Re: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Machanch, Michael Meeks píše v Pá 08. 03. 2013 v 10:01 +: > > I have just install a persona into LibreOffce.. It happens to be a dark > > image. This has obscure the menus which are in dark text so they are not > > visable. > > As Robinson points out - this is a known issue; this is the developers > list however - so I assume you'll want some code pointers for fixing > it ? :-) > > If so - the colors come from: > > vcl/inc/vcl/settings.hxx (StyleSettings) > > the persona dialog is here: > > cui/source/options/personalization.cxx > > I guess it'd be worth un-tangling how the personas are read - and (as a > first cut) just clobbering the colours when a persona is parsed. Just to be more specific - you want to update static void setupPersonaHeaderFooter() in vcl/source/app/settings.cxx to update maMenuBarTextColor too. The color is available in aPersonaSettings as the next token after the footer bitmap. I've turned the bug into an Easy Hack, and added the instructions here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60542#c8 All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Machanch, On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 17:33 -0800, machanch wrote: > I have just install a persona into LibreOffce.. It happens to be a dark > image. This has obscure the menus which are in dark text so they are not > visable. As Robinson points out - this is a known issue; this is the developers list however - so I assume you'll want some code pointers for fixing it ? :-) If so - the colors come from: vcl/inc/vcl/settings.hxx (StyleSettings) the persona dialog is here: cui/source/options/personalization.cxx I guess it'd be worth un-tangling how the personas are read - and (as a first cut) just clobbering the colours when a persona is parsed. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM, machanch wrote: > I have just install a persona into LibreOffce.. It happens to be a dark > image. This has obscure the menus which are in dark text so they are not > visable. > > This issue is not seen in firefox.. the text color changes to ensure it is > always visible.. > Has anyone seen this and address it here before. fdo#60542 - Color of menu items does not update to match personas - NEW https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60542 ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
I have just install a persona into LibreOffce.. It happens to be a dark image. This has obscure the menus which are in dark text so they are not visable. This issue is not seen in firefox.. the text color changes to ensure it is always visible.. Has anyone seen this and address it here before. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Personas-in-LibreOffice-tp4022898p4042358.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Astron, Stefan Knorr (Astron) píše v Čt 24. 01. 2013 v 17:28 +0100: > So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the > background images feature from 4.0. I believe I've removed this already for RC1: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-0&id=d8e1fed0f6f83d03a5075cfe3c0c6b10a7d4e167 It is still there in master though, so that I can continue on that there at some stage; are you seeing it in the 4.0 RC1 or later builds, please? > Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0. Yes - might be good to create a Whiteboard for that, maybe? All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
No, I don’t agree on removing the feature from 4.0. We should improve its rough edges instead of going the easy way. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote: > Hi Michel, Kendy, > > * sorry this comes so late... * > > tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work. > > > On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky wrote: >>> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? >>> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? > > Hm ... well, for Firefox, there's a persona builder add-on to do that. > I think it can also upload personas, so in a way, that's covered. > > Additionally, of course, the background image functionality still > doesn't work in master – so, given how... > * we would need Kendy to work on this functionality, so it actually works > * we would need string changes to point out that background images and > personas are mutually exclusive (as you (Michel) already noticed) > > So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the > background images feature from 4.0. > >>> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have >>> the choices : >>> *Toolbar background* >>> O Default >>> O Image >>> O Firefox Persona >>> >>> (I renamed "own image" to "Image") > > Overall, I agree to this structure... and I am actually fine with the > shorter option titles – instead of the long options, a short > introductory text above telling users unaware of the feature what > Personas are would be nice (like "Use Personas to customize the > background of your toolbar." not sure if needs any more than that). > Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0. > > >>> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? >>> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error >>> loading persona, timeout...). > > Agree. > > * * * > > On the design list, I wrote a small critique on the discoverability of > the personas feature comparing it to the