c1b
> > Author: Stephan Bergmann 
> > Date:   Fri Apr 19 17:05:55 2013 +0200
> >
> > Wrap large values in SAL_CONST_UINT64
> >
>
> Thanks, am going to check on the machine later today.
>
> Alex
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Re: Error while running a Daily Build

[Jonathan Aquilina]

One thing that strikes me as weird is that it has rpm in the title. Is that
an rpm download and you used some package converter such as alien to
convert it to a debian?

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure <
jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> Le 15/04/2013 21:03, Sameer Deshmukh a écrit :
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I downloaded and successfully installed an LO daily build on my Ubuntu
> 32 bit PC. While Writer from the daily build I'm getting the following
> error:
> Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
>
> Can someone please help?
>
> The build package downloaded was this:
>
> master~2013-04-15_11.27.08_LibreOfficeDev_4.1.0.0.alpha0_Linux_x86-64_rpm.tar.gz
> I could not find a 32 bit thing anywhere so downloaded this one?
>
> Could the error be because of that?
>
>  Yes, generally you can't run a 64 bits program on a 32 bits OS.
>
> Best regards.
> JBF
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Re: Configuration failure on Mac with 10.6 SDK in configure/gnutls when attempting build from master

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I can confirm this building against the 10.7 sdk the question becomes what
change is causing this. How can one see what changes were made to the
configuration scripts?


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Alexander Thurgood <
alex.thurg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 15/04/13 12:13, David Tardon a écrit :
>
>
> > Well, have you tried to look at what autoconf generated on that line?
>
>
> 37515  else
> 37516  GNUTLS_CFLAGS=$pkg_cv_GNUTLS_CFLAGS
> 37517 GNUTLS_LIBS=$pkg_cv_GNUTLS_LIBS
> 37518 { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: yes" >&5
> 37519 "echo{ECHO_T}yes" >&6; }
> 37520  :
> 37521  fi
> 37522  fi
>
>
> which is quite simply gobbledygook to me.
>
>
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Question regarding a check in configure for XML::Parser

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am looking at Archive::Zip  in configure file

{ echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for required Perl modules" >&5
echo $ECHO_N "checking for required Perl modules... $ECHO_C" >&6; }
if `$PERL -e 'use Archive::Zip; use Cwd; use Digest::MD5'`; then
{ echo "$as_me:$LINENO: result: all modules found" >&5
echo "${ECHO_T}all modules found" >&6; }
else
{ { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: Failed to find some modules" >&5
echo "$as_me: error: Failed to find some modules" >&2;}
   { (exit 1); exit 1; }; }
fi

Question becomes what do i need to do if there is an else to have it
automatically installed during the script as it needs to be run as root. do
i change the error and add details on how to install the module?

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Re: plans with libmerged

[Jonathan Aquilina]

If we are planning to try and modularize each aspect of LO to the point
where it could be built on its own with out the rest of the suite, wouldnt
it be best to merge libs that have to do with their appropriate apsect of
the program writer has all its respective libs merged, and then anything
that is common to all aspects has its own merged lib with just the common
libs etc?


