[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-06-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-06-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #28 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Hieko, still have comment 27 open to refine the default set of bullets.
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163735 as now located in common.xcs
rather than hardcoded.

These are for the default bullets shown on the 'Bullet Library' split button
customize dialog. 

But customizable as for bug 69724 and
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/167660

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #27 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #26)
> Obviously comment 20 is well thought-out.

So, are we good for Samuel to add just the simpler set of changes? As still
open on gerrit [1], ending with this set of glyphs in the slots, w/tt changes
to the quick pick buttons:

top row
• U+2022 (tt. solid small circular bullets)
● U+25cf (tt. solid large circular bullets)
○ U+25cb (tt. unfilled circular bullets)
□ U+25a1 (tt. unfilled square/checkbox bullets)
bottom row
► U+25ba (tt. solid right pointer bullets)
→ U+2192 (tt. right pointing arrow bullets)
- U+002d (tt. typographic hyphen bullets)
– U+2013 (tt. en-dash bullets)


[1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163735

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #25 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #24)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #22)
> > The typographic hyphen "-" U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS was only bcz OpenSymbol does
> > not cover it. The "‐" U+2010 HYPHEN would be fine if we move outside
> > OpenSymbol.
> True, most of the glyphs in my comment 21 are not covered by OpenSymbol.
> However, why do we need a hyphen (U+002D) and the EN-dash (U+2013)? We could
> add the left-ward pointing arrow (U+2190) instead of the simple hyphen for
> the RTL folks.
> 

IIRC there have been statements that the hyphen/en-dash was an *expected*
stylistic bullet format in some EU locales. I know it was requested.

> And a small and big circular bullet seems to be a bit redundant. Perhaps
> replace U+2022 with the hand-pointer (U+E205)?

No can do, U+E205 is a PUA glyph, so would be the glyph at U+261E. Also should
reverse U+261C for bullet lists in RTL locales

But I do think there is some slot sequence of the bullets to consider when used
in 1-10 level lists/outlines. Why I'd thought to leave the small/large alone.
And why the tooltips for each quick pick slot also will need to be adjusted
(couldn't find them in source though).

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #24 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #22)
> The typographic hyphen "-" U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS was only bcz OpenSymbol does
> not cover it. The "‐" U+2010 HYPHEN would be fine if we move outside
> OpenSymbol.
True, most of the glyphs in my comment 21 are not covered by OpenSymbol.
However, why do we need a hyphen (U+002D) and the EN-dash (U+2013)? We could
add the left-ward pointing arrow (U+2190) instead of the simple hyphen for the
RTL folks.

And a small and big circular bullet seems to be a bit redundant. Perhaps
replace U+2022 with the hand-pointer (U+E205)?

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #23 from Susan Cragin  ---
(In reply to Susan Cragin from comment #14)
> I'd just like to add a vote for this, and for empty squares.
> In Google Docs, I can put in an empty square and then right-mouse and change
> that one to a check mark. Great for to-do lists. 
> An empty box is great for other lists, especially the paper ones I pass out
> to my students. Half of them don't bring computers to class, and I am always
> having them fill out forms. (You'd be surprised at what community college
> students don't have!)
> Also, when students study for classes, they typically now type their class
> notes, then print them out and study from them by highlighting them and
> scribbling all over them. And so there's a screen / paper thing going on
> there, too. Good for empty boyes

This is still my viewpoint. Empty boxes / squares are essential for teachers.
And they are also liked very much by the bujo ("bullet journal") contingent.

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #22 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #21)
> My proposal based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_(typography)
> ...

Was looking for simplicity in implementation.

And that set of bullet glyphs would require modification to our bundled
OpenSymbol to add missing glyph coverage, or possibly select glyphs from the
other LO bundled fonts, e.g. 'DejaVu Sans Mono'--which *is* now feasible as the
font is no longer fixed as refactored.   

Also, the 4x2 layout of the thumb preview buttons on the quick view split
button would need to be reworked--resize/shape the preview samples or eliminate
the 4x2 quick select for a listbox.

The typographic hyphen "-" U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS was only bcz OpenSymbol does not
cover it. The "‐" U+2010 HYPHEN would be fine if we move outside OpenSymbol.

And while not on your list--we've have had numerous community requests to use
the large White Square/large White Circle as bullets to allow a checkbox effect
(user resizable via customize). Since we'd be expanding beyond 8 slots, should
include those as well.

