RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Marc Roos wrote >>>... > Imho there should be one 'Libre office online' the one from Libre > office(The Document Foundation). If collabra has a different version > than that should be crystal clear. Why is collabra not using the name > collabra oline? > ... I suppose it won't change anything but I totally agree with your whole message. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Dev-f1639786.html ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Hi Michael, in the medium/long run, the *ODFDOM changes* approach might be quite promising for both LibreOffice desktop and Libre/CollaboraOffice Online. Probably still enormous effort in the LibreOffice core, but it seems to be a future-proof concept. The concept that Svante has been working on aims at exchanging changes and is cross-application, ultimately a part of the ODF standard. This seems to put the level of collaborative editing much higher. It would be great if LibreOffice is one of the pilot apps for the approach. The description of the concept and code is here: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133984#c8 and https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133984 Here two presentations on the approach: * https://libocon.org/assets/Conference/Almeria/Svante-Interoperable-Office-CollaborationwithNotes.pdf Presentation 2019 on Interoperable Office Collaboration (Svante Schubert) * https://github.com/svanteschubert/odftoolkit/raw/odf-changes/LibOCon2018%20%20-%20Interoperable%20Office%20Collaboration.pdf Presentation 2018 on Interoperable Office Collaboration by Svante Schubert (more detailed than 2019 presentation) Best, Gerry Am 15.12.20 um 18:09 schrieb Michael Meeks: > Hi Marc, > > A few thoughts on this thread: > > On 15/12/2020 11:36, Marc Roos wrote: >>> What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. >> Calc has a share option now not ? > This is a development mailing list; it is great to ask questions around > the code. There are two approaches to Collaboration as you've seen the > COOL approach (poke in #cool-dev on IRC), and the Telepathy approach > that Caolan kindly pointed to below inside LibreOffice. > >> Where multiple users should be able to >> edit the same version. I think that is nice, I prefer to have such a >> thing more for write, but it is a nice start. I think it is not 100% ok, >> because I did not get any updated changes of others, or I am not using >> it correctly. > The telepathy prototype is no longer included - but the patch Caolan > pointed at has an attempt to pull out a set of 'operations' that might > work for spreadsheets, and could be built on. I expect some of the core > re-factoring to make this easier is still present. > > This mailing list is a great for developers to discuss resurrecting and > extending that - it's a generally useful feature - although it is really > far from trivial to implement, even with the synchronous event model > that was imagined and integral to the Telepathy attempt. > > Personally I'd recommend trying instead to make LOK more deterministic, > and doing this at the LOK user / input event layer: but even that is > rather tricky - consider a sort of some data via a column populated with > =RAND() as a banal example - and needing to synchronize that across > multiple users. > > Anyhow - I'm happy to help with any code suggestions / reviews as/when > you have a core build and are ready to go there. I would recommend reading: > > https://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/2013-10-09-collaboration.pdf > > first for some more background. We chose to go a different route with > Collabora Online - which should be much easier - but like anything > complex in practice is really hard to get right too =) > > HTH, > > Michael. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Caolán McNamara [mailto:caol...@redhat.com] >> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:41 PM >> To: Stu >> Cc: libreoffice >> Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative >> use of libreoffice applications? >> >> On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 07:56 -0500, Stu wrote: >>> What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. >> For a while we have an experimental --enable-telepathy option, so >> searching for "telepathy libreoffice" will throw up some old attempts >> similar to that. e.g. >> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62722 but eventually >> effort in that direction was dropped with >> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b7b159d79c2b4ec53915e0b9c3e28912c289a5ba ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Hi Marc, A few thoughts on this thread: On 15/12/2020 11:36, Marc Roos wrote: >> What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. > > Calc has a share option now not ? This is a development mailing list; it is great to ask questions around the code. There are two approaches to Collaboration as you've seen the COOL approach (poke in #cool-dev on IRC), and the Telepathy approach that Caolan kindly pointed to below inside LibreOffice. > Where multiple users should be able to > edit the same version. I think that is nice, I prefer to have such a > thing more for write, but it is a nice start. I think it is not 100% ok, > because I did not get any updated changes of others, or I am not using > it correctly. The telepathy prototype is no longer included - but the patch Caolan pointed at has an attempt to pull out a set of 'operations' that might work for spreadsheets, and could be built on. I expect some of the core re-factoring to make this easier is still present. This mailing list is a great for developers to discuss resurrecting and extending that - it's a generally useful feature - although it is really far from trivial to implement, even with the synchronous event model that was imagined and integral to the Telepathy attempt. Personally I'd recommend trying instead to make LOK more deterministic, and doing this at the LOK user / input event layer: but even that is rather tricky - consider a sort of some data via a column populated with =RAND() as a banal example - and needing to synchronize that across multiple users. Anyhow - I'm happy to help with any code suggestions / reviews as/when you have a core build and are ready to go there. I would recommend reading: https://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/2013-10-09-collaboration.pdf first for some more background. We chose to go a different route with Collabora Online - which should be much easier - but like anything complex in practice is really hard to get right too =) HTH, Michael. > -Original Message- > From: Caolán McNamara [mailto:caol...