[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115449] Add Tooltips to the Horizontal Ruler in Writer

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Stephen Leibowitz from comment #10)
> I think that the specific color is not very important...

Au contraire. Think of Ubuntu where the highlight color is orange and mixing it
with some blue alienates the application. Or the latest effort in Calc to use
system colors for highlighting failing on macOS as the blue is wrongly adopted.

Looking through the tools > options > application colors the "Header and Footer
delimiter" could be used (this option is questionable anyway).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 115449] Add Tooltips to the Horizontal Ruler in Writer

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--- Comment #10 from Stephen Leibowitz  ---
Collabora has partially departed from the LO monochrome ruler by coloring the
indents blue. Adopting this for LO would not require changing the location,
size, or shape of ruler elements. This limited use of color on the LO ruler
need not delay an implementation of ruler tooltips. And it would not close the
door to a more extensive use of color on the ruler in the future.

I think that the specific color is not very important if coloring is limited to
the indents. But giving users a choice of color would be desirable if coloring
is extended to other ruler elements. In the latter case, an option might be
added for the ruler here: 
Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Application Colors

It has been 4½ years since I reported this issue, which initially was limited
to ruler tooltips. Is there anything that can be done to advance it?

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Stephen Leibowitz from comment #8)
> Apple and Google (Docs) color the tabs (and other items) on the ruler.

But they do not provide an application for all platforms with full
customizability. If we color the tab indicators we have to introduce another
option, which is odd, or find some that can be used. Do you have an idea what
tools > options > app color we could use?

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--- Comment #8 from Stephen Leibowitz  ---
The tabs are small and at the bottom of the ruler. Even on a laptop or desktop
monitor, the small size is a visual problem. Using color for the manually set
tabs would make it practical to increase their size and locate them at the same
height as the length markings, without increasing the width of the ruler.

Apple and Google (Docs) color the tabs (and other items) on the ruler. It may
not be a coincidence that these two companies are major players in the small
device market, where screen real estate is at a premium. Also, Collabra colors
the indents on the ruler for tablets. It does not have a ruler on phones.

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The need for a tooltip is clear, no further input from UX needed. Don't get why
colors are helping to identify the tab stop type.

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--- Comment #6 from Stephen Leibowitz  ---
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Color on Apple Ruler

We can borrow a technique from Apple: use color for the tab icons. This
improves their legibility on the monochrome ruler.

According to Steve Jobs, “Picasso had a saying. He said, ‘Good artists copy,
great artists steal.’ And we have always been shameless about stealing great
ideas.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6jeZ7m0ycw

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--- Comment #5 from Stephen Leibowitz  ---
Created attachment 182288
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Color on Apple Ruler

We can borrow a technique from Apple: use color for the tab icons. This
improves their legibility on the monochrome ruler.

According to Steve Jobs, “Picasso had a saying. He said, ‘Good artists copy,
great artists steal.’ And we have always been shameless about stealing great
ideas.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6jeZ7m0ycw

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Tried sw/source/uibase/misc/swruler.cxx first, which has a comment part with
tooltip. This one could be improved a bit to not show everywhere but isn't a
solution for this issue.

void SwCommentRuler::MouseMove(const MouseEvent& rMEvt)

const char* pTooltipResId="";
if (mbIsHighlighted)
{
if (mpViewShell->GetPostItMgr()->ShowNotes())
pTooltipResId = STR_HIDE_COMMENTS;
else
pTooltipResId = STR_SHOW_COMMENTS;
}
SetQuickHelpText(SwResId(pTooltipResId));

Second try was svx/source/dialog/svxruler.cxx

void SvxRuler::MouseMove( const MouseEvent& rMEvt )
...
switch (aSelection.eType)
{
case RulerType::Indent:
...
case RulerType::Tab:
{
SetQuickHelpText("Tab");
}
case RulerType::Outside:
{
SetQuickHelpText("Outside");
}

Doesn't work either.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108629
[Bug 108629] [META] Ruler bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Good idea.

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--- Comment #2 from Dieter Praas  ---
Hi Stephen,

if you add the keyword needUXEval, you also have to add
libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org to the cc-list

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--- Comment #1 from Stephen Leibowitz  ---
The next paragraph is a revision of the second paragraph in my 2018-02-04
comment.

Implementing the suggestion in the first paragraph of my original comment would
not really explain the purpose of the icon to the left of the ruler. Of course,
a user could read the documentation. But we should consider a bigger change.
The tooltip for the icon might initially say, “Left tab. Click to change the
tab type. Click on ruler to set the tab.” Instead of cycling through the tab
types, a left-click would open a context menu to select a tab type. The
right-click function is already used and I am not suggesting that it be
changed. It opens a context menu to set the measurement unit for the ruler.

In my original comment, I suggested that tab stops on the ruler should have a
tooltip that shows the position, such as 0.50 ". This idea could be extended,
in the same way I suggested that the indents on the ruler be extended. As a tab
stop icon is being dragged, the tooltip would be displayed, with the tab’s
numerical position continuously updated in the tooltip. This would facilitate
fine adjustments.

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