[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #28 from Mike Kaganski --- Also: please let's close this bug, and file new bugs. Although this one started as "please add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)", the stated scope is too broad for a single issue. It would be reasonable to only track manageable scope here (which is "add support for reading" - and which is RESOLVED FIXED by now); and track other multiple aspects (transition period behavior; related options; point in time to end the transition) separately, maybe blocking this one, or having a separate meta. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #27 from Mike Kaganski --- (In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #26) TL;DR summary of the following: that is a very dangerous and serves only a couple of users. The idea to save both formats (one as fallback) would only serve people who have the ultimate goal to get to the original bytes at some unspecified future time. What is the real use case, that would require someone to desperately need the original embedded image bytes, as opposed to a converted copy? OTOH, there are *real* use cases, that would be served poorly by that decision. 1. People who chose WebP to save space. Well, PNG is not ideal for those; but speculating that 110% is better for those who are unhappy with 100% is not reasonable, right? And we possibly need to have a "convert lossy WebP to" option with JPEG and PNG, like we have in Compress dialog - as you suggest. 2. People who didn't even realize they used a WebP (IMO, the vast majority, who e.g. dragged the images from a web page). They don't care about the image original format at all. They would have to pay their disk space (that +10%) for a couple of those who needed it. And the last category of users would be in real danger then. You argue that the idea behind saving both formats is being able to return to WebP at some later stage - meaning that the fallback PNG would be dropped, right? But that means that at some update, unprepared users would suddenly have their existing documents dropping embedded PNGs, which they would not notice, because they use a version that supports the format; but you have no control who is their recipients are, and what they use. Of course, the decision to drop PNG would happen when WebP support in ODF readers is reasonable, but you can't guarantee 100% - and that means that *existing* edited documents with pre-existing images can suddenly become unreadable on colleagues' systems where they used to be working. It would be OK to argue "you use a modern program that supports WebP; you have just inserted a WebP into a new document; it's OK that this image is not shown on your colleague who uses AOO 4.1" - but it is *not* OK to tell that about document that they had happily edited for long time, and that broke after editing with updated LO, without any image insertion. So IMO: 1. If people want to be notified about conversion, do that using an infobar (just inform, do not ask and do not provide options there, except maybe a button to go to relevant configuration, or to help). 2. Provide a (preferably expert) option to *not* convert at all - i.e., for those who really want to use WebP, let them have the WebP - with no fallback. 3. Provide an option to convert lossy WebP to JPEG instead of PNG. 4. Do not complicate things with a fallback. That will inevitably hit much more users in long term, than those who benefit from that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #26 from Tomaz Vajngerl --- So IMHO we should store both WebP and PNG in the document. The reason is that after we decide that WebP has been supported in enough LO versions, we can just turn off saving the additional PNG fallback. Any documents that were created in the mean time with the WebP images will be able to remove the fallback PNG after this with just re-saving the file. One thing we need to remember is that WebP on the web is mostly used to super-compress the images to save bandwidth, so the images will mostly be using the lossy part of WebP. So if we convert such an image to PNG the size will increase significantly, so storing the original WebP in addition is insignificant compared to the overall size of PNG. I did a test - a 24MP photo compressed to 80% WebP was giving me 2.6MB. Convert that to PNG at compression level 9 resulted in 33.7MB and it took a looong time to compress. Reducing the compression level to a more typical 5 gave me 35.8MB. So the PNG vs. PNG + WebP is not even 10% increase in size and the size of WebP is similar to the difference between the PNG compression levels. There is another thing we can do and instead PNG use JPEG in such cases (Lossy WebP), so we would keep WebP and use JPEG for the fallback when opening in the older versions of LibreOffice. JPEG at 80,85,90 is giving me 4MB/5MB/6.6MB, which combined with the original WebP is still less than 1/3 of the PNG. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #25 from Timur --- I'm more for Yet Another Option (YAO) for conversion, with default checked. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #24 from Mike Kaganski --- Please just add a note about automatic conversion into PNG (maybe for some transition period, after which embedding of WebP itself would be expected without any conversion and fallback?) to the release notes. Having something like an infobar with a conversion note is subject for a completely separate issue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #23 from phv --- I'm one of those who complain when LibreOffice converts data without warning; whether it's vector images transformed into raster or formula formatting lost with fodt file. Let's take the case of a user who, reading that LibreOffice now supports the new image file format, converts all JPEG images to WebP, but it results in a much heavier file because the software does convert WebP to PNG: he will either report the bug or regret that the software didn't say anything. I cannot stress enough the importance of communicating with the user, to let him choose what to do; but don't do it without him knowing at the risk of losing trust. Why not add a popup that appears when saving to inform about the image file format incompatibility with older LibreOffice versions? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #22 from Heiko Tietze --- Would it be possible to automatically convert WebP on paste into something well supported like PNG? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||5875 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #21 from Aron Budea --- (In reply to Timur from comment #20) > If someone uses a new LO 7.4 when it's out and embeds WebP .ods/.odt and > sends that file to someone else or opens it on other computer, I guess it > would be logical and intuitive that there must also be LO 7.4. It's not that simple, you might not even know you're adding a WebP to the document, eg. when copying a thumbnail from Wikipedia and pasting it into LO, a WebP format image is on the clipboard. Or even if you know when you add a WebP image to your document yourself, it'd be hard to keep track of which of your documents contained WebP images and which ones didn't when sending it around. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #20 from Timur --- If someone uses a new LO 7.4 when it's out and embeds WebP .ods/.odt and sends that file to someone else or opens it on other computer, I guess it would be logical and intuitive that there must also be LO 7.4. So I don't see a need for a delay from comment 18. It's a new feature, not modifying existing behavior. I'd prefer to see all completed and bug closed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #19 from phv --- First of all, thank you for this work. What I'm experiencing is that the WebP image is converted to PNG, so with a weight up to 50% higher, when saved inside a .odt document Could we consider that the expert configuration option "AddReplacementImage" disable this conversion, as it does currently with SVG images? I regret not being able to take full advantage of this new feature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Luboš Luňák changed: What|Removed |Added CC||l.lu...