Re: Popup dialogs
Other than that - if it really comes to not using any word-processing features at all, just type in your notepad equivalent and copy'n'paste to LO after you're done typing. Very good advice. We should resist feature creep. If somebody suggests why not add a touch typist mode to LO where you can only enter text and nothing ever pops up and no shortcuts or accelerators are active, the answer should be no. We already have too many modes. (Of course, my opinion is different if somebody pays me to work on such a feature.) --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Popup dialogs
On 31/03/15 11:38, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Other than that - if it really comes to not using any word-processing features at all, just type in your notepad equivalent and copy'n'paste to LO after you're done typing. Very good advice. We should resist feature creep. If somebody suggests why not add a touch typist mode to LO where you can only enter text and nothing ever pops up and no shortcuts or accelerators are active, the answer should be no. We already have too many modes. (Of course, my opinion is different if somebody pays me to work on such a feature.) Point taken. But I'm an old WordPerfect hand, as you might remember ... :-) The advice with Word was always type the text first, go back and format later. Very much the opposite with WordPerfect - type the text, with formatting hints, and let WP take care of it. So you would use bold-on, bold-off, etc as you typed. So I *do* want to take advantage of word processor features, I just want a do what I say, and don't assume ... mode. :-) And if I type ctrl-p by mistake then I get a dialog - I asked for it, I get it - maybe I just have too many bad memories of Clippy ... :-) I could bash in a WordPerfect document, confident that it would print pretty much as I wanted, and then just need to clean it up. It sounds like LO has gone a fair way down that route :-) (btw, Christian, I remember tearing my hair out over autocorrect - there was (hopefully it's gone now) an autocorrupt feature that was not controlled from Format|Autocorrect. Possibly in calc, probably in Writer/Tables. It was an absolute devil to track down and disable - it made it impossible for me to format the document correctly. Can't remember the details now, it was a while ago, it'll be in the archives somewhere.) Cheers, Wol ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Popup dialogs
Hi, On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 01:38:06PM +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Very good advice. We should resist feature creep. If somebody suggests why not add a touch typist mode to LO where you can only enter text and nothing ever pops up and no shortcuts or accelerators are active, the answer should be no. Well, in general having LibreOffice running without ever showing focus-stealing modal dialog is a feature on its own. It shouldnt be a mode, it should be a goal to aim for in default behaviour. I assume the UX team would agree with that. We already have too many modes. (Of course, my opinion is different if somebody pays me to work on such a feature.) That point of course nonwithstanding. Best, Bjoern ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Popup dialogs
Oh, but I can hear the REGRESSION screams already. My company RELIES on us getting a VERY NOTICEABLE popup box that HAS to be actioned upon separately as soon as whatever is done. --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Popup dialogs
Hi, On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 02:07:57PM +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Oh, but I can hear the REGRESSION screams already. My company RELIES on us getting a VERY NOTICEABLE popup box that HAS to be actioned upon separately as soon as whatever is done. The last sentence of your previous mail is very relevant in context of bug comments starting with My company Beyond that: Yes, it is unfortunate to have devs in the no mans land between two factions of a shouting match. A UX team can hopefully make reasonable and consistent decisions despite of that -- but will need to be aware that the shouting matches will likely always be a big part of that work. Best, Bjoern ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Popup dialogs
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Anthonys Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 30/03/2015 16:50, Jens Tröger wrote: Is there any way we could have a mode that would disable pop-up dialogs, unless you press a keyboard shortcut that opens a dialog, LO won't show any pop-ups or steal focus while typing. auto-corrupt, Uncheck Format|AutoCorrect → [ ] while typing or disable all while typing stuff in the AutoCorrect options. etc etc. Touch typists are TRAINED NOT to look at the screen - a pop-up dialog plays havoc with that workflow. If you want prevent (for example) ctrl+p to open the print dialog, you should disable/remove all keyboard shortcuts, but this surely isn't something that would be considered useful by other people. And even touch typists might want to use ctrl+1 (or 2 or 3...) to apply corresponding heading style. Other than that - if it really comes to not using any word-processing features at all, just type in your notepad equivalent and copy'n'paste to LO after you're done typing. ciao Christian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Popup dialogs (was How many degrees of headlessness do we need?)
On 30/03/2015 16:50, Jens Tröger wrote: Hi, Thank you Tor for starting this discussion; very interesting and necessary. I've been confused about these different modes for a while, in particular because I run on both Mac and Linux where the same switch works differently. Just throwing something completely off the wall into the mix ... and trained touch-typists the world over (not that there are that many left) would probably throw their arms around you and hug and kiss you for this ... Is there any way we could have a mode that would disable pop-up dialogs, auto-corrupt, etc etc. Touch typists are TRAINED NOT to look at the screen - a pop-up dialog plays havoc with that workflow. They want to be able to dump text from a paper document into a word-processor document. Bear in mind that a trained typist can do this accurately such that it OCR needs to be better than 95% accurate to do a faster job. That's what pisses me off about Word - it's aimed at the hunt-n-peck brigade - sure that's the majority of the market out there, but so many of its features are on-by-default, hard to disable, and a pain in the neck for the professional user. It would be nice to have a mode that says what you type is what you get!!! Cheers, Wol ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
