[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114501

Buovjaga  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|UNCONFIRMED
 Ever confirmed|1   |0

--- Comment #9 from Buovjaga  ---
Apologies, the  elements inside the empty paragraphs are inserted by
LibreOffice. Confirmed by running this command in Linux after copying the text
from LibreOffice:
xclip -selection clipboard -o -t text/html

(In reply to tbreportbug from comment #8)
> To reiterate, the problem with the current system seems to be:
> 
> 1) Paragraphs have default margin-top value. The margin-top value should be
> 0cm!

>From what I am seeing, if the paragraphs have a default margin-top value, it is
not assigned in LibreOffice, but Thunderbird.

Indeed, Richard Marti in the Thunderbird report says: "From toolkit html.css a
margin-block-start: 1em; is applied as default for . You'd need also a
margin-top: 0 to remove all space above the ."

If I look at the styles in Firefox dev tools, I can see the 16px margin-top for
the paragraphs in *browser styles*, so this is something the browser (or
Thunderbird) is applying.

It's late and I have to think about this more tomorrow. I don't really have a
clear picture of what should be done or what would be the perfect result.

For reference, I will include below the clipboard text/html contents from
LibreOffice.








@page { size: 21.59cm 27.94cm; margin: 2cm }
p { margin-bottom: 0.25cm; line-height: 120%; background:
transparent }



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text
Text
Text
Text
End.


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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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--- Comment #8 from tbreport...@protonmail.com ---
Currently this is what is EXPORTED from LibreOffice:

Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text
Text
Text
Text
End.



One solution would be to make LibreOffice export (and I presume then normal
CTRL+C and CTRL+V will work as desired) the above mentioned HTML like this:

Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text
Text
Text
Text
End.


To reiterate, the problem with the current system seems to be:

1) Paragraphs have default margin-top value. The margin-top value should be
0cm!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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--- Comment #7 from tbreport...@protonmail.com ---
(In reply to tbreportbug from comment #6)
> And using find & replace does not work in LibreOffice. I tried to replaces
> all $ (new paragraph) with \n (new line break) but this does NOT replace
> those $ symbols, even though the tool CLAIMS that it changed many entries.

And even if I use this "trick"
(https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20=67679#p301299):

START_QUOTE
Enter a line break normally and copy it to the clipboard

Edit > Find & Replace
Search for: $
Options/Regular expressions: ON
Click "Find All"

Edit > Paste
/END_QUOTE

to replace all $ signs, then all of my indentations and unordered list
formattings will be ruined in the process.

So using find & replace will not solve this issue.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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--- Comment #6 from tbreport...@protonmail.com ---
And using find & replace does not work in LibreOffice. I tried to replaces all
$ (new paragraph) with \n (new line break) but this does NOT replace those $
symbols, even though the tool CLAIMS that it changed many entries.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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 Resolution|NOTABUG |---
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED

--- Comment #5 from tbreport...@protonmail.com ---
(In reply to Buovjaga from comment #4)
> (In reply to tbreportbug from comment #2)
> > When you paste this text from LibreOffice into Thunderbird (or that
> > "midasdemo" website linked up there), you see that the formatting gets
> > ruined. In this case meaning that there is a lot more paragraph spacing
> > above and below each paragraph.
> 
> That's not the fault of LibreOffice, now is it?
> 
> If you look at the source of the Midas demo after pasting the stuff in, you
> see that inside every empty paragraph they have added a break element.
> Deleting these elements make for a sane line spacing.

The Midas demo does not add additional break elements. It is the LibreOffice
that is adding additional paragraph elements!

You can test this by going into LibreOffice, and then export (using Save As...)
the document as HTML. So exporting out you get this:

Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text here



Text
Text
Text
Text
End.


But exporting SHOULD give something like this, to make it render properly in
Firefox and Thunderbird:

Text here

Text
here

Text here

Text here

Text
here

Text here

Text
Text
Text
Text
End.

The problem seems to be obviously with LibreOffice!

