[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108276

Buovjaga  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 CC||todven...@suomi24.fi
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #9 from Buovjaga  ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 107679 ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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--- Comment #8 from Kevin  ---
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further documentation of user-unfriendly UI

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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--- Comment #7 from Kevin  ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #6)
> I reported the same issue (bug 107679). It's supposed to be a feature =)
> 
> You can click on the gray line to choose a new border style (first click),

Here's that "feature =)" in action:

1. click on an empty cell with no formatting
2. set the border style to a fat red line
3. click until the border is shown as a grey line
4. okay the dialog

nada ... no border is applied

The user is given the ability to turn a line grey - and forced to always click
through this option - and yet there is no case that I've found where said
cumbersome option actually does anything.

It's like walking into a dark room, but to get to the light switch, you have to
first switch on two other switches but don't do anything other than give you
access to the functional light switch.

I understand why Calc would SHOW me a grey line and what it means; I don't
understand why Calc gives me the ability to turn a line grey and forces me to
make this decision every single time I need to remove a border - a border that
Calc has put there against my will because it fails to implement Excel's wonder
ability to "paste copied cells" above or below, thus allowing the user to
control border formatting in bulk and not have use the format cells/border
dialog every time to remove the unwanted additions.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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--- Comment #6 from Telesto  ---
I reported the same issue (bug 107679). It's supposed to be a feature =)

As Buovjaga stated:

http://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/WG4.2/PDF/WG4209-WorkingWithTables.pdf
Page 13:
"When the selected cells have different styles of border the User-defined area
shows the border as a gray line. You can click on the gray line to choose a new
border style (first click), leave the border as it is (second click) or delete
the border (third click)."

Could it be made somehow more obvious? Personally, this is news to me. Let's
circle this through the UX meatgrinder.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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--- Comment #5 from Kevin  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #4)
> Please read chapter "User Defined Borders in Cells" in the help.

Here's what it says: "A gray line is shown when the corresponding line of the
selected cells will not be changed. No line will be set or removed at this
position."

First, it says "cells", plural - only one cell is selected.

Second, and more importantly, there is no line to remove and as the Help file
tells us: "no line will be set or removed at this position". In other words,
the grey line is not something that the user should be able to "set". The grey
line should be SHOWN, to inform the user, but should not be present in the
sequence of states that occurs as you repeatedly click on the corresponding
line location. If the grey line is there, the user should be able to click it
to make it go away, but there's no logical reason for the user to click where
there is no grey line in order to place one there.

If I'm missing something, please explain to me what the difference is when I am
editing a single cells with no borders and I choose between white and grey? If
there's no difference, why is it showing me grey as a choice.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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Regina Henschel  changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Regina Henschel  ---
Please read chapter "User Defined Borders in Cells" in the help.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 108276] UI for grey lines in Format Cells/ Border allows illogical and confusing settings

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--- Comment #3 from Kevin  ---
To put it another way, the thick grey line is to provide the user with
information. Putting the cell into a state where the thick grey line is
appropriate is not something a user can do from within this dialog (and
certainly not if only a single cell is selected). It's necessary for the widget
to exist that makes clicking on the border a 3-state cycle, but that widget
should only be presented to the user in situation where three states exist. If
it's just a single cell, you can either have a border, or not have a border.
Only two states of the border should be cycled through with repeated clicking.
Every unnecessary click takes time, causes confusion and contributes to the
development of carpal tunnel syndrome.

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--- Comment #2 from Kevin  ---
Created attachment 133774
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screenshot for 108276

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--- Comment #1 from Kevin  ---
Created attachment 133773
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spreadsheet includes steps - 108276

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