Firefox feature without any > real solutions, just fyi... > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-new-old-branding-tp4028724p4030504.html > > Astron. > ___ > Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list > libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise -- Adolfo ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Michel, Kendy, * sorry this comes so late... * tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work. On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky wrote: >> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? >> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? Hm ... well, for Firefox, there's a persona builder add-on to do that. I think it can also upload personas, so in a way, that's covered. Additionally, of course, the background image functionality still doesn't work in master – so, given how... * we would need Kendy to work on this functionality, so it actually works * we would need string changes to point out that background images and personas are mutually exclusive (as you (Michel) already noticed) So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the background images feature from 4.0. >> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have >> the choices : >> *Toolbar background* >> O Default >> O Image >> O Firefox Persona >> >> (I renamed "own image" to "Image") Overall, I agree to this structure... and I am actually fine with the shorter option titles – instead of the long options, a short introductory text above telling users unaware of the feature what Personas are would be nice (like "Use Personas to customize the background of your toolbar." not sure if needs any more than that). Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0. >> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? >> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error >> loading persona, timeout...). Agree. * * * On the design list, I wrote a small critique on the discoverability of the personas feature comparing it to the Firefox feature without any real solutions, just fyi... http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-new-old-branding-tp4028724p4030504.html Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Michel, Michel Renon píše v St 09. 01. 2013 v 18:15 +0100: > May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? > - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? > - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have > the choices : > *Toolbar background* > O Default > O Image > O Firefox Persona > > (I renamed "own image" to "Image") I've updated the wording there already based on the Astron's suggestions - I hope it works for you too? > - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? > and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error > loading persona, timeout...). > From a user pov, it's an expected feed-back before validating. Very good idea - unfortunately more for 4.1, it's too late to do it now. I'll keep it in mind, thank you! > - to be complete, LO should keep the path of image/url of persona, and > show it below the preview ; and the url should be entered automatically > in the persona dialog. I am not sure if it is useful to pre-file the current URL in the Persona dialog - it is supposed to be only a place to be pasted with the URL, no real editing, so... But showing the current Persona's URL might be good, indeed. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Olivier, Olivier Hallot píše v Út 08. 01. 2013 v 08:11 -0200: > I got it working on master. Really nice work and some room or > improvement as well:I wonder if the persona also has a footer to > decorate the LO status bar. Yes, I've had it in mind, so there is some code for that already in, but incomplete - work for 4.1. > I got a crash on changing a persona to another, but I'll get a traceback > as soon as I can. Should be fixed now thanks to Markus :-) All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] BitmapEx* -> BitmapEx [was: Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice]
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 06:10:30PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Ah right, can you please cherry-pick > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0721b5b83e34de1e2fcb320d6a7deae1ad109d61 > > to libreoffice-4-0? :-) Makes sense, pushed to -4-0. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[REVIEW 4.0] BitmapEx* -> BitmapEx [was: Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice]
Hi Michael, Michael Meeks píše v Út 08. 01. 2013 v 14:21 +: > But +1 from me for the -4-0 branch - assuming we can get another couple > of reviews. As a quibble, I'd prefer to see BitmapEx's instead of > BitmapEx*'s being used in the settings - which would simplify the code > and make it less error prone I suspect; BitmapEx::IsEmpty is your > friend :-) Ah right, can you please cherry-pick http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0721b5b83e34de1e2fcb320d6a7deae1ad109d61 to libreoffice-4-0? :-) [I just noticed I've used mpSomething there instead of maSomething for BitmapEx'es, but I'll fix it together with another commit when fixing the other glitches the others pointed out.] Thank you, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Leif, Le 09/01/2013 20:14, leif a écrit : > Hi, > It still doesn't work for me. > Tried with daily built from today. The last available build 32 bits for Linux is http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-0/Linux-x86_10-Release-Configuration/current/ that is yesterday 2013-01-08 at 13:17:03 and the commits for 4.0 related to persona are from today afternoon: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/libreoffice-4-0 So there is no daily build for Linux X86 with persona functional at the moment. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi, Le 09/01/2013 09:54, Petr Mladek a écrit : > Jean-Baptiste Faure píše v St 09. 01. 2013 v 06:22 +0100: >> Le 09/01/2013 02:16, Pedro a écrit : >>> Petr Mladek wrote I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into 4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build. >>> >>> That means it should be available in the 4.0 daily builds tomorrow? >>> >>> BTW if anyone is curious I played around with the Persona feature and >>> created this >>> http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/491370 >> >> I saw, but it does not work for me after a make dev-install on Ubuntu >> 12.04 x86-64. Nothing changes when I choose an persona's url > > It works for me with the last build from 4-0 branch. Now it works for me too, with the help of Kendy. I compiled LO without neon which is necessary to have access to http:// Nice feature :-) Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Kendy, Le 09/01/2013 14:21, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : > [...] > Not sure if I manage to do the async loading + preview for 4.0, > though :-( But showing the URL at least should be doable - is that > enough? For me it is enough, because we have a preview in Firefox. It is not exactly the same, but it give a good idea. Some additional remarks or suggestions for a further version: 1/ if you do several tests with differents personas, each is stored in the gallery but never removed. 2/ you cannot change your persona when you are offline, even if the persona you want is already in your gallery. 3/ Perhaps the textfield for the url could be a dropdown list showing the last used personas, allowing to switch between stored personas. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi, It still doesn't work for me. Tried with daily built from today. When I select either background image or Persona and closes the dialogue, nothing happens. Content of the chosen values are not stored. Something is stored to registrymodifications.xcu though. I can see three relevant entries: oor:name="BackgroundImage" oor:op="fuse">no oor:name="BackgroundImageURL" oor:op="fuse"> oor:name="Persona" oor:op="fuse">own * BackgroundImage works * Persona works * BackgroundImageURL doesn't work Something is missing (PersonaURL?) I'm running Ubuntu Linux 32bit and tried to install both as parallel installation and regular installation. Same result :-( PS: It should be possible to disable this feature on Windows installations (thinking enterprise 'customers'). Enterprises doesn't like mint green background or http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/419754 on company machines ;-) Looking forward to try it. Cheers, Leif ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi all, Le 08/01/2013 11:07, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : Hi Cor, Cor Nouws píše v Po 07. 01. 2013 v 22:56 +0100: Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in the future :-) I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet? I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown... That's too old, you need a build post 2012-01-04. The 'own background' is not working even there, and will be removed from 4.0 if the Persona part is approved (otherwise both will go). I tested on build 2013-01-08 on Ubuntu 12.04 and nothing works :-( Btw, it's a nice feature ! As it's a user's choice, we have not to worry about readability of toobars. May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ? - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ? - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have the choices : *Toolbar background* O Default O Image O Firefox Persona (I renamed "own image" to "Image") - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ? and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error loading persona, timeout...). From a user pov, it's an expected feed-back before validating. - to be complete, LO should keep the path of image/url of persona, and show it below the preview ; and the url should be entered automatically in the persona dialog. So my complete suggestion in ascii : *Toolbar background* O Default O Image O Firefox Persona [Status text, only if error] +---+ | | | preview | | | | | +---+ path/url : xx Thanks, Michel ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