@collabora.com Status|ASSIGNED|NEW Assignee|l.lu...@collabora.com |libreoffice-b...@lists.free ||desktop.org --- Comment #18 from Luboš Luňák --- As the commit message says, my commit adds full WebP support except for embedding in .ods/.odt documents, as that would make them unreadable by versions not having WebP support. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Miklos Vajna changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |l.lu...@collabora.com |desktop.org | Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #16 from Miklos Vajna --- Lubos is looking at this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|medium |high CC||gti...@gmail.com --- Comment #15 from Timur --- I will mark this as High. No really need to wait for 3 more duplicates and 3 more years... But it still requires a volunteer dev, unless someone pays. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #14 from Thierry --- Any chance to get this format supported in a future release ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Roland Kurmann changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||8668 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #13 from David D Lowe --- I downloaded an image from a web page using my web browser. I then tried to add it to a presentation using Impress. I was confused when the file browser in Impress did not display the image I had downloaded. I only realised later that the image was a WebP image, and that LibreOffice presumably did not support it. It would be good to support WebP now that all major browsers support it and more images on the web are going to be using this format. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||143154 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143154 [Bug 143154] Pictures outside slide borders are not displayed / pptx -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||108254 Alias||WebP Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108254 [Bug 108254] [META] File format filters (import/export) bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #12 from BogdanB --- Inserting a "webp" file is getting a "unknown image format" info in LibreOffice. Tested in Version: 7.3.0.0.alpha0+ / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 51754ca5349d7bf655d57ded37381188d0bc4bcf CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 5.8; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3 Locale: ro-RO (ro_RO.UTF-8); UI: en-US Calc: threaded "Support for the format has increased over the years, and as of May 2021 WebP was supported by 94% of the web browsers in use worldwide".[7] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #11 from launch...@startport.com --- WEBP Support in Web Browsers: https://caniuse.com/webp AVIF Support in Web Browsers: https://caniuse.com/avif -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #10 from Philippe Morin --- (In reply to launchpad from comment #9) > In addition to webp, which has been supported by major web browsers for a > long time now, we need support for avif +1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #9 from launch...@startport.com --- In addition to webp, which has been supported by major web browsers for a long time now, we need support for avif, which is supported by Chrome now and will also be supported in Firefox 87 (at the end of this month). AVIF has Landed! : https://jakearchibald.com/2020/avif-has-landed/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Philippe Morin from comment #7) > I tried dragging and dropping a WEBP picture from ... > Adding WEBP would prevent poor UX. Good point -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #7 from Philippe Morin --- I want to report a new experience I just had... I tried dragging and dropping a WEBP picture from this page(https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Fabricator#Basic_Materials) directly into my Draw Gallery (which I started using today). While the WEBP picture does appear as a working thumbnail, it doesn't behave like the PNG files I converted. Expected behaviour: Previously drag-dropped (from a webpage) WEBP picture in the Draw Gallery will be added to a page when dragged-dropped into it, or when using the "Insert" option from the contextual menu. Observed behaviour: Previously drag-dropped (from a webpage) WEBP picture in the Draw Gallery WON'T BE added to a page when dragged-dropped into it, or when using the "Insert" option from the contextual menu. Instead, a "Object image vide" (sorry, French UI) will be inserted (at least that's what the "Undo" option displays. Let me conclude: I often saw end-users adding files from a web page by dragging-dropping them into their document. Someone like me could even decide to start a gallery with pictures in mixed formats. Adding WEBP would prevent poor UX. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Philippe Morin changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 --- Comment #6 from Philippe Morin --- I am French-speaking end-user who want to confirm this is a good feature request. I'm using LibreOffice Draw right now and I had to convert files from webp to png because WEBP wouldn't work. The file I'm working on is some kind of tech tree (personal project) for a video game and I took the files on a MediaWiki-based wiki. I think such feature would empowering for end-users. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Keywords|needsUXEval | Ever confirmed|0 |1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Version|6.0.0.0.beta2 |unspecified -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|WONTFIX |--- Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED Keywords||needsUXEval CC||qui...@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Telesto --- Tendency to ask for re-evaluation.. Based on partial reading of bug 114533 comment 6. Bug reports coming in.. And this format really becoming more common.. I'm seeing ostrich with head the sand in front of me already :P. Mentally of course, because the image being saved in WEBP and Writer/Draw/Impress/Calc won't render :-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Buovjaga changed: What|Removed |Added CC||yves.bai...@hexagon.com --- Comment #4 from Buovjaga --- *** Bug 140440 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Ming Hua changed: What|Removed |Added CC||shanshandehongxing@outlook. ||com --- Comment #3 from Ming Hua --- *** Bug 108147 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format (image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Buovjaga changed: What|Removed |Added CC||launch...@startport.com --- Comment #2 from Buovjaga --- *** Bug 130759 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format ( image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED CC||tietze.he...@gmail.com Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze --- Discussion has been done in bug 114533 with the recommendation to not implement this filter. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114532] add support for WEBP image format ( image import and inside .ods/.odt)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114532 Jean-Baptiste Faure changed: What|Removed |Added Hardware|x86-64 (AMD64) |All OS|Windows (All) |All Severity|normal |enhancement -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs