Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 10:45 +, Caolán McNamara wrote: On (non-MacOSX) unix we have spadmin the printer administration tool. a) you can connect a fax device So, what I've done for fax devices is to now detect fax4cups via its Dial property and send it the user-provided fax number by fax4cups recommended route of setting the job-name to the number to be called. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=ed6171632005cdaa987214e84f0ad8fd0dbdd2da The add a fax stuff is now removed in favor of use fax4cups or something similar and docs updated. C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Le 14/03/2014 11:45, Caolán McNamara a écrit : Hi Caolan, Judging from the posts I have seen on the user list since LO came into existence, there are still some use cases where CUPS does not provide the required support and people need to be able to fall back to spadmin for printing. The fact that spadmin could be used to add Type1 PS fonts, which are no longer supported, if I understand correctly, has also been, and continues to be, an issue that crops up on the user list (and possibly also in BZ) for some people. The problem as I see it is that there are so many printers out there being used by LO users, some of them quite old now (yet tried and trusted, especially in business), for which CUPS support has been dropped or curbed over time, and it is handy to be able to pop in one's own PPD to just get the job done. From my own experience, the switch to CUPS ONLY by default caused the loss of being able to print from two different trays in one document over the network, i.e. have page 1 print out on header paper in a first or manual tray, and then subsequent pages from the follow-on paper tray. This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, including on Mac OSX. I have not yet found a way to this with CUPS, having been reduced to separate printing steps for each set of pages. I have no idea whether such use cases are still representative of the mainstream usage of LO, but it is certainly around in businesses with legacy printers that are still functioning. I have used HP LJs (4050n, 2500dtn, Apple LaserWriter) in business scenarii in the past with OOo and the ability to fiddle with the PPD to get things working right was the saving grace on many occasion. Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:31:50PM +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 14/03/2014 11:45, Caolán McNamara a écrit : Hi Caolan, Judging from the posts I have seen on the user list since LO came into existence, there are still some use cases where CUPS does not provide the required support and people need to be able to fall back to spadmin for printing. So the question is, how other applications are handled? Do those people print exclusively using LibreOffice? (I always export to PDF and print from the PDF viewer myself as I find printing from LibreOffice to be too mysterious for my limited understanding of how printers work.) Regards, Khaled ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 12:31 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: The fact that spadmin could be used to add Type1 PS fonts, which are no longer supported, if I understand correctly, has also been, and continues to be, an issue that crops up on the user list (and possibly also in BZ) for some people. Have you a link to an example because type 1 fonts just work, there was no removal of support for those. The add fonts ability of spadmin was removed in 2012 and prior to that was only visible if your system didn't support fontconfig which is a practically impossible situation for many years now so I'd like to understand that comment a little more. This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, including on Mac OSX. I'm a little baffled, spadmin on MacOSX ?, what version included spadmin on MacOSX ? We certainly don't do it now. If there are cases where fiddling with the ppd manually and adding that via spadmin worked, would not the same solution work by using the system tools to set the replacement ppd for the printer ? e.g. using system-config-printer under Fedora and provide PPD file C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Le 14/03/2014 13:40, Caolán McNamara a écrit : Have you a link to an example because type 1 fonts just work, there was no removal of support for those. The add fonts ability of spadmin was removed in 2012 and prior to that was only visible if your system didn't support fontconfig which is a practically impossible situation for many years now so I'd like to understand that comment a little more. Not off-hand, I'd have to trawl through the LO user mailing list - the problems might have been linked to a particular OS or particular Type1 fonts, I don't remember exactly now. This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, including on Mac OSX. I'm a little baffled, spadmin on MacOSX ?, what version included spadmin on MacOSX ? We certainly don't do it now. Yes, I wasn't talking about LO, but during OOo times, before the switch to CUPS printing, this was possible. If there are cases where fiddling with the ppd manually and adding that via spadmin worked, would not the same solution work by using the system tools to set the replacement ppd for the printer ? e.g. using system-config-printer under Fedora and provide PPD file Unfortunately, I have no idea. My comments were made not to discourage you from going ahead with your plan, just to relate what I had seen on the LO mailing list and my own previous experience of before/after the switch to CUPS printing, both on Linux and OSX. Questions / bugs about PS Type1 support : http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2631/adobe-postscript-type-1-font-not-displaying-in-libreoffice-3532-mac/ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37453 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg05099.html https://forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=1197 http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/6045-type-1-fonts-not-seen-by-libreoffice-36-bodhi-201/page__view__findpost__p__56029 The last one, in particular (seocnd to last comment), provides a workaround for creating AFM/PFM files on Linux, but note that this didn't used to be a requirement, before the switch to CUPS printing was made - previously, Type1 fonts were recognized in OOo automagically. Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 02:37:06PM +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: The last one, in particular (seocnd to last comment), provides a workaround for creating AFM/PFM files on Linux, but note that this didn't used to be a requirement, before the switch to CUPS printing was made - previously, Type1 fonts were recognized in OOo automagically. The code that requires AFM files for Type1 fonts have been there since 2001 with the introduction of PostSctipt printing in OpenOffice, so I fail to see how it would have worked differently in the bast. (I don’t really think we need the info contained in the AFM files, though, but someone has to trace the code to verify this.) Regards Khaled ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Le 14/03/2014 11:45, Caolán McNamara a écrit : We might want to get rid of this page too at the same time : https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Setting_up_Printer_and_Fax_Under_UNIX_Based_Platforms Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 14:37 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Questions / bugs about PS Type1 support : http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2631/adobe-postscript-type-1-font-not-displaying-in-libreoffice-3532-mac/ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37453 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg05099.html https://forum.openoffice.org/nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=1197 That block of reports seems to be about Type 1 fonts not being recognized under MacOSX. http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/6045-type-1-fonts-not-seen-by-libreoffice-36-bodhi-201/page__view__findpost__p__56029 This one is about Type 1 fonts under Linux not recognized without afms present and it seems a little uncertain if that's the MacOSX issue as well The old add-fonts stuff in spadmin wouldn't have had any effect on either of those two issues. but note that this didn't used to be a requirement, before the switch to CUPS printing was made - previously, Type1 fonts were recognized in OOo automagically. I don't see a connection between Type1 fonts not being recognized on MacOSX and CUPS printing. Either way spadmin wouldn't help. C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Le 14/03/2014 14:37, Alex Thurgood a écrit : Let me add to the list : https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70184 Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Le 14/03/2014 14:37, Alex Thurgood a écrit : Call me a killjoy, but this one looks related too : https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38825 The user here, printing on older business printers, had to configure a specific font directory containing only PS Type 1 fonts in order for the conversion to PDF would work in a way allowing him to print his documents. Alex ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 15:13 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 14/03/2014 14:37, Alex Thurgood a écrit : Call me a killjoy, but this one looks related too : https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38825 The user here, printing on older business printers, had to configure a specific font directory containing only PS Type 1 fonts in order for the conversion to PDF would work in a way allowing him to print his documents. Again these don't have any connection to spadmin. Even when spadmin had the ability to add stuff into your font dirs it wouldn't have been able to be used to configure the dirs in the hacky way the reporter there used to workaround whatever the problem he had back then. C, ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Hi All, From my last job in retail-supplying I know a lot of Fax is still used in countries like Belgium, UK and a lot of African countries. We wheren't communicating directly between the faxes and libreoffice, but I wouldn't say that Fax isn't used anymore. Also in the legal the Fax is still used as a faxed document is legal in some countries but via email/internet isn't. -- Greetings, Rob Snelders Caolán McNamara schreef op 14-03-2014 13:40: On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 12:31 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: The fact that spadmin could be used to add Type1 PS fonts, which are no longer supported, if I understand correctly, has also been, and continues to be, an issue that crops up on the user list (and possibly also in BZ) for some people. Have you a link to an example because type 1 fonts just work, there was no removal of support for those. The add fonts ability of spadmin was removed in 2012 and prior to that was only visible if your system didn't support fontconfig which is a practically impossible situation for many years now so I'd like to understand that comment a little more. This could previously be set up in a PPD and included via spadmin, including on Mac OSX. I'm a little baffled, spadmin on MacOSX ?, what version included spadmin on MacOSX ? We certainly don't do it now. If there are cases where fiddling with the ppd manually and adding that via spadmin worked, would not the same solution work by using the system tools to set the replacement ppd for the printer ? e.g. using system-config-printer under Fedora and provide PPD file C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: spadmin, fax machines, etc. is this still useful ?
Hi Caolán, Caolán McNamara wrote (14-03-14 11:45) So the question is if any part of spadmin is still useful? Is there anyone still configuring fax machines or using the other options there, and if so for what purpose ? I would not be surprised.. but will ask some contacts to be more sure (for as far as my network is concerned). thanks for asking, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
