[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---


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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #9 from OfficeUser  ---
Hi guys,

thanks for your comments.

@V Stuart Foote:

>> Sure it would be useful, but where it gets added to the UI is less of an 
>> issue than how the "preview" gets generated for use in a LO document.
>> ...
>> But it would _not_ be helpful to drag a full PDF through pdfio filter just 
>> to render a preview for use in page selection.
>> ...
>> But I would defer to Miklos' sensibilities as I know he has more in mind 
>> with the ipdf (pdfium based filter) and that enhancement may provide better 
>> preview/selection of page(s) for insertion.

I agree that generating previews by "drag a full PDF through pdfio" makes no
sense  
while the intention of my proposal is to REDUCE the date that needs to be
processed by the filter.


I cannot say something about "ipdf (pdfium based filter)". It would be great if
it can be used for this purpose because especially on windows platform we
cannot expect a ghostscript installation for every user.




@ Yousuf Philips (jay)
>> I understand your suggestion, but having a dialog interrupt the opening of a 
>> file isnt something we do other formats...

I see your point. But PDF is a very complex format that can easily push
LibreOffice and the hardware to it's limits. In addition I do not expect that
there are many users that use LibreOffice as every-day PDD viewer. So I think
most users should not have any problem with such a dialog. Please also consider
that this doialog can be set to all pages by default so that the users just
need to click OK to have the old behavior of a complete import.




@Heiko:
>> There are plenty of PDF tools to merge or split files [1]. LibreOffice is 
>> not a PDF editor and this request is out of scope to me.

I don't agree. We are talking about convinience here. With your argument,
LibreOffice would also need no PDF export. But PDF export has become a very
appreciated feature of LibreOffice.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #8 from Miklos Vajna  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)
> But I would defer to Miklos' sensibilities as I know he has more in mind
> with the ipdf (pdfium based filter) and that enhancement may provide better
> preview/selection of page(s) for insertion.

I don't have a strong opinion on this. The long-term plan would be that LO
provides a skia(-compatible) drawing surface and pdfium can draw on that, so
pdfium would give vector output, and at that stage we can probably drop the
poppler-based pdf import. But neither pdfium nor LO is ready for that today.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
There are plenty of PDF tools to merge or split files [1]. LibreOffice is not a
PDF editor and this request is out of scope to me. 

[1] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=split+pdf

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #6 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)

> But it would _not_ be helpful to drag a full PDF through pdfio filter just
> to render a preview for use in page selection. That makes no sense and is
> clearly a WONTFIX when there are any number of external programs to do that
> with now.

Indeed, for the moment I would start using those, officeuser.

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--- Comment #5 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to OfficeUser from comment #3)
> @Yousuf: My suggestion has nothing to do "Insert > File dialog".
> 
> It is intended to be displayed after opening a PDF with file/open.

I understand your suggestion, but having a dialog interrupt the opening of a
file isnt something we do other formats, so doing it with opening a pdf isnt
something i would be for and have suggested another means to achieve what you
are hoping for.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #2)
> Seems reasonable to me, but doubt we'd do it in the file open dialog, but
> more likely in the Insert > File dialog, which already has the facility to
> select which pages that you'd want to import, but doesnt have the ability
> yet to import from pdfs.
> 
> @Heiko, @Cor, @Stuart: what's your take?

Sure it would be useful, but where it gets added to the UI is less of an issue
than how the "preview" gets generated for use in a LO document.  

As LibreOffice is _not_ a PDF editor--this filtered opening can continue to be
seen as now with import to Draw as Draw objects, except enhancing to select
either the entire document or adding an ability to select pages or even
elements from a source PDF. That would extend the pdfio filter. 

Or alternatively, as done for bug 89727, we insert a PDF as image to a document
of any LibreOffice component--currently just the first page of a PDF document.
Enhancement would add ability to select from any page of a source PDF. That
would extend the ipdf filter.

For either usage now, selection(s) from the source PDF must be external to LO. 

But it would _not_ be helpful to drag a full PDF through pdfio filter just to
render a preview for use in page selection. That makes no sense and is clearly
a WONTFIX when there are any number of external programs to do that with now.

But I would defer to Miklos' sensibilities as I know he has more in mind with
the ipdf (pdfium based filter) and that enhancement may provide better
preview/selection of page(s) for insertion.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #3 from OfficeUser  ---
@Yousuf: My suggestion has nothing to do "Insert > File dialog".

It is intended to be displayed after opening a PDF with file/open.

At the moment always the complete document is imported into Draw.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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--- Comment #2 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Seems reasonable to me, but doubt we'd do it in the file open dialog, but more
likely in the Insert > File dialog, which already has the facility to select
which pages that you'd want to import, but doesnt have the ability yet to
import from pdfs.

@Heiko, @Cor, @Stuart: what's your take?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112426] Proposal for a PDF import settings dialogue

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 Blocks||99746, 102019


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99746
[Bug 99746] [META] Improve PDF filter handling
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102019
[Bug 102019] [META] Dialog bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #1 from OfficeUser  ---
Created attachment 136282
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PDF_import_settings_proposal_v1.0.odg

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