[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #34 from Eyal Rozenberg --- Let me relate more specifically to some of the commands in the discussion so far: Different UI modes: This bug needs a resolution valid for each of the global UI modes. One should not think of advising users to switch UI modes to avoid "jumpy" UI (nor jump content). Some people want their ribbons (= NB, Tabbed UI); some people hate ribbons and want their multiple menus; etc. They should not need to switch. The sidebar: (In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #19) > I don't see any benefit in moving contextual toolbars into sidebar tabs for > users who don't use the sidebar during normal use. Popping sidebar vs. > popping toolbar -- what's better? There is at least one possible answer: Toolbars would pop in and out, as you go in and out of various contexts - but the sidebar will just pop out once, and will stay visible unless the user manually push it out. Thus LO would be pressuring you to accept the sidebar being open while you're doing a certain kind of work. MSO does this (especially noticeable to me in Excel with PivotTables and with chart element properties.) Duplicates: I believe we should undup the bugs about the canvas / document content moving or being scaled with automatic UI changes like toolbar popup - and re-dup them to each other, marking them only related to this one. What say you? * Miscellany > Personal note 2: I'm one of the 'old users' who like toolbars and I would argue most users prefer the toolbar interface; and that almost all users would prefer if the choice followed a fair try-out of each UI mode for a few months. But see prolonged discussion in bug 135501. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||7866 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #33 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (author of bug 157866) The way this bug seems to stand right now, the title seems to be more general. I'm reading about all sorts of suggestions that involve: * using another UI mode * placing contextual controls in the sidebar * new/weird docking for contextual controls etc. Personally, I don't (think I) like any of these options; although maybe I'm not fully following all suggestions. Mock-ups or other illustrations of what's currently on the agenda would be appreciated. Anyway, I filed bug 157866 so that the content doesn't jump around when the contextual UI appears; followers of this bug are kindly requested to also give some thought to that issue, independently of this one. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||eyalr...@gmx.com --- Comment #32 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 157866 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #31 from Maxim Monastirsky --- Speaking of the UI jumping problem in general, the solution is likely always to have all context depending controls appear in the same place, and not in 10 different toolbars. It can be a tabbed UI, or a single toolbar with the context controls appended to its end (i.e. Contextual Single), or a regular two toolbars layout, with the second toolbar being a "context toolbar", that changes its controls based on the context (like in e.g. Inkscape), or a sidebar mode where context controls are in the sidebar. It doesn't matter. The key is to have only one context-aware area. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #30 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #29) > (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #28) > > Have I DUP'ed bug 149282 to the right place? > This ticket focuses on the "Sidebar" mode but I don't see what the proposed > solution of a Standard TB as a placeholder for contextual content means. The > sidebar mode has a Standard TB - maybe it means some space that is empty > without context. Then maybe I should unDUP my ticket? As noted in comment 28, the problem arises only when toolbars are undocked. A placeholder maybe "solve" the problem, but loses the "undocked" toolbar, no? Meanwhile, the canvas remains stable when a popup dialog box appears. Is it because it takes the "focus"? (in effect locking the canvas?), while an undocked toolbar must not lock the canvas, hence the jump? But -- as a genuine naive question -- it is hard to understand why such a behavior (an undocked toolbar popping up) cannot be fixed in relation to the Standard TB inferface. If that is a legitimate request (and distinct from this ticket), then maybe I should unDUP, because my ticket was meant only to be aimed at the expected behavior of the Standard interface, not to make new or alternative designs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #29 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #28) > Have I DUP'ed bug 149282 to the right place? Jumping UIs is a PITA since the first time. Some alternatives were discussed (eg. moving the TB content into the sidebar, or the HUD solution), and the NB (and probably the Ribbon) was introduced to deal with the problem. This ticket focuses on the "Sidebar" mode but I don't see what the proposed solution of a Standard TB as a placeholder for contextual content means. The sidebar mode has a Standard TB - maybe it means some space that is empty without context. We have bug 135501 (and other) challenging the large number of UI variants and bug 149230 that contradicts the DF focused standard toolbar / sidebar UI concept. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #28 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #27) > *** Bug 149282 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** Have I DUP'ed bug 149282 to the right place? I focused on the summary (which does not mention Sidebar), while the discussion here seems directed to that focus. With "standard" layout contextual toolbar DOCKED:no jump in document canvas contextual toolbar UNDOCKED: (significant) jump (especially irritating when selecting images, frames, drawing objects, OLE objects prior to right-click, or leaving these objects to enter text.) Version: 7.4.0.0.alpha1+ (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 09822cf77cdbe32b03553cd05154100b5f2591d0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed: What|Removed |Added CC||sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- Comment #27 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- *** Bug 149282 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||7495 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tele...@surfxs.nl --- Comment #26 from Telesto --- *** Bug 138188 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68 ||801 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||7760 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||6846 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #25 from andreas_k --- Is there some progress maxim? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||octa...@alvarezp.org --- Comment #24 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 125816 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #23 from andreas_k --- Yes please work on it maxim. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 124835] Contextual toolbars make UI jumping
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com |.freedesktop.org| --- Comment #22 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the topic in the design meeting. The majority welcomes Maxim's solution that brings more flexibility to the classic toolbar. Users likely don't care about the underlying technology and developers did not complain. So please go ahead. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