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 17:08 -0400, Peter Foley wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Tomáš Chvátal 
> wrote:
> > > This  switch all/core/no sound pretty cool.
> > > Libreoffice is currently built with mergedlib enabled on opensuse and
> gentoo
> > > in production and there are no visible issues (currently master fails
> tests
> > > [so i turned off my tinderbox after having it fail for a week] but hey
> the
> > > app still runs fine).
> >
> > Right now libmerged seems to be causing very strange crashes in the unit
> tests.
> > I'm trying to figure out what exactly is going wrong, but any help
> > would be appreciated.
>
> IMHO we really do need a small re-think here; the primary use-case
> I
> was aware of for libmerged is to enable more LTO, and faster start-up.
>
> I rather suspect that merging all the components: base, writer,
> calc
> etc. into the libmerged may not help startup on lots of hardware; so I'm
> curious as to the plan there.
>
> If we break the unit tests by doing that, almost certainly we'll
> break
> the run-time functionality too :-) so - prolly rather better to back
> that stuff out until it works. So I'll merge this:
>
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/3280
>
> Peter - any chance of tweaking your use-case to include those
> libraries
> that you want merged in there (assuming you do) conditionally with a
> non-default configure switch as Matus suggests ?
>
> I believe Matus is trying to get this into a more reliable and
> ship-able state for Raspberry Pi, so until we've nailed the regressions
> and thought this through some more, I'd prefer to take a step back and
> re-think if that's ok ?
>
> Peter - did you get any further with the graphics filters ? at some
> stage, I suspect that they are doing some oslLoadModule to load the
> graphics driver pieces - that might be going wrong.
>
> If there is some symbol overlap problem, you could try to find that
> like this:
>
> for a in *.so; do echo $a ; readelf -s $a --wide  | grep -v UND | cut
> -c52-; done > /tmp/symbols.txt
> sort /tmp/symbols.txt | uniq -c | sort -n | less
>
> I'd start by using readelf --dyn-syms perhaps and then use -s if
> that
> fails; of course you want to reverse grep _ZThn and _ZTV etc. and
> manually ignore inlined methods which are expected to be duplicated but
> are hopefully the same everywhere (due to the ODR).
>
> Beyond that - debugging, and careful unwinding back to what is
> going
> wrong with image load/export would be good - I'd use gdb to see where
> your pointer got corrupted (IIRC I gave some pointers to that in the
> past on the list?).
>
>     HTH,
>
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Amazon Cloud

[Jonathan Aquilina]

All it would be I'm imagining is it would be like a virtual private server.
In the long term. I think I TTF would still be quite expensive
On Mar 30, 2013 2:44 PM, "Florian Effenberger" <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> we have received a voucher for the Amazon Cloud, and after playing with it
> for a while, I think it could be a good extension for our current
> infrastructure.
>
> I would not use it for extending our general infrastructure, as
> synchronizing data between two datacenters with different frameworks can be
> tedious, but for booking compute power when needed, I think it's a good
> thing - in other words, using it as on-demand compile cluster.
>
> Anyone has already experience with using the Amazon Cloud for compiling?
> From what I have heard, creating Windows builds would be not such a good
> choice - not only is the Windows compute time more expensive than the Linux
> one, but it seems that in addition, "real iron" seems to be better.
>
> However, for other buildbot/tinderbox tasks, is there anyone who already
> has experience? Otherwise, I'll investigate a bit on my own and see how we
> can make best use of it.
>
> Florian
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RE: talkyoo issues

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Petr 

If you need some help admining things im more than happy to help. I have an 
idea of how this VoIP stuff works.

-Original Message-
From: Petr Mladek [mailto:pmla...@suse.cz] 
Sent: 29 March 2013 13:22
To: Florian Effenberger
Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; 'Reisinger'; 'libreoffice-dev'; 'Libreoffice-qa'; 
'Bjoern Michaelsen'; 'Christian Lohmaier'; bishop.robin...@gmail.com; 'Joren'
Subject: Re: talkyoo issues

Florian Effenberger píše v Pá 29. 03. 2013 v 11:55 +0100:
> Hi,
> 
> Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-03-29 11:48:
> > Quick Google turned up this
> > http://www.voipvoip.com/virtual-phone-number/germany.html  is this 
> > what we would want?
> 
> no. As said on IRC: "You can receive 2 concurrent calls with your 
> international virtual phone number"
> 
> That doesn't work for us...

Just for record. We are going to do some more testing with talkyoo the 
following week. It seems to be working for other teams, so there must be a 
problem how we used it in the QA call.

IMHO, we should use normal phone to open the line. Also we should use normal 
phone in countries where the free phone number is available.

BTW: I personally have newer had problems to open the line or join the call 
operated by talkyoo. Also the sound was always very good even when I used skype.

I think that we just need to invest some effort into debugging the problems 
that others have. It is great that we got contact to Christian and Florian who 
have mor experience with it and could help.


Best Regards,
Petr


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RE: talkyoo issues

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Quick Google turned up this
http://www.voipvoip.com/virtual-phone-number/germany.html is this what we
would want? 

-Original Message-
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: 29 March 2013 11:39
To: Jonathan Aquilina
Cc: 'Reisinger'; 'Bjoern Michaelsen'; 'Joren'; 'libreoffice-dev';
'Libreoffice-qa'; 'Petr Mladek'; 'Christian Lohmaier';
bishop.robin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: talkyoo issues

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-03-29 11:35:
> If they don't provide sip connectivity how does their current setup 
> work, they have to have some sort of sip trunk provider that they are
using.
>
> Florian I'll talk to you on irc at some point about this.

they surely use SIP, but they do not open it up for third parties. In other
words: There is no way to connect e.g. a TDF-Asterisk-box to talkyoo via
SIP. They do not offer that, they only provide phone connectivity to the
outside world.

