[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 106756] Default Theme and Icon Set

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 Resolution|FIXED   |WONTFIX

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 106756] Default Theme and Icon Set

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Thibaut Brandscheid  changed:

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 Resolution|WONTFIX |FIXED

--- Comment #10 from Thibaut Brandscheid  ---
I have the impression that the arguments for a change to a unique theme & icon
set have not been perceived. In the issue I point at problems which exist today
and are caused by using the system theme as default. Even if there is right now
no replacement for the native theme, the discussion could take place here. Also
the potential of having more control over the visual and possible branding
implications might be worth some words.

Spending time on improving the fallback-theme makes only sense if the result is
later somewhat used/seen by users. In the case of that there is no interest in
changing the theme from native to a default, the fallback can maybe stay as it
is. If there is interest, we should outline how such a unique  theme & icon set
should look, how it could be implemented, what limitation exist...

Anyway, I gladly accept the offer to point me to relevant code paths to learn
about how the fallback works.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 106756] Default Theme and Icon Set

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Jan Holesovsky  changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC||qui...@gmail.com
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #9 from Jan Holesovsky  ---
As we talked in the Design meeting, we cannot force a default here - clearly we
don't have any good one that would work on all platforms, ESC was against too,
and some more points are in the comment 8.

What you can do though is improving the "fallback theme" so that it evolves
into something beautiful.  This fallback theme can be forced on all platforms
(export SAL_NO_NWF=1 was mentioned - but when it is good enough, we can surely
make it easier).  Any improvements in this one would be much appreciated.

As such - I think it's best to close this bug as WONTFIX, and instead it would
be great if you can create a new bug for improving the "fallback theme" step by
step.

Such an effort would be very appreciated, and I'm happy to provide you with
code pointers where to hack.  Tomaz also had good ideas there - I think he'd be
willing to help you too; CC'ing him.  I hope this works for you?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 106756] Default Theme and Icon Set

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103184
[Bug 103184] [META] UI theming bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 106756] Default Theme and Icon Set

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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Caolán McNamara replied at the mailing list:

On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 22:15 +0100, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> In tdf#106756 [1] the fundamental idea to blend LibreOffice well into
> the system theme is challenged. While we may be able to solve most of
> the issues the idea is tempting to have a unique look and feel with
> the possibility to customize the default according the system. 

I very much disagree, I want the gtk3 LibreOffice to blend in with the
system gtk3 theme. And in some places we are using the native gtk3
stuff directly so it's out of our hands already, e.g. menubar, menus,
file picker, tooltips, popovers, whether modal dialogs are locked in
position or not. I'd like to go further there and use more native
widgets rather than the current scheme of using our own widgets and
using the gtk theming apis to render them.

I think the specific bug should be split up into the pieces that are
causing problems and see if they are currently been taken from the
wrong parts of the system theme and can be individually improved.

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--- Comment #7 from Thibaut Brandscheid  ---
> I'm not sure what the scope of Thibaut's suggestion is vs. our current
> backends. Would we still adapt window and dialog widgets, buttons and
> checkboxes etc. to the desktop env or operating system? Is the
> proposal only about unified colors and icons?

I wrote by purpose nothing about details. After we decide to go with a default
theme and icon set, we could discuss how fare these changes should reach, if we
use native or custom widgets... and what the advantages of either of them are.
For now the issue is primary about having a default theme and icon set.

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Buovjaga  changed:

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 CC||todven...@suomi24.fi

--- Comment #6 from Buovjaga  ---
To comment on the mailing list discussion, where Firefox was mentioned:
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2017-March/077408.html

Mozilla has not refused system integration feature requests, like this for KDE:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510
So given the manpower and a solution, Firefox could ship with a proper KDE
integration and openSUSE's hacky solution could be dropped.

I'm not sure what the scope of Thibaut's suggestion is vs. our current
backends. Would we still adapt window and dialog widgets, buttons and
checkboxes etc. to the desktop env or operating system? Is the proposal only
about unified colors and icons?

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LibreTraining  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from LibreTraining  ---
Sounds like a great idea.
Makes perfect sense.
Consistency is one of the stated UX goals.

Why would any of this be controversial?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 106756] Default Theme and Icon Set

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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   Keywords||needsDevAdvice, needsUXEval
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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Version|3.3.0 release   |unspecified
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Popcorn!

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--- Comment #3 from Thibaut Brandscheid  ---
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pic3 - LibreOffice fallback theme

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--- Comment #2 from Thibaut Brandscheid  ---
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pic2 - openSUSE, i3, paragraph highlighting issue

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--- Comment #1 from Thibaut Brandscheid  ---
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pic1 - FreeBSD, i3, dark theme

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