[Bug 103458] When tracking changes, backspacing over a deleted word should skip over it instead of moving inside it

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--- Comment #12 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #10)
> Regarding the lack of CC:s: I guess the majority of people does not use
> "record changes", just as a majority of users does not care to report issues.

FTR: tdf#109272 (an issue created a bit *later* than this one; also discussing
*change tracking*; also discussing cursor behavior when deleting ... - so very
similar) has *three* duplicates, and 8 people in CC list (4 of them are users,
not devs / QA). So again: the actual problems find their way to the Bugzilla,
and their dupe / CC count clearly indicates their importance.

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--- Comment #11 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #10)
> Regarding the lack of CC:s: I guess the majority of people does not use
> "record changes", just as a majority of users does not care to report issues.

This is a common misconception. Any real problem collects tens of duplicates;
so please don't bring this idea to defend.

Please file search problems separately. Thank you.

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[Bug 103458] When tracking changes, backspacing over a deleted word should skip over it instead of moving inside it

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--- Comment #10 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Conceptually deleted text is not there any more, but Writer treats it as if
it's still there (and I think that's wrong). I made an additional test:

Delete a word and replace it with a different one. Now when searching you can
find both the deleted one and the new one. I think that's wrong, too, but maybe
it's discussable. Maybe some preference setting could decide what the user
likes to see/find: Only current content, or also recorded old content.

I made yet another test: Replacing a letter in the middle of a word (e.g. in
"sam" replace the "a" with "i", creating "sim"): Now search neither finds the
old "sam", nor the new "sim"! That just looks wrong to me (but it might be a
different issue, even when originating from the same root).

Regarding the lack of CC:s: I guess the majority of people does not use "record
changes", just as a majority of users does not care to report issues.

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[Bug 103458] When tracking changes, backspacing over a deleted word should skip over it instead of moving inside it

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Mike Kaganski  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #9 from Mike Kaganski  ---
IMO, this is not a bug.
1. There is no harm created by the current behavior. Deleting something several
times does not break the document, nor creates anything in the current
redlines.

The alternatives could be:

* on Backspace, stay after the deletion, and eat one character before the
deletion (seemingly what is asked in comment o in "The correct thing"). This is
wrong: the backspace would then eat something not adjacent; you may even have a
situation, when an already deleted part is large, and the place where you
actually delete things is outside of the view.

* on Backspace, jump to before-the-existing-deletion, and delete one character
there. Still not ideal. The first deletion will still be non-adjacent to the
initial cursor position.

* on Backspace, jump to before-the-existing-deletion, and do nothing on this
first keypress. It would be somewhat better - but it would be conceptually no
different compared to the current situation: the first keypress would "delete
the deleted piece again".

Just moving back is something users naturally expect from Backspace; Word does
the same.

Since 2016, there was no duplicates for this; not a single new user CCed to
this (only OP and Ilmari from TDF are there in the list). No sign of a real
user demand.
Let me close it WONTFIX.

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--- Comment #8 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Created attachment 184954
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=184954=edit
Screencast showing the (d)effect

(In reply to QA Administrators from comment #7)
Version: 7.3.6.2 / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 30(Build:2)
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 5.14; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

On the screencast: a word left from the cursor was deleted before (so it really
does not exist any more). However when deleting via "backspace" key from
further right, the cursor is moved inside the word deleted already as if it
were still there.

Can you delete a word multiple times???

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 CC||ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensb
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--- Comment #6 from Ulrich Windl  ---
In 6.4.7.2 backspacing over a deleted word just does nothing, i.e.: the cursor
does not move at all.

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--- Comment #4 from Buovjaga  ---
Still repro

Arch Linux 64-bit
Version: 6.3.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: 1a5340788639ba71725338ddc5d340b2b304f4c2
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 4.20; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3; 
Locale: fi-FI (fi_FI.UTF-8); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded
Built on 26 January 2019

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Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||83946

--- Comment #3 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
still repro in

Версия: 6.1.4.2
ID сборки: 1:6.1.4-0ubuntu0.18.10.1
Потоков ЦП: 4; ОС:Linux 4.18; Отрисовка ИП: по умолчанию; VCL: gtk3_kde5; 
Локаль: ru-RU (ru_RU.UTF-8); Calc: group threaded

but it needs to retest it in current master (6.3) because in 6.3 were some
changes in track changes mechanism


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83946
[Bug 83946] [META] Tracking changes issues
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Buovjaga  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||todven...@suomi24.fi
Summary|cursor allows to delete |When tracking changes,
   |deleted word when recording |backspacing over a deleted
   |changes |word should skip over it
   ||instead of moving inside it
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #0)
> The correct thing would be to delete the character that precedes the deleted
> word.

Ok, in other words skipping backwards over the deleted word. I guess it would
be intuitive.

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