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze  ---
My proposal based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_(typography)

* U+2022 • BULLET (, )
* U+2023 ‣ TRIANGULAR BULLET
* U+2043 ⁃ HYPHEN BULLET ()
  U+204C ⁌ BLACK LEFTWARDS BULLET
  U+204D ⁍ BLACK RIGHTWARDS BULLET
  U+2219 ∙ BULLET OPERATOR for use in mathematical notation primarily
  U+25CB ○ WHITE CIRCLE ()
  U+25CF ● BLACK CIRCLE
  U+25D8 ◘ INVERSE BULLET
* U+25E6 ◦ WHITE BULLET
  U+2619 ☙ REVERSED ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET; see Fleuron (typography)
  U+2765 ❥ ROTATED HEAVY BLACK HEART BULLET
* U+2767 ❧ ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET; see Fleuron (typography)
  U+29BE ⦾ CIRCLED WHITE BULLET ()
  U+29BF ⦿ CIRCLED BULLET ()
* U+25C9 ◉ FISHEYE used in Japan as a bullet, and called tainome.

plus
* U+1F599  Sideways White Right Pointing Index
* U+2794 ➔ Heavy Wide-Headed Rightwards Arrow

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #20 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Recent discussion on commit [1] for some rework of the Bullet quick select from
March 2024

With refactoring of the default Bullet quick select button and now residing in
common.xcs [2] and more easily optimized, suggest a change from current list:

• U+2022 (tt. solid small circular bullets)
● U+25cf (tt. solid large circular bullets)
 U+e00c (tt. solid diamond bullets) //OpenSymbol PUA
 U_e00a (tt. solid large square bullets) //OpenSymbol PUA
➔ U+2794 (tt. right pointing arrow bullets filled out)
➢ U+27a2 (tt. right pointing arrow bullets)
✗ U+2717 (tt. cross mark bullets)
✔ U+2714 (tt. checkmark bullets)

To be replaced with this set of glyphs, w/tt changes:
top row
• U+2022 (tt. solid small circular bullets)
● U+25cf (tt. solid large circular bullets)
○ U+25cb (tt. unfilled circular bullets)
□ U+25a1 (tt. unfilled square/checkbox bullets)
bottom row
► U+25ba (tt. solid right pointer bullets)
→ U+2192 (tt. right pointing arrow bullets)
- U+002d (tt. typographic hyphen bullets)
– U+2013 (tt. en-dash bullets)

These represent the most common past requests for changes to the default set of
Bullet choices from OpenSymbol font, while dropping the cross and checkmark
bullets. 

The quick select *could* be expanded beyond its current 8 "preview thumbnails"
or more completely refactored. But not a priority as it is trivial to use the
'Bullets and Numbering' customize for 'Bullets' 1-10 levels and save to
template for reuse. This change to the default offering will benefit those
users who have to go the customize/template route currently.

@Samuel, * -- with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163735, dropping the
 RID_SVXSTR_BULLET_DESCRIPTION_[0-7] where are those tool tips coming from?
They'd need a tweak as well... 

-=ref-=
[1] 
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/163735/3/officecfg/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcs#3341
[2]
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/officecfg/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office/Common.xcs?r=fe66cf8c#3330

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-05-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-02-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Commit Notification 
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Samuel Mehrbrodt committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/f944648e0f5d52605a267ed50bba4bfc035aecc6

tdf#108697 Allow modifying default bullet selection

It will be available in 24.8.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2024-02-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2023-09-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #18 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 157025 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2021-02-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2020-03-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 131160 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2018-02-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2018-02-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Gerry  ---
Hi, I would like to ask what the current status is with regard to the "new
default set of bullet characters"? 

I also would like to ask how to transfer information from bug 106507 to here,
because this bug here is more comprehensive.

In that bug (here short summary), I had suggested to add following (they exist
in OpenSymbol):

– (U+2013)  (EN DASH, in German: "Halbgeviertstrich") 
‐ (U+2010) "Divis" (in English: hyphen) (not in OpenSymbol; thus Jay refers to
U+2D (HYPHEN-MINUS), which is similar but not the same)
▸ (U+25B8) (BLACK RIGHT-POINTING SMALL TRIANGLE) 
→ (U+2192) (RIGHTWARDS ARROW) 

In the discussion to that bug, Heiko (and Jay) were particularly in favor of
the addition of EN DASH (Halbgeviertstrich), since it contributes to the
typographical standardization (it is a typographic standard (e.g. in Germany)).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13)
> I support this idea.

I'm assuming this is U+25A1 and according to the google spreadsheet, you listed
it as 'No' (row 19). :D

(In reply to Susan Cragin from comment #14)
> And I'd like to repeat my comment that we should avoid anything that uses up
> too much toner, or have options that don't. I never use solid boxes partly
> for this reason. 

All bullets are small so they dont take up much toner and ultimately its the
user's choice of what bullet they prefer to use.

> If you are developing other list markers, may I suggest something that means
> a question? Students often make lists of questions. Or points to remember !
> Maybe you could have fat question marks and exclamation points.