It's useless without support for font color settings. Black text on black persona isn't exactly great UX experience. Though to be fair, even with support for this, some of the personas have rather weird color combinations when checked in Firefox. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Stefan Knorr (Astron) < heinzless...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again, > > minor correction to my own post only > >> LibO window with my (admittedly somewhat slow (1000 Mb/s)) connection > > Make that "1 MBit/s"... > > Astron. > ___ > LibreOffice mailing list > LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice > ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi again, minor correction to my own post only >> LibO window with my (admittedly somewhat slow (1000 Mb/s)) connection Make that "1 MBit/s"... Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Astron, Stefan Knorr (Astron) píše v St 09. 01. 2013 v 12:52 +0100: > so, some of you know, I have soem reservations about this feature... :-) > be that as it may, I have a small number of comments still: Thanks for that, very good points! > * there are some spelling/grammar errors: > ** the button for selecting the background image has the word "Backround" on > it Fixed now: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-0&id=b020075fd33e0ad20571980d6e72bd86a05bcd2e > ** the window for Select a persona has the sentence "Find persona you > like" on it – lacks an "a" before "persona" > ** also in that window: "Then copy the URL of page [...]" – lacking a > "the" before "page" > > * I fear that enough people don't know what "URL" means, may I propose > "web address" as a more accessible replacement? Reworded, I hope better now: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-0&id=c821a8ab11ff615737d98858a27ebf24803d7f61 > * What is the difference between "default persona" and "no persona" > (currently, at least)? I would remove this option until we decide we > want to ship a persona by default. Reworded too: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-0&id=9b9d4a9472228a647d61edc428d542fd20bcb034 The aim is to be able to install a Persona using an extension even if we do not ship with a Persona by default; and while at that, provide the user with the possibility to switch that off (originally 'no persona'). Is it better now? > * Downloading personas appears to be synchronous, leading to visible > UI lag and Windows adding "(doesn't respond)" to the titlebar of the > LibO window with my (admittedly somewhat slow (1000 Mb/s)) connection > speed – it would be much better to make this ascynchronous. Actually - I am not sure why it is that slow; it shouldn't be. Either way, I'll try to do something about that & make it async. I'd be able to do a progress bar too, though probably only with 3 steps (nothing, having loaded the page, having loaded the header, having loaded the footer). Is that worth that? > On 9 January 2013 09:54, Petr Mladek wrote: > > Hmm, it does not show the saved url in the options dialog. Instead, it > > shows URL template (http://www.getpersonas.com). I wonder if it is a > > feature. > > I agree that it would be nice to see the name and URL of the current > persona somewhere, though not necessarily in the Persona Selection > dialogue itself. I guess the name could be on the preferences page, > e.g. directly after the "use own persona" option. Not sure about where > to put the URL... Yes - I plan to do a preview in the lower part of the Personalization dialog where you'd see (part of) the Persona bitmap. Not sure if I manage to do the async loading + preview for 4.0, though :-( But showing the URL at least should be doable - is that enough? Thank you, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi all, so, some of you know, I have soem reservations about this feature... be that as it may, I have a small number of comments still: * there are some spelling/grammar errors: ** the button for selecting the background image has the word "Backround" on it ** the window for Select a persona has the sentence "Find persona you like" on it – lacks an "a" before "persona" ** also in that window: "Then copy the URL of page [...]" – lacking a "the" before "page" * I fear that enough people don't know what "URL" means, may I propose "web address" as a more accessible replacement? * What is the difference between "default persona" and "no persona" (currently, at least)? I would remove this option until we decide we want to ship a persona by default. * Downloading personas appears to be synchronous, leading to visible UI lag and Windows adding "(doesn't respond)" to the titlebar of the LibO window with my (admittedly somewhat slow (1000 Mb/s)) connection speed – it would be much better to make this ascynchronous. On 9 January 2013 09:54, Petr Mladek wrote: > Hmm, it does not show the saved url in the options dialog. Instead, it > shows URL template (http://www.getpersonas.com). I wonder if it is a > feature. I agree that it would be nice to see the name and URL of the current persona somewhere, though not necessarily in the Persona Selection dialogue itself. I guess the name could be on the preferences page, e.g. directly after the "use own persona" option. Not sure about where to put the URL... Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Jean-Baptiste Faure píše v St 09. 01. 2013 v 06:22 +0100: > Le 09/01/2013 02:16, Pedro a écrit : > > Petr Mladek wrote > >> I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into > >> 4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build. > > > > That means it should be available in the 4.0 daily builds tomorrow? > > > > BTW if anyone is curious I played around with the Persona feature and > > created this > > http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/491370 > > I saw, but it does not work for me after a make dev-install on Ubuntu > 12.04 x86-64. Nothing changes when I choose an persona's url It works for me with the last build from 4-0 branch. > and LO does > not remember of this url if I reopen options panel. Hmm, it does not show the saved url in the options dialog. Instead, it shows URL template (http://www.getpersonas.com). I wonder if it is a feature. Kendy? Anyway, the setting is saved. I see the chosen persona even after restarting LO. Best Regards, Petr ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
leif píše v Út 08. 01. 2013 v 20:14 +0100: > Hi, > I tried with the daily from > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-0/Linux-x86_10-Release-Configuration/2013-01-07_14.50.57/ This is too old. Many fixes were added yesterday evening. You would need to test a daily build from today if there is any. > It doesn't work for me on Ubuntu 12.04 with parallel installation. The > settings isn't stored at all. It works for me with the last build. Best Regards, Petr ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Pedro píše v Út 08. 01. 2013 v 17:16 -0800: > Petr Mladek wrote > > I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into > > 4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build. > > That means it should be available in the 4.0 daily builds tomorrow? Yup, it should be there. > BTW if anyone is curious I played around with the Persona feature and > created this > http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/491370 > You can use it in your FF browser as well :) Nice to see first persona created for LibreOffice :-) Best Regards, Petr ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Le 09/01/2013 02:16, Pedro a écrit : > Petr Mladek wrote >> I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into >> 4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build. > > That means it should be available in the 4.0 daily builds tomorrow? > > BTW if anyone is curious I played around with the Persona feature and > created this > http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/491370 I saw, but it does not work for me after a make dev-install on Ubuntu 12.04 x86-64. Nothing changes when I choose an persona's url and LO does not remember of this url if I reopen options panel. Note: url depends on your locale, for me it's http://www.getpersonas.com/fr/persona/491370 > You can use it in your FF browser as well :) A little too flashy for me ;-) Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Petr Mladek wrote > I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into > 4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build. That means it should be available in the 4.0 daily builds tomorrow? BTW if anyone is curious I played around with the Persona feature and created this http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/491370 You can use it in your FF browser as well :) Enjoy :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LATE-FEATURE-Personas-in-LibreOffice-tp4027571p4027880.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi, I tried with the daily from http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-0/Linux-x86_10-Release-Configuration/2013-01-07_14.50.57/ It doesn't work for me on Ubuntu 12.04 with parallel installation. The settings isn't stored at all. Cheers, Leif Den 08-01-2013 11:33, libreoffice-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org skrev: From: Olivier Hallot To: Jan Holesovsky Cc: Caol?n McNamara, libo-ux-advise ,"Stefan Knorr \(Astron\)", LibreOffice Developer List Subject: Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice Message-ID:<50ebf0e9.1090...@documentfoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kendy I got it working on master. Really nice work and some room or improvement as well:I wonder if the persona also has a footer to decorate the LO status bar. I got a crash on changing a persona to another, but I'll get a traceback as soon as I can. Some LibreOffice related personas http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/All/search?p=libreoffice&search.x=0&search.y=0 Regards Olivier ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [PUSHED 4.0] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Michael Meeks píše v Út 08. 01. 2013 v 14:21 +: > Hi there, > > I had a quick read; it -looks- rather low-touch - and the graphic > effect is really pleasant; so I'd be well up for merging this. > > ( git --no-pager log --numstat -u > 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2 > ; > git --no-pager log --numstat -u > 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704 > ; > git --no-pager log --numstat -u > c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26 > ) | less > > IIRC we had this feature already for 4.0 for Windows, and this extends > it to Linux+Mac. Having seen some oddness around transparency for Mac in > the past, it would be worth testing there. > > But +1 from me for the -4-0 branch - assuming we can get another couple > of reviews. As a quibble, I'd prefer to see BitmapEx's instead of > BitmapEx*'s being used in the settings - which would simplify the code > and make it less error prone I suspect; BitmapEx::IsEmpty is your > friend :-) I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into 4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build. Best Regards, Petr ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Kendy, all Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Jan Holesovsky < > kendy@ > > wrote: >> Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with >> the review. > > It would be really nice to get this landed in 4.0. Many users ask for > greater UI customization, and this is a great start. Putting technical > issues aside, I don’t see UX problems in this. This is a quite nice feature although from my brief tests is only usable with Solid themes (artistic designs make buttons unreadable...) I tested under Windows XP with Version 4.1.0.0.alpha0+ (Build ID: ff927ba4272aa8f115472577ec9393df19016f2) TinderBox: Win-x86@6, Branch:master, Time: 2013-01-08_01:14:22 Background images (there is a typo in the Select Background Image button) are not loaded, neither jpg nor png Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LATE-FEATURE-Personas-in-LibreOffice-tp4027571p4027791.