Re: [Libreoffice] Bug triaging - bugs in OOo code base

2011-01-22 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 07/01/2011 Alexander Thurgood wrote:
 A question to the developers, which will inevitably become more
 important as things push on with LibO and the code base starts to separate :
 - what is the current approach, with regard to bug triaging, to bugs
 caused by the OOo code base ?

This indeed will become important after the imminent 3.3 release.

The outcome of the OOoCon 2010 presentation by 
Charles H. Schulz and Mechtilde Stehmann
http://www.ooocon.org/index.php/ooocon/2010/paper/view/170
was to report everything on the OOo Issue Tracker and setting a keyword
there (we had an experimental alias managed by Kendy, I think). I may
be mistaken, but several people from this list were there so they might
recall better.

Videos used to be available at http://users2.ooodev.org/~ooocon2010 but
they seem unreachable at the moment.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [Libreoffice] Bug triaging - bugs in OOo code base

2011-01-11 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Wols Lists wrote:
 But all this is my personal imho, so don't take this as a guideline
 unless nobody else chips in with a more definitive statement ...
 
Nothing definitive either, but to me, you make perfect sense here.
:)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [Libreoffice] Bug triaging - bugs in OOo code base

2011-01-08 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/01/11 18:09, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
 Hi,
 A question to the developers, which will inevitably become more
 important as things push on with LibO and the code base starts to separate :
 
 - what is the current approach, with regard to bug triaging, to bugs
 caused by the OOo code base ?
 
 What I mean is that do we consider them to be our own bugs, or not ?
 
 From the bug triager's point of view, it is easy to tell someone that
 this is NOTOURBUG, however, I have my doubts about that

Well, if it's in the code we're shipping then it is our bug ...

 because
 ultimately, someone who knows nothing about OOo and who has only ever
 used LibO, is not likely to understand the underpinning between the code
 bases and therefore not be entirely satisfied with the bug being
 classified as someone else's when in fact substantially the same code
 base is used. Of course, there are people who file reports knowing that
 the bug exists in the OOo codebase and hoping that the LibO devs will
 sort it out - this is a kind of catch 22 for the bug triager ? - to
 clear out or not to clear out ?
 
imho it should be classified as UPSTREAM.
 
 I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter, as it will help me to
 better sort through the bug reports.
 
It seems highly likely we are going to diverge from OOo, and that the
discrepancies will steadily grow, so this is simply YAI (yet another
instance).

Then the bug-fixers can decide whether to fix it themselves or wait for
OOo to fix it. And your someone who knows nothing about OOo can be
assured that we know about the bug, and it will (hopefully) be dealt
with. Plus, if we've got a load of bugs marked UPSTREAM it makes it a
lot easier for the OOo devs to scan our bug database and find stuff that
interests them. (Or our bugfixers can assign the patch to OOo.)
 
 Alex
 
But all this is my personal imho, so don't take this as a guideline
unless nobody else chips in with a more definitive statement ...

Cheers,
Wol
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[Libreoffice] Bug triaging - bugs in OOo code base

2011-01-07 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi,
A question to the developers, which will inevitably become more
important as things push on with LibO and the code base starts to separate :

- what is the current approach, with regard to bug triaging, to bugs
caused by the OOo code base ?

What I mean is that do we consider them to be our own bugs, or not ?

From the bug triager's point of view, it is easy to tell someone that
this is NOTOURBUG, however, I have my doubts about that because
ultimately, someone who knows nothing about OOo and who has only ever
used LibO, is not likely to understand the underpinning between the code
bases and therefore not be entirely satisfied with the bug being
classified as someone else's when in fact substantially the same code
base is used. Of course, there are people who file reports knowing that
the bug exists in the OOo codebase and hoping that the LibO devs will
sort it out - this is a kind of catch 22 for the bug triager ? - to
clear out or not to clear out ?


I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter, as it will help me to
better sort through the bug reports.


Alex

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