Florian

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RE: talkyoo issues

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I'll need to do some research there has to be a way though for someone like
the TDF which a non-profit organization to obtain toll free numbers

-Original Message-
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: 29 March 2013 11:39
To: Jonathan Aquilina
Cc: 'Reisinger'; 'Bjoern Michaelsen'; 'Joren'; 'libreoffice-dev';
'Libreoffice-qa'; 'Petr Mladek'; 'Christian Lohmaier';
bishop.robin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: talkyoo issues

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-03-29 11:35:
> If they don't provide sip connectivity how does their current setup 
> work, they have to have some sort of sip trunk provider that they are
using.
>
> Florian I'll talk to you on irc at some point about this.

they surely use SIP, but they do not open it up for third parties. In other
words: There is no way to connect e.g. a TDF-Asterisk-box to talkyoo via
SIP. They do not offer that, they only provide phone connectivity to the
outside world.

Florian

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RE: talkyoo issues

[Jonathan Aquilina]

If they don't provide sip connectivity how does their current setup work,
they have to have some sort of sip trunk provider that they are using.

Florian I'll talk to you on irc at some point about this.

-Original Message-
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: 29 March 2013 11:32
To: Jonathan Aquilina
Cc: 'Reisinger'; 'Bjoern Michaelsen'; 'Joren'; 'libreoffice-dev';
'Libreoffice-qa'; 'Petr Mladek'; 'Christian Lohmaier';
bishop.robin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: talkyoo issues

Hi,

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-03-29 11:29:
> If they are willing to contribute to open source, does it mean we have 
> no way to use these toll free numbers and use talkyoo as a sip trunk 
> provider none the less

sorry, what? I don't get your question.
talkyoo does not provide SIP connectivity, I already asked them a few months
ago.

Florian

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RE: talkyoo issues

[Jonathan Aquilina]

If they are willing to contribute to open source, does it mean we have no
way to use these toll free numbers and use talkyoo as a sip trunk provider
none the less


-Original Message-
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: 29 March 2013 11:19
To: Jonathan Aquilina
Cc: Reisinger; Bjoern Michaelsen; Joren; libreoffice-dev; Libreoffice-qa;
Petr Mladek; Christian Lohmaier; bishop.robin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: talkyoo issues

No, unfortunately not - we cannot get SIP routing for these numbers, and if
we were to buy numbers in foreign countries, it would cost a few hundred if
not thousand EUR per month...

Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-03-28 23:47:
> I have a suggestion. Would it be possible to have another VoIP server 
> such as asterisk using the same numbers as a backup in case talkyoo 
> has issues?
>

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Re: talkyoo issues

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I have a suggestion. Would it be possible to have another VoIP server such
as asterisk using the same numbers as a backup in case talkyoo has issues?
On Mar 28, 2013 7:35 PM, "Florian Effenberger" <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Christian kindly forwarded me the e-mail about talkyoo. Sorry to hear
> there have been issues.
>
> In general, using Skype is *not* recommended. It *will* cause problems, it
> *is* a pain, so be warned. ;-)
>
> However, phone should work. Those of you who had problems, can you please
> e-mail me date, time, and your phone provider plus the dial-in number you
> used, so I could file a ticket with talkyoo? I assume it's some routing
> issues to certain phone providers, but I need to investigate that...
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Florian
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RE: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I was thinking mumble can still be used but not as a callin solution. I
think it can be used in conjunction with irc to discuss dev issues or even
qa issues.

-Original Message-
From: Bjoern Michaelsen [mailto:bjoern.michael...@canonical.com] 
Sent: 28 March 2013 18:05
To: Christian Lohmaier
Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Joel Madero; Petr Mladek; Florian Reisinger;
libreoffice-dev; Libreoffice-qa; Robinson Tryon; Joren
Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 05:37:53PM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> Don't understand the requirements for such a system - but if you want 
> to work on it, then seek for a solution to bridge mumble (or any
> internet-only-subsitute) with talkyoo (or any other landline-reachable 
> tool).
> ...
> But again: this ain't so easy as it sounds at first...

Pirate Party Germany did some work on this:

 http://wiki.piratenbrandenburg.de/AG_Technik/Tools/MumbleTelkoBridge
 http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/AG_Entwicklung/Sip2MumbleBridge

Doesnt seem trivial indeed.

Best,

Bjoern

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RE: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

[Jonathan Aquilina]

If we are wanting to add support for instance for Google video etc. jabber
is the protocol we use and its open source too.

-Original Message-
From: Robinson Tryon [mailto:bishop.robin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 March 2013 17:41
To: Christian Lohmaier
Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Petr Mladek; Florian Reisinger; libreoffice-dev;
Libreoffice-qa; Bjoern Michaelsen; Joren; Joel Madero
Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
>> If talkyoo is free why host it on TDF hardware?
>
> And it is not hosted on TDF-hardware. But talkyoo generously does 
> provide the service to the TDF free of charge.

Ah, okay. I didn't know that Talkyoo provides us service free of charge.
That's very nice of them. I'll make a note about that on the Talkyoo wiki
page.

The biggest drawback with Talkyoo I see right now is the fact that there's
no way to connect to a conference call from your computer using Free
Software. We develop LibreOffice as a part of our stated goal of "spreading
the philosophical and cultural ideals of FLOSS,"
but the only software I can use to join a conference call is Skype.

I don't know what kind of connectivity software Talkyoo is using for their
infrastructure, but perhaps we can talk with them about making it possible
to connect using some other piece of (Free/Libre) software? Is there someone
on their team that I can talk to?

I'd definitely put in a strong plug for the no-extra-software-required of
WebRTC, but any FLOSS-friendly protocol would be appreciated.

--R

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RE: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

[Jonathan Aquilina]

Christian,

Mumble won't work without some serious coding, which in my honest opinion
isn't best use of time when alternative solutions already exist such as
asterisk.

-Original Message-
From: lohma...@googlemail.com [mailto:lohma...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
Christian Lohmaier
Sent: 28 March 2013 17:38
To: Jonathan Aquilina
Cc: Joel Madero; Bjoern Michaelsen; Petr Mladek; Florian Reisinger;
libreoffice-dev; Libreoffice-qa; Robinson Tryon; Joren
Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

Hi Jonathan

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:
> How quick are you guys wanting to test this out? I have a test server 
> that Robinson and I are going to use for testing out some media wiki 
> stuff and some possible git bridges for it. Technically we could 
> probably use it as another medium for devs to meet on even just to sit 
> there and discuss things that they are working on.

Don't understand the requirements for such a system - but if you want to
work on it, then seek for a solution to bridge mumble (or any
internet-only-subsitute) with talkyoo (or any other landline-reachable
tool).

Not sure what skype (or whatever servise that allows you to call regular
phones from internet) Terms of Use say regarding this, but if you have a
server and can hook a talkyoo conference room to a mumble one, that would be
great.

Being able to call in using a regular phone is a must for some of the calls
- and having 12 different tools for different type of calls of course also
is not so ideal.

But again: this ain't so easy as it sounds at first...

ciao
Christian

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RE: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

[Jonathan Aquilina]

I am trying to get an understanding as to the issues that were faced in
regards to the call on the 22nd.

What I would be interested in is seeing if talkyoo would still be willing to
act like a sip trunk provider but the TDF on tiff hardware sets up asterisk.

-Original Message-
From: lohma...@googlemail.com [mailto:lohma...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of
Christian Lohmaier
Sent: 28 March 2013 17:20
To: Jonathan Aquilina
Cc: Petr Mladek; Florian Reisinger; libreoffice-dev; Libreoffice-qa; Bjoern
Michaelsen; Robinson Tryon; Joren; Joel Madero
Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

Hi Jonathan, *,

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jonathan Aquilina 
wrote:
> Is talkyoo free and open source? We can add it to the list of things to
test in terms of other things that Robinson and I can work on if you guys
are so interested?
>
> If talkyoo is free why host it on TDF hardware?

It is not free software (and i mean most of it is providing the toll-free
landline telephone numbers in various countries - that cannot be covered by
any software)

And it is not hosted on TDF-hardware. But talkyoo generously does provide
the service to the TDF free of charge.

ciao
Christian

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