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[REVIEW] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi there, I had a quick read; it -looks- rather low-touch - and the graphic effect is really pleasant; so I'd be well up for merging this. ( git --no-pager log --numstat -u 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2 ; git --no-pager log --numstat -u 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704 ; git --no-pager log --numstat -u c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26 ) | less IIRC we had this feature already for 4.0 for Windows, and this extends it to Linux+Mac. Having seen some oddness around transparency for Mac in the past, it would be worth testing there. But +1 from me for the -4-0 branch - assuming we can get another couple of reviews. As a quibble, I'd prefer to see BitmapEx's instead of BitmapEx*'s being used in the settings - which would simplify the code and make it less error prone I suspect; BitmapEx::IsEmpty is your friend :-) Otherwise, really nice work ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the > review. It would be really nice to get this landed in 4.0. Many users ask for greater UI customization, and this is a great start. Putting technical issues aside, I don’t see UX problems in this. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kendy I got it working on master. Really nice work and some room or improvement as well:I wonder if the persona also has a footer to decorate the LO status bar. I got a crash on changing a persona to another, but I'll get a traceback as soon as I can. Some LibreOffice related personas http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/All/search?p=libreoffice&search.x=0&search.y=0 Regards Olivier Em 07-01-2013 08:32, Jan Holesovsky escreveu: > Hi Astron, Caolán, Olivier, all, > > I'd like to ask you [or any additional reviewers :-)] for review of a > late 4.0 feature - the Firefox Personas for LibreOffice. It is supposed > to work like this: > > - the user chooses Tools -> Options -> Personalization -> Select Persona > - then navigates to http://www.getpersonas.com, and chooses Persona she > likes > - copies the URL of that Persona to clipboard, pastes that to the > dialog, [OK] > - closes the Options with [OK] > > And the the Persona is used in LibreOffice, like this: > > http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-1.png > > or > > http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-2.png > > Depends on the taste - there are 35k Personas to choose from :-) Of > course, switching the Personas off again is trivial in Tools -> Options > -> Personalization too. > > The patches that do that are quite small, in fact just this: > > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a2500801cf2d337f176b074f9159df4925420af4 > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9ae27252a6a07f4b67a43be6c9289983f43b2e95 > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=46505e82ad0f2bd9586e6c853e6e68635dc54007 > http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=3fc8c364cc58429bd840f47a80a9258de21ed131 > > But - there is one catch. There was no way to load .jpg directly in vcl > (but logically, the functionality belongs there), so I moved > GraphicFilter from svtools to vcl. The move will also allow > simplification of some code in desktop/ I believe. > > Also there were some bugs in vcl that were triggered by the feature; and > I fixed them. Consequently, the full list of patches to cherry-pick to > libreoffice-4-0 is: > > git log > 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2 > git log > 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704 > git log > c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26 > > Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the > review. > > Thank you a lot, > Kendy > - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Fundação responsável civilmente, de acordo com o direito civil Detalhes Legais: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ6/DpAAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxUOIIAI3tzLd4Q8+eGtgJIyEzDg1g 3l8AN8oc7Bz28cqZYEODcPSzbYubAyjqXZPu1D3k65L6fyVNK9y+gFHnHyJgVSQr YzFtTXTjEHyNBy8OdVlPI6gbEnsNMQ1rkFT1/uJ1tGiKa9QPG/lyzcTP+2qnSdXp D/47RGkLXehuoBTuzqVSLlzEhECRXBI80VsLCmnfNJL+ypioJJhJdkL4QqgIn72+ WgxMkeNd44rD0Dm9XAkN+sXizj5+o796gXr+/cSK/uhZ3zp9xnhNd1w2QQgbofmK KPwROms02W7HnoCUwSn6EoOB7sAKsVq051ojTaOF072AfBXvJjEHeJt06ySt4GI= =HK7C -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Cor, Cor Nouws píše v Po 07. 01. 