Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi Astron, Stefan Knorr píše v Pá 29. 06. 2012 v 09:50 +0200: sorry, it took so long... I have attached a mock-up of what I'd like. It builds on the last screenshot that you made available of the opaque menu bars – so hopefully it's current. As you can see, the proposal is quite simple... Just a small update on this; I have updated several things around this to make what you proposed possible, but the changes were a bit aggressive and I am not too eager to get them to libreoffice-3-6. There is still a bit of pending work to match your mockup more exactly; but that will be the easy part I guess. Relevant commits: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9b10ef9fc39dc0251b03d6d9285bb86aab29abee http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e280b01cafdfd5c7c3b5660a8e9031a9eeb2865c http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=682c4f1bf7b6548222321adbee5f64da61ae6685 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0a5b49e7199198974113dc2e8b68257b881fb9fb http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=dd7382353d4c248a6d6f9d21401480ccc37e2b9d http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=35c9ffb2750178b558c71af12240cd5809a0314e All the best, Kendy ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi Kendy, Astron Sorry, but you do not see another feature, which I think is a mistake. The new rulers have no boundary lines in black. Now, the cursor can be on the ruler, and the user does not understand this. (Please look carefully 2nd GIF-file http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3991801/note_3.gif). Thanks a lot, ape -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Window-background-was-Re-ANN-LibreOffice-3-6-0-0-beta2-available-for-testing-tp3992631p3992795.html Sent from the Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi ape, Kendy, (Mirek,) CC'ing Mirek, since he proposed the look... His eyes involuntarily seek the boundaries between objects: a page, the working area or a ruler. If the objects are: a) a very bright or dark; b) have almost the same color and have no boundary lines; c) have too much color contrast lens of the muscles are working constantly. So my eyes tire quickly. Therefore, all the Office Suites have The Windows that have color schemes are very similar. Tbh, I am not exactly sure what to take from this description ... I don't find it eye-straining to work with LibO 3.6. (Then again, for most actual productivity tasks I use Linux – where I am using the similarly light Clearlooks theme, though.) However, I agree that the document background is now a little light – even the colour Gray 10% is darker now than the default window background on Vista/7. What bugs me much more than the default being a bit light though is that the ruler background as well as the Start Center background colour will stay the same no matter what application background colour is chosen. IMHO these colours should be the same as the normal window background, IMHO. Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi Astron, On 2012-06-28 at 09:13 +0200, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote: His eyes involuntarily seek the boundaries between objects: a page, the working area or a ruler. If the objects are: a) a very bright or dark; b) have almost the same color and have no boundary lines; c) have too much color contrast lens of the muscles are working constantly. So my eyes tire quickly. Therefore, all the Office Suites have The Windows that have color schemes are very similar. Tbh, I am not exactly sure what to take from this description ... I don't find it eye-straining to work with LibO 3.6. (Then again, for most actual productivity tasks I use Linux – where I am using the similarly light Clearlooks theme, though.) However, I agree that the document background is now a little light – even the colour Gray 10% is darker now than the default window background on Vista/7. No problem there - just give me the RGB values we should use, and I'll put it there :-) What bugs me much more than the default being a bit light though is that the ruler background as well as the Start Center background colour will stay the same no matter what application background colour is chosen. IMHO these colours should be the same as the normal window background, IMHO. This might be harder - the handling of the color settings is much more complex than it should be, so not sure if I manage to do it in time for Beta3, and I am off for vacation after that; let's see. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi Kendy, No problem there - just give me the RGB values we should use, and I'll put it there :-) I experimented with it and thought 213,218,224 looked good. But no doubt, Mirek has an opinion on that... which we probably best hear before changing it, too. This might be harder - the handling of the color settings is much more complex than it should be, so not sure if I manage to do it in time for Beta3, and I am off for vacation after that; let's see. In that case, it might be best to leave the background as is for 3.6 (I think it's quite alright, so no real urgency to fix it and in consequence rub the other two problems in the user's face). Should I file bugs about the ruler bg and the Start Center bg staying the same, then? Anyway... I just noticed another sign of breakage that does need to be fixed: toolbars which are undocked or docked to the side/bottom: these still use the old-style gradient. I think it would be best to colour them (solidly) with the colour that's at the bottom of the toolbar. Else, the gradient from the top would repeat itself – which I don't think would look very attractive. (Again, I can file a bug about that.) Thanks for your quick answer, Astron. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi Astron, Mirek, Stefan Knorr píše v Čt 28. 06. 2012 v 14:48 +0200: No problem there - just give me the RGB values we should use, and I'll put it there :-) I experimented with it and thought 213,218,224 looked good. But no doubt, Mirek has an opinion on that... which we probably best hear before changing it, too. Mirek? :-) This might be harder - the handling of the color settings is much more complex than it should be, so not sure if I manage to do it in time for Beta3, and I am off for vacation after that; let's see. In that case, it might be best to leave the background as is for 3.6 (I think it's quite alright, so no real urgency to fix it and in consequence rub the other two problems in the user's face). Should I file bugs about the ruler bg and the Start Center bg staying the same, then? Yes, please do give me the bug number. I'll put there code pointers, in order to easy-hackize it. Anyway... I just noticed another sign of breakage that does need to be fixed: toolbars which are undocked or docked to the side/bottom: these still use the old-style gradient. I think it would be best to colour them (solidly) with the colour that's at the bottom of the toolbar. Else, the gradient from the top would repeat itself – which I don't think would look very attractive. (Again, I can file a bug about that.) Ah, good point. What is happening here is that we are still using the Windows theming for the toolbars that are not at the the top of the window. What would help most is if you made me a mockup how they should look like (realistic one, ie. it should look like this) for the horizontal, as well as the vertical toolbars. [It can be a gradient that spans over all the toolbars together, or solid color, or whatever. The only problem is that I need it ~now, in order to implement it tomorrow; I am leaving for vacation on Saturday.] Thanks a lot, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Window background (was: Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0.0 beta2 available for testing)
Hi Kendy, No problem there - just give me the RGB values we should use, and I'll put it there :-) I experimented with it and thought 213,218,224 looked good. But no doubt, Mirek has an opinion on that... which we probably best hear before changing it, too. This might be harder - the handling of the color settings is much more complex than it should be, so not sure if I manage to do it in time for Beta3, and I am off for vacation after that; let's see. In that case, it might be best to leave the background as is for 3.6 (I think it's quite alright, so no real urgency to fix it and in consequence rub the other two problems in the user's face). Should I file bugs about the ruler bg and the Start Center bg staying the same, then? Anyway... I just noticed another sign of breakage that does need to be fixed: toolbars which are undocked or docked to the side/bottom: these still use the old-style gradient. I think it would be best to colour them (solidly) with the colour that's at the bottom of the toolbar. Else, the gradient from the top would repeat itself – which I don't think would look very attractive. (Again, I can file a bug about that.) Thanks for your quick answer, Astron. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