@redhat.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:41 PM > To: Stu > Cc: libreoffice > Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative > use of libreoffice applications? > > On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 07:56 -0500, Stu wrote: >> What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. > > For a while we have an experimental --enable-telepathy option, so > searching for "telepathy libreoffice" will throw up some old attempts > similar to that. e.g. > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62722 but eventually > effort in that direction was dropped with > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b7b159d79c2b4ec53915e0b9c3e28912c289a5ba -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Hi Marc, I'm really sorry that this whole stuff around LibreOffice Online and Collabora Online is confusing now. TDF is working on decisions around this topic, so hopefully, it will be more clear in the near future. One thing you should aware of in general, that the LibreOffice community consists of individuals and companies (ecosystem). Also, independent individuals are equally good members of the community as individuals working at a company. What matters is the contribution made to the project (e.g. meritocracy). Imho there should be one 'Libre office online' the one from Libre > office(The Document Foundation). If collabra has a different version > than that should be crystal clear. Why is collabra not using the name > collabra oline? > Collabora in fact uses Collabora Online name for its Online version. > I think this collabra would be pretty pissed, if I start developing a > product under 'Collabra online'. Furthermore why are then Collabra > people on the libre office mailing list, if they even uphold such > distinction between their version and the libre office online version? > LibreOffice mailing list can be used by anyone, who would like to discuss topics about LibreOffice development. Collabora is a large contributor both for LibreOffice Core and LibreOffice Online. > And when writing this, I thought about looking at github and there is > again the libreoffice online account[2] also 'hijacked' by collabra > people. I honestly do not get why on a libreoffice online github, big is > written 'collabra online'. > TDF Board made a decision recently to mirror Collabora's online repo to LibreOffice Online repository. That's why you see Collabora Online name in a LibreOffice Online repository. See the mail thread about the vote of this decision: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/VOTE-LibreOffice-Online-repository-and-translations-td4291723.html You can find more info about the context of this decision on the Board-Discuss mailing list. Why does this collabra not use an own repository? I have read a bit the > trade mark policy[1] of the document foundation. I think Collabra is > clearly breaching this 'its use be non-confusing.' clause. > Collabora in fact has its own repository: https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online Best Regards, Tamás ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
> but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just
run libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's on
that > webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on.
I am having same impression. You actually do not need a cloud, for me it
was just a 'bridge' to edit docs on a thin client like a tablet that I
do not want to connect to a network share. I would not even use this a
lot, but I thought it would be easy and quick to realize, after seeing
the videos on youtube with all this bla bla on how libre office online
is so nice.
-Original Message-
From: Stu [mailto:n...@exprodigy.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:56 PM
To: Marc Roos
Cc: tml; libreoffice
Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative
use of libreoffice applications?
Well, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or a drama episode or
anything. I didn't know collabawhatever was a thing.
but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just
run libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's on
that webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on.
I'm a big fan of fat clients. ms word and libre office will always be
superior to google docs (in my opinion only obviously) because it runs
locally on my machine. What I was getting at was a way to make a fat
client collaborative.
But if there's no interest, I'll drop it.
Thanks for the info.
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marc Roos
wrote:
:) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre
office
online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment
running
that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients.
Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other
products/services.
-Original Message-
Cc: nixo; libreoffice
Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about
collaborative
use of libreoffice applications?
Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office
mailing
list The question is clearly about libre office.
Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my
popcorn.
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RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
> > :) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office >> online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment running >> that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. >> Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other >> products/services. > >If you want a LibreOffice Online that isn't from Collabora, feel free to >develop it yourself. The Document Foundation will welcome your >contributions. If you can't or won't do that, feel free to use Collabora >Online Development Edition for free. Imho there should be one 'Libre office online' the one from Libre office(The Document Foundation). If collabra has a different version than that should be crystal clear. Why is collabra not using the name collabra oline? I think this collabra would be pretty pissed, if I start developing a product under 'Collabra online'. Furthermore why are then Collabra people on the libre office mailing list, if they even uphold such distinction between their version and the libre office online version? Who is updating these docker images then the Libre office online account on dockerhub? The document foundation or is it again collabra using their product? And when writing this, I thought about looking at github and there is again the libreoffice online account[2] also 'hijacked' by collabra people. I honestly do not get why on a libreoffice online github, big is written 'collabra online'. Why does this collabra not use an own repository? I have read a bit the trade mark policy[1] of the document foundation. I think Collabra is clearly breaching this 'its use be non-confusing.' clause. Does this not mean that there are a lot of contributors out there thinking they are developing for libre office, while in fact they are working (for free) on collabra software? To be honest things are getting more vague than clear to me. >The easiest way to use Collabora Online is to install Nextcloud [0] and >then add the Collabora Office app. > That is really sad. Because the easiest way should be 'run libre office online'. The reason why I am searching for Libre Office online, is that I do not want some other software or app. I want to publish a 'write document' via a web interface so I can share it, nothing more nothing less. Why should anyone need an app or a cloud to do this. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/Trademark_Policy [2] https://github.com/LibreOffice/online ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Thanks for the info everybody. I found the mention in 2012 and it seems telepathy was the solution to the communication problem. That's basically the piece of the puzzle that I've got, and since there's already a plan, that's probably the way to go. I realize it's a huge undertaking which is why it's slow to get going, but it's definitely a cool idea. thanks again for the pointers. On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:46 PM Marco Marinello - Mailing lists < li...@marcomarinello.it> wrote: > Dear Stu, > > > don't worry. Marc really got a point but probably Tor believes you're not > able to declare a variable in Javascript and tries to sell you Collabora > products :-). > > There is *official* documentation about how to build, configure and run > LibreOffice Online here: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online . > > LibreOffice Online is substantially an in-browser wrapper of the core of > LibreOffice so that you have the same stability/capabilities that you have > in the desktop version, online. Collaborative editing is supported and > pretty well-working. > > You can integrate it into your application using the WOPI protocol. > > Feel free to ask in the ML if you have any problem compiling or running > LOOL. > > > Best, > > Marco > > > Il 13/12/20 13:56, Stu ha scritto: > > Well, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or a drama episode or anything. > I didn't know collabawhatever was a thing. > but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just run > libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's on that > webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on. > > I'm a big fan of fat clients. ms word and libre office will always be > superior to google docs (in my opinion only obviously) because it runs > locally on my machine. What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client > collaborative. > > But if there's no interest, I'll drop it. > > Thanks for the info. > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marc Roos > wrote: > >> >> :) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office >> online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment running >> that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. >> Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other >> products/services. >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> Cc: nixo; libreoffice >> Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative >> use of libreoffice applications? >> >> >> >> Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office >> mailing >> list The question is clearly about libre office. >> >> >> >> Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my popcorn. >> >> --tml >> >> >> >> > ___ > LibreOffice mailing > listLibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.orghttps://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice > > ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
> What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. Calc has a share option now not? Where multiple users should be able to edit the same version. I think that is nice, I prefer to have such a thing more for write, but it is a nice start. I think it is not 100% ok, because I did not get any updated changes of others, or I am not using it correctly. -Original Message- From: Caolán McNamara [mailto:caol...@redhat.com] Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:41 PM To: Stu Cc: libreoffice Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications? On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 07:56 -0500, Stu wrote: > What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. For a while we have an experimental --enable-telepathy option, so searching for "telepathy libreoffice" will throw up some old attempts similar to that. e.g. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62722 but eventually effort in that direction was dropped with https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b7b159d79c2b4ec53915e0b9c3e28912c289a5ba ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Dear Marco, Are you aware that LibreOffice Online and Collabora Online is the same thing right now, they have the same source code (different versions of the same source code). TDF is in the middle of making a decision, what to do with LibreOffice Online. LibreOffice Online master branch was cloned from Collabora Online master branch recently. I guess this is the reason for the confusion here. So please don't be disrespectful to the other community members as Tor, or Collabora as a whole (which I'm also part of). It's funny that you say Collabora does nothing, but "declare a variable in Javascript", while in the same email you are speaking about how well LibreOffice Online works, which was mostly developed by Collabora. Thanks, Tamás Marco Marinello - Mailing lists ezt írta (időpont: 2020. dec. 14., H, 21:31): > Dear Stu, > > > don't worry. Marc really got a point but probably Tor believes you're not > able to declare a variable in Javascript and tries to sell you Collabora > products :-). > > There is *official* documentation about how to build, configure and run > LibreOffice Online here: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online . > > LibreOffice Online is substantially an in-browser wrapper of the core of > LibreOffice so that you have the same stability/capabilities that you have > in the desktop version, online. Collaborative editing is supported and > pretty well-working. > > You can integrate it into your application using the WOPI protocol. > > Feel free to ask in the ML if you have any problem compiling or running > LOOL. > > > Best, > > Marco > > > Il 13/12/20 13:56, Stu ha scritto: > > Well, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or a drama episode or anything. > I didn't know collabawhatever was a thing. > but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just run > libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's on that > webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on. > > I'm a big fan of fat clients. ms word and libre office will always be > superior to google docs (in my opinion only obviously) because it runs > locally on my machine. What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client > collaborative. > > But if there's no interest, I'll drop it. > > Thanks for the info. > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marc Roos > wrote: > >> >> :) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office >> online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment running >> that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. >> Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other >> products/services. >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> Cc: nixo; libreoffice >> Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative >> use of libreoffice applications? >> >> >> >> Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office >> mailing >> list The question is clearly about libre office. >> >> >> >> Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my popcorn. >> >> --tml >> >> >> >> > ___ > LibreOffice mailing > listLibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.orghttps://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice > > ___ > LibreOffice mailing list > LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice > ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Dear Stu, don't worry. Marc really got a point but probably Tor believes you're not able to declare a variable in Javascript and tries to sell you Collabora products :-). There is *official* documentation about how to build, configure and run LibreOffice Online here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice_Online . LibreOffice Online is substantially an in-browser wrapper of the core of LibreOffice so that you have the same stability/capabilities that you have in the desktop version, online. Collaborative editing is supported and pretty well-working. You can integrate it into your application using the WOPI protocol. Feel free to ask in the ML if you have any problem compiling or running LOOL. Best, Marco Il 13/12/20 13:56, Stu ha scritto: > Well, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or a drama episode or > anything. I didn't know collabawhatever was a thing. > but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just > run libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's > on that webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on. > > I'm a big fan of fat clients. ms word and libre office will always be > superior to google docs (in my opinion only obviously) because it runs > locally on my machine. What I was getting at was a way to make a fat > client collaborative. > > But if there's no interest, I'll drop it. > > Thanks for the info. > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marc Roos <mailto:m.r...@f1-outsourcing.eu>> wrote: > > > :) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office > online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment > running > that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. > Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other > products/services. > > > > > -Original Message----- > Cc: nixo; libreoffice > Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about > collaborative > use of libreoffice applications? > > > > Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office > mailing > list The question is clearly about libre office. > > > > Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my popcorn. > > --tml > > > > > ___ > LibreOffice mailing list > LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Hi Stu, your question on collaborative use of LibreOffice is a very valid question. I think no one doubts the need for proper support of collaborative editing in LibreOffice. For LibreOffice (desktop) it is necessary in order to be competitive and a requirement that it can be used in workgroups. In my work environment, there is barely any complex document, which is not shared and collaboratively edited in the team (MS-based, unfortunately LibreOffice desktop does not support this). I agree to your statement that fat clients (and here you mean LibreOffice desktop) will always be superior and thus need support for collaborative editing earlier or later. The problem is that the implementation of collaborative editing in LibreOffice (desktop) is rather complex as it requires an advanced internal change tracking system. This is a substantial effort. That's why no one dares to actually start this in the LibreOffice desktop code. There are efforts, though: Please see bug 133984: "Enhancement: Support for real-time and offline collaborative editing in LibreOffice (desktop)".The bug description lists a number of ressources for collaborative editing in LibreOffice. See the bug description: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133984. The most notable work done recently is the work by Svante which he describes here: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133984#c8 Maybe your idea links nicely to these efforts. I hope that the massive undertaking of supporting collaborative editing in LibreOffice (desktop) starts earlier than later. Best, Gerry > Well, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or a drama episode or anything. I > didn't know collabawhatever was a thing. > but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just run > libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's on that > webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on. > I'm a big fan of fat clients. ms word and libre office will always be > superior to google docs (in my opinion only obviously) because it runs > locally on my machine. What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client > collaborative. > But if there's no interest, I'll drop it. > Thanks for the info. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marc Roos https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice>> wrote: >//>/:) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office >/>/online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment running >/>/that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. />/Even the >manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other />/products/services. >/>//>//>//>//>/-Original Message- />/Cc: nixo; libreoffice />/Subject: >Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative />/use of >libreoffice applications? />//>//>//>/Why do people send collabra office stuff >on a libre office mailing />/list The question is clearly about libre >office. />//>//>//>/Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy >my popcorn. />//>/--tml />//>//>//> ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 07:56 -0500, Stu wrote: > What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. For a while we have an experimental --enable-telepathy option, so searching for "telepathy libreoffice" will throw up some old attempts similar to that. e.g. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62722 but eventually effort in that direction was dropped with https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b7b159d79c2b4ec53915e0b9c3e28912c289a5ba ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Well, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar or a drama episode or anything. I didn't know collabawhatever was a thing. but a) it looks like a commercial product? b) it sounds like they just run libreoffice on a web server and project the instance to whoever's on that webpage. c) somebody has to supply the 'cloud' that it runs on. I'm a big fan of fat clients. ms word and libre office will always be superior to google docs (in my opinion only obviously) because it runs locally on my machine. What I was getting at was a way to make a fat client collaborative. But if there's no interest, I'll drop it. Thanks for the info. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marc Roos wrote: > > :) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office > online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment running > that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. > Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other > products/services. > > > > > -----Original Message- > Cc: nixo; libreoffice > Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative > use of libreoffice applications? > > > > Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office mailing > list The question is clearly about libre office. > > > > Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my popcorn. > > --tml > > > > ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Hello Marc, IMHO I think the response is here: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online I don't know the reason but I understand it as TDF let companies like Collabora to develop online feature above LO. I think you shouldn't expect much support here for collaborative use since it's TDF. Of course, I may be wrong, I'm just an unaffiliated casual contributor. Julien -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Dev-f1639786.html ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
:) No but is really a question. I want to try a bit this libre office online and I am not even able to get a simple test environment running that creates a odt file that I can edit from multiple clients. Even the manual of libre online online ~50% writing about other products/services. -Original Message- Cc: nixo; libreoffice Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications? Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office mailing list The question is clearly about libre office. Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my popcorn. --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
> > Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office mailing > list The question is clearly about libre office. > Oh sorry then. I will now go back in the corner to enjoy my popcorn. --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
RE: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
Why do people send collabra office stuff on a libre office mailing list The question is clearly about libre office. -Original Message- To: Stu Cc: libreoffice-dev Subject: Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications? See https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online and https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online . --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
See https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online and https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online . --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Is there any effort or discussion yet about collaborative use of libreoffice applications?
I asked on reddit and they sent me here. google docs has this neat feature where multiple people can collaboratively modify a document/sheet/whatever at the same time. I figured this would be a neat, if difficult feature to add to libreoffice, if for no other reason than there's no cloud servers central to the libreoffice ecosystem that they can communicate to each other with. So for at least that part, I have a solution. I wrote this thing (or rather am still writing this thing) called zendemic http://zendemic.net and one of the things it does is allow groups of computers to talk to each other without a central cloud service required to do so. This functionality I figure can be the glue that allows different people's instances of libreoffice to communicate with each other in real time, if collaborative editing was ever going to be a thing. Any interest? Is anybody working on this? General thoughts? Am I barking up the wrong tree? ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