2013 v 22:56 +0100: > Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in > the future :-) > > I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet? > I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not > work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown... That's too old, you need a build post 2012-01-04. The 'own background' is not working even there, and will be removed from 4.0 if the Persona part is approved (otherwise both will go). Regards, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Kendy Jan Holesovsky wrote (07-01-13 11:32) Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the review. Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in the future :-) I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet? I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown... Cheers Cor 1) Version 4.0.0.0.beta2+ (Build ID: 1d7287f8d7984eae98a577f60a8bc0a740fc5e9) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Astron, Caolán, Olivier, all, I'd like to ask you [or any additional reviewers :-)] for review of a late 4.0 feature - the Firefox Personas for LibreOffice. It is supposed to work like this: - the user chooses Tools -> Options -> Personalization -> Select Persona - then navigates to http://www.getpersonas.com, and chooses Persona she likes - copies the URL of that Persona to clipboard, pastes that to the dialog, [OK] - closes the Options with [OK] And the the Persona is used in LibreOffice, like this: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-1.png or http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-2.png Depends on the taste - there are 35k Personas to choose from :-) Of course, switching the Personas off again is trivial in Tools -> Options -> Personalization too. The patches that do that are quite small, in fact just this: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a2500801cf2d337f176b074f9159df4925420af4 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9ae27252a6a07f4b67a43be6c9289983f43b2e95 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=46505e82ad0f2bd9586e6c853e6e68635dc54007 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=3fc8c364cc58429bd840f47a80a9258de21ed131 But - there is one catch. There was no way to load .jpg directly in vcl (but logically, the functionality belongs there), so I moved GraphicFilter from svtools to vcl. The move will also allow simplification of some code in desktop/ I believe. Also there were some bugs in vcl that were triggered by the feature; and I fixed them. Consequently, the full list of patches to cherry-pick to libreoffice-4-0 is: git log 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2 git log 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704 git log c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26 Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the review. Thank you a lot, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Astron, all Em 14-12-2012 14:53, Stefan Knorr (Astron) escreveu: > Sorry to rain on the parade here .. but is there some good reason why > we need this feature? That was, very likely, the same question people at Mozilla asked when they saw it beeing cooked for FFox... but then, a few month after release, they got tens of thousands of Personas. Many users like to put fancy ringtones in their mobiles, and we all know people put ringtones not for themselves but for *you/we/us/they* to "listen how fancy is my ringtone, dude!". Admitedly, this Personas stuff won't add a bit in performance or solve any MAB, but if correctly worked by our MarCom at release time, it will make a hit in terms of branding, not to make sure we look prettier than others (includes Microsoft) not to say that we may hear some rumbling drums around the teepees. And at the same time I am +1 to replace the tedious, tasteless application background (grey shade) by a user-choice bitmap... Full personalization is a trend I believe people want for their personal stuff. They want to convey a message to their social environment. Kind regards - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Fundação responsável civilmente, de acordo com o direito civil Detalhes Legais: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQy6OAAAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxWjkH/jrLNF2SinYSsFfOAY/51yHF XIToSniiDWnPgMn6GG/3dkMnT5COXWL9EPptC8z8xayImzZ0IxxyaEoH6nRaWbfp YMS7FDXSh2aOqDtJn8Tc8Q9l6664LX8hVvxbk08aROqOJcOGCBTgMTGRx3APAyyN TmZfLEVZVcZWXdpEPFnZJxPuecx3ogrVWeaEAelk2ifoXasjiYmCvqcXGa+QJ5cT dZzwkSfDbCYkU0MGsOdrbzfdPOEd1+v1Ie9tZXalXmk8oiyT07uam84UAy8ZVF4Y xIbyjbihCcXrzmhPnb5xk0QCwEdVvuaPkKG9DXx9xa4M5inVwLw2HeZpAEOzPzk= =8rAi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
On 12/14/2012 05:21 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi all, Is there some reason why this then appears in the Linux version of my master build and does absolutely nothing ? From that I mean, that if I select a background image, e.g. jpg, then nothing happens and the dialog just cycles (repeated select/enter/no effect/display dialog, until I cancel it ? Is there some limit to the size of the image one can use, or is it not supposed to work on Linux at all ? And if the latter, why do we have access to it on Linux ? Or have I totally misunderstood what this is about ? Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