Can we now please get this fixed? This problem is completely ruining the usage
of Thunderbird!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/ LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #4 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to tbreportbug from comment #2)
> When you paste this text from LibreOffice into Thunderbird (or that
> "midasdemo" website linked up there), you see that the formatting gets
> ruined. In this case meaning that there is a lot more paragraph spacing
> above and below each paragraph.

That's not the fault of LibreOffice, now is it?

If you look at the source of the Midas demo after pasting the stuff in, you see
that inside every empty paragraph they have added a break element. Deleting
these elements make for a sane line spacing.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/ LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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--- Comment #3 from Buovjaga  ---
Created attachment 138659
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=138659=edit
Example file

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/ LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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 Status|NEEDINFO|UNCONFIRMED
 Ever confirmed|1   |0

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--- Comment #2 from tbreport...@protonmail.com ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #1)
> I do not understand your bug description:
> 1/ what do you mean by "the formating is ruined", please give an exhaustive
> example: an odt test file, instruction for what part of text must be copied
> and pasted, what you see in the compose window of Thunderbird and what you
> should see in the same window.
> 
> 2/ why do you think that the problem (if there is a problem) is on
> LibreOffice side and not on Thunderbird side?
> 
> Set status to NEEDINFO, please set it back to UNCONFIRMED once requested
> informations are provided.
> 
> Best regards. JBF

You can use this service to try out what happens in Thunderbird, because the
exact same thing happens in Thunderbird:
https://www-archive.mozilla.org/editor/midasdemo/

Here is a text file you can try called "paste_this_into_thunderbird.odt":
https://ufile.io/u0dpy

That file has been uploaded into the service https://uploadfiles.io/ and it
only contains this (not including /START and /END):

/START
Text here

Text here

Text here

Text here

Text here

Text here

Text
Text
Text
Text
End.
/END

When you paste this text from LibreOffice into Thunderbird (or that "midasdemo"
website linked up there), you see that the formatting gets ruined. In this case
meaning that there is a lot more paragraph spacing above and below each
paragraph.

So if I type these "keystrokes" on my keyboard in Thunderbird:

*press A-key*
*press J-key*
*press ENTER-key*
*press ENTER-key*
*press A-key*

And then I type in LibreOffice these exact same "keystrokes":

*press A-key*
*press J-key*
*press ENTER-key*
*press ENTER-key*
*press A-key*

Then these both messages look visually exactly the same. But now, if I paste
that particular text from LibreOffice to Thunderbird, then that message looks
different from the one I typed in Thunderbird itself. So the text got ruined
during this pasting process.

When a user writes text inside either of these programs (Thunderbird and
LibreOffice), then the ENTER-key behaves in the exact same way in both of the
programs, producing the exact same result. But if the user then pastes from
LibreOffice to Thunderbird, then that formatting of the pasted text gets
ruined. This is not logical at all. The ENTER-key has the work the same way in
all of these very common and useful programs, and copy-pasting just cannot ruin
that logic.

Well then you suggest: Paste Without Formatting? No, this is not a proper
solution at all. Let's say I have a text (written in OpenOffice/LibreOffice)
that is 3000 words long and includes: 30 links, texts that are bolded,
unordered lists etc. And I wish to send this text to 20 different people. And I
want to change the introduction of the text slightly for all these different
people. I just cannot "Paste Without Formatting", because it requires
tremendous work to get that formatting then correct.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114501] Copy pasting from OpenOffice/ LibreOffice to Thunderbird ruins formatting

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Jean-Baptiste Faure  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
I do not understand your bug description:
1/ what do you mean by "the formating is ruined", please give an exhaustive
example: an odt test file, instruction for what part of text must be copied and
pasted, what you see in the compose window of Thunderbird and what you should
see in the same window.

2/ why do you think that the problem (if there is a problem) is on LibreOffice
side and not on Thunderbird side?

Set status to NEEDINFO, please set it back to UNCONFIRMED once requested
informations are provided.

Best regards. JBF

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