We are gathering a list of commonly used ones to use as defaults.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Susan Cragin  ---
I'd just like to add a vote for this, and for empty squares.
In Google Docs, I can put in an empty square and then right-mouse and change
that one to a check mark. Great for to-do lists. 
An empty box is great for other lists, especially the paper ones I pass out to
my students. Half of them don't bring computers to class, and I am always
having them fill out forms. (You'd be surprised at what community college
students don't have!)
Also, when students study for classes, they typically now type their class
notes, then print them out and study from them by highlighting them and
scribbling all over them. And so there's a screen / paper thing going on there,
too. Good for empty boyes
And I'd like to repeat my comment that we should avoid anything that uses up
too much toner, or have options that don't. I never use solid boxes partly for
this reason. 
If you are developing other list markers, may I suggest something that means a
question? Students often make lists of questions. Or points to remember ! Maybe
you could have fat question marks and exclamation points.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Susan Cragin from bug 110455)
> It would be nice to have an empty square box as an option. I am a teacher
> and print out lists that my students check off on paper copies. 
> In addition, the solid boxes (and the circle) take up too much toner so I
> never use them anyway.

I support this idea.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-09-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 110455 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Gerry  ---
Hi, 

referring to bug 106507 on "4 more default bullet types", there was kind of an
agreement on new dash bullet types. I take some info from comment 8 in that bug
by Yousuf:

There were three dash types discused:
- (U+2013) "Halbgeviertstrich" (in English: en dash / en rule)
‐ (U+2010) "Divis" (in English: hyphen) // TextEdit and iWork Pages have a dash
preset, though Pages uses U+2D (which IMHO looks the same like U+2010)

Indeed, it would be helpful to have two good dash bullet types. I personally
prefer the U+2013, as it is a typographic standard in Germany (and other West
European countries?) plus one shorter dash type, like U+2010 or U+2D

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Jay, we can change what we need to for OpenSymbol. 

Currently we are at v102.10 with 1055 glyphs, Mike K. did the last major batch
of changes.

But as Khaled mentions we have to be mindful of spots in the UI that call
glyphs from OpenSymbol by PUA codepoint.

So aside for bullets as here, IMHO OpenSymbol needs rework to ween ourselves
from the PUA use in OpenSymbol to improve font fallback and for better use when
substituting fonts in the LO UI.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Khaled Hosny  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #8)
> (In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #7)
> > No to both questions, but be aware that there is code somewhere that depends
> > on the exact code points in the font and will have to be fixed first.
> 
> So any idea how to get in touch with the maintainer?

I have no idea who he is.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #7)
> No to both questions, but be aware that there is code somewhere that depends
> on the exact code points in the font and will have to be fixed first.

So any idea how to get in touch with the maintainer? Well we could always copy
the glyphs to the new location and not disturb the other code. ;D

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Khaled Hosny  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #6)
> (In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #5)
> > I only touch OpenSymbol when I really really have to.
> 
> So does that mean you are the maintainer? Would moving existing glyphs from
> one unicode position to another position be a difficult thing to do?

No to both questions, but be aware that there is code somewhere that depends on
the exact code points in the font and will have to be fixed first.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #5)
> I only touch OpenSymbol when I really really have to.

So does that mean you are the maintainer? Would moving existing glyphs from one
unicode position to another position be a difficult thing to do?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from Khaled Hosny  ---
I only touch OpenSymbol when I really really have to.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
I'm gathering all the information on this issue in this google drive folder

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6qJrVIa0SAlMTR1ZjhaQVNxVk0

and working on the new list in this google spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ZnF1nkNXzbwb9rjCxztfxnXYAv5bK9QSsyTklOdqmI/edit?usp=sharing

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #3)
> Agree some change to that list are needed, and perhaps expand in the UI as
> for bug 106507

I think bug 106507 can be closed as a duplicate of this.

> But, we are limited to what we provide hardcoded to OpenSymbol; and that
> font will likely need additional glyphs and movement of glyphs from PUA to
> correct Unicode codepoint.

Yep that would need to be done. Who is maintainer of OpenSymbol? Khaled: Would
that happen to be you. :D

> For example:
> BLACK DIAMOND SUIT U+e00c -> U+2666

U+E00C should go into U+25C6 (BLACK DIAMOND)
U+E002 should go into U+2666

> BLACK SQUARE U+e00a -> U+25a0

yep

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108697

--- Comment #3 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Jay, *

Agree some change to that list are needed, and perhaps expand in the UI as for
bug 106507

current list of bullets is here:

http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/svx/source/dialog/svxbmpnumvalueset.cxx#68

But, we are limited to what we provide hardcoded to OpenSymbol; and that font
will likely need additional glyphs and movement of glyphs from PUA to correct
Unicode codepoint.

For example:
BLACK DIAMOND SUIT U+e00c -> U+2666
BLACK SQUARE U+e00a -> U+25a0

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108697

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Isn't this a dup of bug 106507?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108697

--- Comment #1 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
This list along with the unicode values for these bullets as well as images are
available in this google doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-6zkZl5LiICnUILhv1CfIHIdyQFyTJKp7XGST5zq5U/edit#bookmark=id.fjy2txljed77

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108697] New default set of bullet characters

2017-06-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108697

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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