[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |desktop.org |tion.org Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze --- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/164001 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #15 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #14) > The problem is clear and accepted. You rejected my proposal (for good > reason) and should come up with something better. And something with up or > down makes no sense to me when the action is kinda toggle. OK, so think that ++E (for Endnote or Footnote) may work well, it is an unassigned global and is also available in Writer that I see. Also, the single key toggle action of .uno:JumpToFootnoteOrAnchor seems more functional UI than the prior .uno:JumpToFootnoteArea, which requires a to return back to the anchor in the document. Suggest we go with the toggle and tweak the Help article. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze --- The problem is clear and accepted. You rejected my proposal (for good reason) and should come up with something better. And something with up or down makes no sense to me when the action is kinda toggle. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote --- Well not really random, but a shortcut needs to be assigned. As otherwise there is no assigned means to enter the footnote/endnote area (one of the Jump to controls) an a11y issue bcz areas within the document can not be reached with AT, i.e. via keyboard only movements. Using mouse point-n-click is not enough. And expecting *all* users to identify an appropriate control to assign to a shortcut is not viable UX in this instance. Better that we pick one, and document in the help. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #11) > pick an *unused* shortcut -1 to randomly assign a shortcut -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||rayk...@gmail.com --- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote --- Nope, ++N is assigned LibreOffice global for the "Templates..." manager as .uno:NewDoc; don't think we want that overridden for Writer. @Heiko, would you go ahead and pick an *unused* shortcut and assign the .uno:JumpToFootnoteOrAnchor toggle. Then Olivier and team can adjust the documentation against the replacement shortcut. And we might see if Jim thinks a SB context menu placement for jumping to the footnote area makes sense. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- I struggle with the workflow. Clicking a specific footnote is challenging enough but to get some shortcut working might be even harder. I like Stuart's idea to toggle between the footnote _area_ and the document with "To Footnote Area". But I see not reason for shift+ctrl+PgUp/Down; since shift+ctrl+F is used for repeat search we may use shift+ctrl+N. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #8) > so the toggle JumpToFootNoteArea control makes more sense to s/toggle JumpToFootNoteArea/toggle JumpToFootnoteOrAnchor/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Olivier Hallot from comment #7) Partly, but the current incorrect documentation applys to usage of the .uno:JumpToFootnoteArea whose shortcut had been reassigned. So documentation in URL as listed above [1] needs attention. However, my suggestion was that the alternative control .uno:JumpToFootnoteOrAnchor which functions as a toggle focus between the anchor and the footnote would provide a better UX than the prior JumptoFootnoteArea and its associated to return to the the anchor in canvas. Either control is fine. Just that the ++ is no longer assigned and probably should not be reused as the global Zoom controls are relatively more significant. A different shortcut is needed for entering the footnote area, so the toggle JumpToFootNoteArea control makes more sense to assign and document in help. =-ref-= [1] https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/guide/footnote_usage.html?DbPAR=WRITER#bm_id3145819 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #7 from Olivier Hallot --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #6) > () > But immediate issue here remains one of correcting documentation of the > reassigned shortcut. In summary, command .uno:JumpToFootnoteOrAnchor (Module Writer, UI string is "To Footnote Anchor" ) is - not assigned to a keyboard shortcut in Writer at factory settings - not available in any Writer menu or toolbar - no Help page of it own or as entry in any Help page. Has this command been used any time in history? Before documenting it in Help I think the command should be exposed in the UI or a keyboard shortcut assigned as indicated in comment#1. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||accessibility --- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Jason White from comment #5) > I take the view that components of the UI that cannot be accessed via a > keyboard by default need to be made keyboard-accessible, either through a > menu option or a key mapping. This is generally how keyboard operability > accessibility requirements are understood and interpreted, and justifiably > so. Yes, and I do verify that from 7.6.0 onward there is no keyboard only navigation down into the footnote area currently mapped, and requiring customization. So a usability issue with a11y impact. Should probably map a new keyboard shortcut, and kind of seems like a contextual menu entry somewhere would be of use. The SB Navigator deck handling of the Footnote objects 'Go to' action only moves focus to the anchor on the document canvas, not to the associated footnote. But immediate issue here remains one of correcting documentation of the reassigned shortcut. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #5 from Jason White --- I take the view that components of the UI that cannot be accessed via a keyboard by default need to be made keyboard-accessible, either through a menu option or a key mapping. This is generally how keyboard operability accessibility requirements are understood and interpreted, and justifiably so. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Jason White from comment #3) > The essence of this bug is that users shouldn't have to edit key bindings to > obtain this functionality - there should be a default keyboard assignment. Why? Reallocation of Ctrl + Shift + PgDn for the global Zoom-out / Zoom-in pair was dev choice, under UX advisement. The shortcut assignment was removed, UNO function remains for customization, users can choose a shortcut of their liking. See: https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/01/06140200.html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id2322763 > Having the function available but unassigned probably doesn't satisfy > accessibility standards/regulations for keyboard operation either (e.g., > public procurement standards that inherit WCAG 2.0, criterion 2.1.1). Sorry, not going down that rabbit hole. This is a simple documentation issue. There are hundreds of potential UNO actions (across the UI) that could be preassigned to fixed shortcuts, many of them of great potential benefit for keyboard navigation and often assistive technology tool support. Assigning a shortcut for either .uno:JumpToFootnoteArea (with change in documentation) or reassigning one to .uno:JumpToFootnoteOrAnchor is probably now a reasonable improvement to do (movement into the footnote area previously had a shortcut, so folks expect it) but that is not the main issue of a now incorrectly documented shortcut action. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 --- Comment #3 from Jason White --- The essence of this bug is that users shouldn't have to edit key bindings to obtain this functionality - there should be a default keyboard assignment. Having the function available but unassigned probably doesn't satisfy accessibility standards/regulations for keyboard operation either (e.g., public procurement standards that inherit WCAG 2.0, criterion 2.1.1). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 159863] Ctl + Shift + PgDn no longer assigned to JumpToFootnoteArea
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|A command to move focus to |Ctl + Shift + PgDn no |a footnote should be bound |longer assigned to |to a keyboard shortcut by |JumpToFootnoteArea |default.| -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