Sorry, really have no business in this thread, but I just couldnt resist... Why not 'best of both worlds' ? Allow user persona's, and improve the default look ? you could even do a contest, where the best user persona wins to be the new default look ? just my 2 $ Well, shutting up now again... - John Smith. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Astron, Stefan Knorr (Astron) píše v Pá 14. 12. 2012 v 17:53 +0100: > > So far this is still not finished, and I am fighting to have some time > > to finish that for Beta 2, and for late feature approval ;-) - so it > > still may happen that I'll need to just disable that code in 4.0, even > > though I'd love to finish that - I am close. > > > > The reason why it is Windows-only so far is that we do much more theming > > of the menu and toolbars ourselves on Windows, so we can better control > > there what is going on; so want to go the safe way, and do it > > Windows-only first, then extend to Linux too. > > Sorry to rain on the parade here .. but is there some good reason why > we need this feature? In the first place - sorry for my poor communication of this :-( I should have poked UX-advise in advance that I am poking this. There are actually 3 reasons: people love using their personalized pictures for backgrounds - I can see it everywhere. Photos of kids on the screens of mobile phones, desktop backgrounds etc. The other reason is that this has even enterprise use - I have a real customer who is unhappy with the look of the background behind the menu + toolbar. It is much easier to provide them with a way to tweak that than trying to find out a balance between their needs and needs of other customers - you will never do everyone happy. And the last thing - should you decide to change the background under the menu + toolbars, it will be as easy as drawing a new bitmap, instead of having to programaticaly change the look, which is not that fun with GDI functions :-) > If people are unhappy with how LibreOffice looks, we should probably > tweak the platform specific look until it is better. And from looking > at screenshots from Mac OS (and to a much lesser extent, working with > Windows), I do understand why people would say that. Unfortunately, eg. on Windows there is no real standard that would look good :-( > The thing is, those problems won't be solved at all when we allow > people to put pictures of their cats in the application background. In > fact, that will make matters for the most part. (I haven't yet seen > the feature working so far... But even Firefox's implementation of it > which tries to make sure everything stays usable does not guarantee > readable results.) Yes - people will be able to set something that it will do the app unusable; but hard to blame us for that, I think. Again - sorry for not communicating this in advance. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Kendy, On 14 December 2012 17:21, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > So far this is still not finished, and I am fighting to have some time > to finish that for Beta 2, and for late feature approval ;-) - so it > still may happen that I'll need to just disable that code in 4.0, even > though I'd love to finish that - I am close. > > The reason why it is Windows-only so far is that we do much more theming > of the menu and toolbars ourselves on Windows, so we can better control > there what is going on; so want to go the safe way, and do it > Windows-only first, then extend to Linux too. Sorry to rain on the parade here .. but is there some good reason why we need this feature? If people are unhappy with how LibreOffice looks, we should probably tweak the platform specific look until it is better. And from looking at screenshots from Mac OS (and to a much lesser extent, working with Windows), I do understand why people would say that. The thing is, those problems won't be solved at all when we allow people to put pictures of their cats in the application background. In fact, that will make matters for the most part. (I haven't yet seen the feature working so far... But even Firefox's implementation of it which tries to make sure everything stays usable does not guarantee readable results.) Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Personas in LibreOffice
Hi Marcos, Marcos Souza píše v Čt 06. 12. 2012 v 09:57 -0200: > After take a look in some commits in LO about the FFox Personas, I saw > that this is only for Windows until now... > > There is a reason for that? > > There is something that we can do for extend this for Linux users? So far this is still not finished, and I am fighting to have some time to finish that for Beta 2, and for late feature approval ;-) - so it still may happen that I'll need to just disable that code in 4.0, even though I'd love to finish that - I am close. The reason why it is Windows-only so far is that we do much more theming of the menu and toolbars ourselves on Windows, so we can better control there what is going on; so want to go the safe way, and do it Windows-only first, then extend to Linux too. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Personas in LibreOffice
Hi list, After take a look in some commits in LO about the FFox Personas, I saw that this is only for Windows until now... There is a reason for that? There is something that we can do for extend this for Linux users? I belvei that's a nice feature for LO! Congrats to the authors! Thanks a lot! -- Att, Marcos Paulo de Souza Acadêmico de Ciencia da Computação - FURB - SC Github: https://github.com/marcosps/ "Uma vida sem desafios é uma vida sem razão" "A life without challenges, is a non reason life" ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
