[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #39 from Luke --- This could be solved in 2 stages. First, create the 2 classes: * Typographical Unit – default point for line spacing, font size, and line width * Ruler Units – margin, page ruler, shape size dimensions etc. This is how MS Office works now. If enough people wanted it, we could later add the option to have both configurable like WordPerfect. The two classes could be changed in Option > General Measurement Unit. This should make most people happy while avoiding a complex UI. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #38 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Luke from comment #37) > Use 2 classes, a general measurement unit of in. or mm.(page, margin, ruler > dimensions etc.) And a typography class where point is commonly used (line > spacing, font, line width etc). Sounds like a good compromise. Do you think the typograhical unit needs customization, ie. anything else but pt as default? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #37 from Luke --- Word, WordPerfect, and Google Docs are all Office Suites. They all use the point for Line Spacing, Font size, and Line Width. *This is the natural unit for typography.* This is what our default should be. LibreOffice is an Office Suite and should follow this model. Using an image editor, GIMP, that is notorious for having a poorly designed UI[1] as our model to follow is how we will get relighted to obscurity for our overly complex UI. Having the user set the measurement unit on a per dialog basis will be a UI disaster just like GIMP. We have a perfectly good model to follow that millions of office users use every day and are happy with. Let's not screw this up with a over-engineered, extremely complex solution when a simple solution exists: Use 2 classes, a general measurement unit of in. or mm.(page, margin, ruler dimensions etc.) And a typography class where point is commonly used(line spacing, font, line width etc). This is how other Office Suites work. This is the correct solution for the vast majority of Office users. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/u5m7xo/why_is_gimp_still_so_bad/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #36 from varuncvarada+documentfoundation@gmail.com --- Since the other ticket has been marked as a duplicate: the default page units for metric units should be millimetres, not centimetres. This is the overwhelming international standard. Like others have said here, sure, it is "preference" if some people want to change it, and the settings dialogue box exists for that purpose, but the defaults should be sensible so that most people don't have to change it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||varuncvarada+documentfounda ||tion@gmail.com --- Comment #35 from Heiko Tietze --- *** Bug 161246 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #34 from Heiko Tietze --- Taking "Spacing above paragraph" as example, and I am on metric units means when I enter "1 in" it becomes 2.54cm - correct. But "10 px" become "10 cm" (no warning), "1 mm" is for some reason "0,1 cm", and "0,35 cm" in the sidebar 11,3pt but inserted in the dialog 0 (guess the comma is not working). Ultimately it works as expected with some issues. Foremost usability blocker is that this feature is completely hidden. Maybe we could give some feedback by a warning status if the unit is not recognized together with a tooltip what is possible. Nice enhancement yet not really needed is the "complex" formula (would be bug 158685). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #33 from Sahil Gautam --- What are your opinions on this. We add support for arithmetic, like gimp does, and for units, we will take the unit of the last metric in the equation. Like if the current entry is 1 cm, and some one adds 1 pt to it, then the sum is displayed as 29.3 pt (taking the unit of 1 pt). If we want to keep the unit same, we can have an extra + 0 cm at the end. If no unit is specified, then the current unit is used for that number. (And once the unit has been changed, it will be remembered) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #32 from Sahil Gautam --- Summarizing: So there are a lot of spinedits for setting number values for different things, say paragraph spacing, border/margin width etc. And all those have a number and a unit. Now the issue is that for the whole application (calc/writer etc), we have a single unit for all such spinedits under the application, which is like "one size trying to fit all" situation. The solutions proposed are a) modify the spinedit to show a dropdown when clicked on the unit, so that the user can choose the appropriate unit. b) the gimp way of doing it (where what we type in inside the spinedit will manipulate the unit (comment 31). The GSoC Idea page also talks about remembering unit per spinedit (ideally), and some way to change the precision as number with more/less decimal places are typed in. My take: I just jumped in looking at the cool spinedit mod, but now that I see the whole picture, the gimp way makes more sense, because in the approach (a), most of the energy goes into creating a new spinedit, which looks cool, but might not be as functional as the the ones gimp has. Also if approach (a) is implemented, then clicking on the modified spinedit (unit area) will show the units dropdown, which might come in the way if later someone tries to add some of the approach (b) features. Currently if the spinedit has the units in pt, and I type 1cm (after clearing the whole entry, then it converts that to pt, and shows the new unit 28.3pt. But any arithmetic conversion/binary operation doesn't work right now (either with same units, or with different units) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #31 from Heiko Tietze --- Interesting alternative by GIMP: https://librearts.org/2020/07/how-to-use-math-input-in-gimp/. GIMP allows to add the unit at the spinedit, even mixed with simple arithmetic (see bug 158685), and the data is converted into the defined unit. For example: 5ft+4in => 162.56 (cm). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||8685 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||1258 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||7899 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||greenandpleasant2000-suppor ||t...@yahoo.co.uk --- Comment #30 from Heiko Tietze --- *** Bug 147899 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tele...@surfxs.nl --- Comment #29 from Heiko Tietze --- *** Bug 141094 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40 ||656 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||5988 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88 ||132 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12 ||8055 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #27 from Luke --- The request here is to allow difference measurement units for typography vs Page Properties. No one is asking to remove pica as a typography choice. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 --- Comment #26 from Roland Hutchinson --- Some of you young whipper-snappers may very well believe that all typographical measurements are supposed to be in PostScript points. Well, font size and leading are traditionally given in points, but LINE LENGTH is given in PICAS. When using PostScript points, of course these will be PostScript picas (1/6 international inch exactly). When using picas, fractions of a pica should be expressed in points, not as decimal fractions of a pica. Thus, 10p6 rather than 10.5 pc, or 10p8.2 rather than 10.6 pc. (Adobe supports this -- so can we!) Hardcoding any measurement unit as mandatory would of course a dreadful mistake. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Jean-Baptiste Faure changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jbfa...@libreoffice.org --- Comment #25 from Jean-Baptiste Faure --- (In reply to Luke from comment #23) > > 1) Hard code "point" as the unit of measure in all dialogs with typography > units. Which definition of "point" do you want use? In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_(typography)I see several definitions, and, if I am not wrong, no official standard. SI unit system is the only common standard and should be used as the basis for all units chosen by the end-user. Best regards. JBF -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 72662] Use Different Measurement Units for Line vs Page Properties (e.g. point vs inch)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72662 Luke changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Different Measurement Units |Use Different Measurement |for Line vs Page Properties |Units for Line vs Page |(e.g. point vs inch)|Properties (e.g. point vs ||inch) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
