Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
On 10/01/13 18:09, Caolán McNamara wrote: > On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 15:10 +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: >> There should be some button to reset formatting that leaves character >> styles intact, and that should be the "most easily accessible" option. > >> ... hyperlinks should not be touched by any "reset formatting" ... > > And that's what we've got with "clear direct formatting" at the moment, > right ? yes, that came in with the same commit that retained character styles. >> also i'm thinking that ruby text should also not be touched by "reset >> formatting", and this has not yet been changed (i.e. it is reset >> currently); the reset will actually throw away the ruby text. i'm >> already sitting on a patch to remove ruby from the reset list... > > Yeah, that makes sense to me too. You should push that. done on master in 689d9af3e3adb12c507e141cc25ac35ec88bb5c5 ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
Hi all, Sorry fr being late here... Michael Stahl wrote (10-01-13 15:10) My understanding is a) that its intentional, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html and the commit http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6e690e0909459d46c53d17e7939891abea11e566 the corresponding issues are an "interesting" read: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=47893 <- patch author arguing for the change https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=85464 <- a certain Cor reporting the change as regression :) Depends on what users expect and what has been communicated about new features ;-) i definitely think that there should be some button to reset formatting that leaves character styles intact, and that should be the "most easily accessible" option. As mentioned by others: this is how this works. And is the most used. Often just to control a piece of the documents content (cleaning up rubbish). but i wouldn't object to a second button to reset all formatting, including styles. This is a second option, used far less, and should be as easy as Copy > Paste special as Text without formatting. resetting the character styles should be as easy as setting "Default" char style on the whole document, so i'm not sure if another option is worth the additional clutter. This is a third option... Selecting a piece of text and hitting Ctrl-Shift-M (extended from Ctrl-M) would be far more easy then F11, using mouse to activate Character styles, Select/apply Default.. (Should be an easy hack, with all old changes available to look at?) but hyperlinks should not be touched by any "reset formatting" since they are not formatting, but content entities (the reset feature also doesn't convert fields to plain text). also i'm thinking that ruby text should also not be touched by "reset formatting", and this has not yet been changed (i.e. it is reset currently); the reset will actually throw away the ruby text. i'm already sitting on a patch to remove ruby from the reset list... I do not disagree on these points. Cheers, Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
Seeing David's proposed option, maybe an easy way: - Select the paragraph or the text to clear the format. - Copy - Paste special as unformatted text. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Need-confirmation-about-non-clearing-of-Character-Styles-tp4028186p4028438.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
Hi, On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 06:40:02PM +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: > Michael plaese see also my reply to Caloán > >On 10/01/13 14:25, Caolán McNamara wrote: > >resetting the character styles should be as easy as setting "Default" > >char style on the whole document, so i'm not sure if another option is > >worth the additional clutter. > if you know this work around yes > > > >but hyperlinks should not be touched by any "reset formatting" since > >they are not formatting, but content entities (the reset feature also > >doesn't convert fields to plain text). > when you works in the printing business you "must" get rid of this > kind of formating > > > >also i'm thinking that ruby text should also not be touched by "reset > >formatting", and this has not yet been changed (i.e. it is reset > >currently); the reset will actually throw away the ruby text. i'm > >already sitting on a patch to remove ruby from the reset list... > idem ditto If you want to get rid of _all_ possible formatting, why don't you save the document as plain text? :-) D. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
Caolán , thanks for the background and your atention to this problem OK but ...its still very confusing for most users they can clear all "direct formating" in the right place, the formating menu they can clear "Paragraph formating" produced by a style using the Formating Toolbar option why can they not clear Character formating produced by a style ? + there is no logic behind the clearing options when using the formating tools in the "Formating Toolbar" we can use "Clear Formating" who clears the Paragraph format who is actualy setting the slected text to the "default" paragraph style we can also do exactly the same by applying the " Default Style" to the selected text so i suppose we need to change the Formating Toolbar "Styles dropdown" - the existing option named "Clear Formating" has to name "Clear Paragraph Style Formating" - a extra option named "Clear Character Style formating" (who infact also will clear the Hyperlinks) Greetz Fernand On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 10:55 +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Sinds all or editors use LO 3.6.2 (before OO3.3) We have complains about the fact that parts of the text, who are formated with a Character Style, can not been "cleared" to no-formating, not by "Clear Direct Formating (cntrl+M)" There is a dirty work-around by applying the "Default" character style Paragraph Styles can been cleared Is this intentional behavior or a regression open for a issue ? My understanding is a) that its intentional, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html and the commit http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6e690e0909459d46c53d17e7939891abea11e566 b) that "paragraph styles" are not cleared, i.e. the text should remain using the original paragraph and character styles, but any additional properties applied on top of that is reset to the underlying paragraph and character styles properties. C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
Michael plaese see also my reply to Caloán On 10/01/13 14:25, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 10:55 +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: Sinds all or editors use LO 3.6.2 (before OO3.3) We have complains about the fact that parts of the text, who are formated with a Character Style, can not been "cleared" to no-formating, not by "Clear Direct Formating (cntrl+M)" There is a dirty work-around by applying the "Default" character style Paragraph Styles can been cleared Is this intentional behavior or a regression open for a issue ? My understanding is a) that its intentional, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html and the commit http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6e690e0909459d46c53d17e7939891abea11e566 the corresponding issues are an "interesting" read: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=47893 <- patch author arguing for the change https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=85464 <- a certain Cor reporting the change as regression :) i definitely think that there should be some button to reset formatting that leaves character styles intact, and that should be the "most easily accessible" option. but i wouldn't object to a second button to reset all formatting, including styles. resetting the character styles should be as easy as setting "Default" char style on the whole document, so i'm not sure if another option is worth the additional clutter. if you know this work around yes but hyperlinks should not be touched by any "reset formatting" since they are not formatting, but content entities (the reset feature also doesn't convert fields to plain text). when you works in the printing business you "must" get rid of this kind of formating also i'm thinking that ruby text should also not be touched by "reset formatting", and this has not yet been changed (i.e. it is reset currently); the reset will actually throw away the ruby text. i'm already sitting on a patch to remove ruby from the reset list... idem ditto ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 15:10 +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: > There should be some button to reset formatting that leaves character > styles intact, and that should be the "most easily accessible" option. > ... hyperlinks should not be touched by any "reset formatting" ... And that's what we've got with "clear direct formatting" at the moment, right ? > also i'm thinking that ruby text should also not be touched by "reset > formatting", and this has not yet been changed (i.e. it is reset > currently); the reset will actually throw away the ruby text. i'm > already sitting on a patch to remove ruby from the reset list... Yeah, that makes sense to me too. You should push that. C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
On 10/01/13 14:25, Caolán McNamara wrote: > On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 10:55 +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: >> Sinds all or editors use LO 3.6.2 (before OO3.3) >> >> We have complains about the fact that parts of the text, who are >> formated with a Character Style, can not been "cleared" to >> no-formating, >> not by "Clear Direct Formating (cntrl+M)" >> >> There is a dirty work-around by applying the "Default" character style >> >> Paragraph Styles can been cleared >> Is this intentional behavior or a regression open for a issue ? > > My understanding is > a) that its intentional, see > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html > and the commit > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6e690e0909459d46c53d17e7939891abea11e566 the corresponding issues are an "interesting" read: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=47893 <- patch author arguing for the change https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=85464 <- a certain Cor reporting the change as regression :) i definitely think that there should be some button to reset formatting that leaves character styles intact, and that should be the "most easily accessible" option. but i wouldn't object to a second button to reset all formatting, including styles. resetting the character styles should be as easy as setting "Default" char style on the whole document, so i'm not sure if another option is worth the additional clutter. but hyperlinks should not be touched by any "reset formatting" since they are not formatting, but content entities (the reset feature also doesn't convert fields to plain text). also i'm thinking that ruby text should also not be touched by "reset formatting", and this has not yet been changed (i.e. it is reset currently); the reset will actually throw away the ruby text. i'm already sitting on a patch to remove ruby from the reset list... ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
On Thu, 2013-01-10 at 10:55 +0100, Fernand Vanrie wrote: > Sinds all or editors use LO 3.6.2 (before OO3.3) > > We have complains about the fact that parts of the text, who are > formated with a Character Style, can not been "cleared" to > no-formating, > not by "Clear Direct Formating (cntrl+M)" > > There is a dirty work-around by applying the "Default" character style > > Paragraph Styles can been cleared > Is this intentional behavior or a regression open for a issue ? My understanding is a) that its intentional, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html and the commit http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6e690e0909459d46c53d17e7939891abea11e566 b) that "paragraph styles" are not cleared, i.e. the text should remain using the original paragraph and character styles, but any additional properties applied on top of that is reset to the underlying paragraph and character styles properties. C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Need confirmation about non-clearing of Character Styles
Sinds all or editors use LO 3.6.2 (before OO3.3) We have complains about the fact that parts of the text, who are formated with a Character Style, can not been "cleared" to no-formating, not by "Clear formating" not by "Clear Direct Formating (cntrl+M)" There is a dirty work-around by applying the "Default" character style Paragraph Styles can been cleared Is this intentional behavior or a regression open for a issue ? Greetz Fernand ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
