[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947
--- Comment #49 from bentus...@yahoo.fr ---
HI there. Thanks for your work so far. i'm just a random user who has been
bored with this limitation, and opened a similar bug report, that lead to this
one as a duplicate...
I explain my point of to complete some of the previous users' request (such
debate as programmer vs. "real" user) : i was used to almost collapsed side bar
before V7 (as ("shrink with hidden icons", that i knew they were hidden but no
need to use them) so i could navigate through text titles hierarchy (in
navigator) and click on styles (on the other side's panel) while displaying a
large readable document's text on small screen, or even working on two parallel
documents windows tiled alongside in the same screen after buying new laptop.
This was very practical, functional at least, and allowed to work quickly and
efficiently in complex long hierarchised documents.
Yes it is possible to display as a separated floating element, but ergonomy is
really different. Thus, pressing F5/F11 each time is another boring routine.
i have lots of other "comfort of use in routine" comments, but they should take
part in some other bugs. Mainly, this side panels are real great useful
principles, just need some tweaking possibilities.
new UI design is great when thinking about 99% most common users perception,
and "state of the art", but most of comments shows that previous "bad
behaviour" hacks in the UI were very useful.
i suggest that user could display or not the panels icons ribbon as a separate
collapsing sub-element (make me think about photoshop small windows
management). vertical. Icon ribbon and main panel display (mainly navigator and
styles list) are not always to be uses in the same routine. For instance i use
a lot the main display, but never use the icons in panels.
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #48 from Dieter --- (In reply to andis.lazdins from comment #47) > I don't understand the comment No 43. There are no such preferences in > Expert configuration - slide to collapse. That's right. And therefore we have enhancement request in bug 140360. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #47 from andis.lazd...@gmail.com --- I don't understand the comment No 43. There are no such preferences in Expert configuration - slide to collapse. I would be thankful for more detailed instructions. I'm tired from this ugly sidebar. Can't imagine who could consider this as an improvement. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12 | |4991, | |https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 | |6428, | |https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 | |6793, | |https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 | |0214| -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tele...@surfxs.nl --- Comment #46 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 140214 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #45 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 141952 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||bentus...@yahoo.fr --- Comment #44 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 141961 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WONTFIX Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED --- Comment #43 from V Stuart Foote --- setting back to the agreed resolved wontfix. See also bug 140360 in place for an expert configuration toggle to enable a "slide to collapse" for all Sidebar Decks to supplement the fixed "minimum" width assignments they now have (corresponding to fully displaying their controls). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22 comment 40)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists | |.freedesktop.org| Keywords|needsUXEval | Summary|Writer sidebar minimum |Writer sidebar minimum |width is too wide when |width is too wide when |docked (see comment 16 |docked (see comment 16 |comment 22) |comment 22 comment 40) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||0360 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #42 from Apt --- Thanks for the reply, Heiko. Here is the new ticket I submitted: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140360 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 Christian Lehmann changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX |--- --- Comment #41 from Christian Lehmann --- I was also thinking of a way out of the dilemma. Appreciating the argument of leaving symbols together which belong together, one might consider the alternative of a vertical instead of horizontal arrangement. The user has this option for most of the symbol bars. The present one would neatly fit below the vertical bar which comes along with the styles (five symbols: settings, properties, page, templates, gallery). The bar at issue might be separated from this one by a separator. As a result, the user would see together what belongs together, would see separated what must be separated, and could adjust the templates panel to the width desired. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WONTFIX Severity|minor |enhancement Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #40 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Apt from comment #39) > Stuart, thank you for the work you've done so far on the underlying issue, > which as I understand it is the incorrect width calculation for the sidebar > with UI scaling applied. If the fix for this is a ways off, would it be > feasible to temporarily add an option (off by default and perhaps featuring > a warning) to turn off the minimum width restriction for the sidebar so that > users like me can rely on it as a mitigation for the issue of excessive > minimum width? I like the idea of an expert option. Would you mind to file a new ticket, ideally with reference to this one? c16 and c22 make it clear why we have a minimum width, thus resolution here is WF. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||0214 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #39 from Apt --- Stuart, thank you for the work you've done so far on the underlying issue, which as I understand it is the incorrect width calculation for the sidebar with UI scaling applied. If the fix for this is a ways off, would it be feasible to temporarily add an option (off by default and perhaps featuring a warning) to turn off the minimum width restriction for the sidebar so that users like me can rely on it as a mitigation for the issue of excessive minimum width? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #38 from andis.lazd...@gmail.com --- Sad to hear such absolutely non-substantiated decision. Thanks' to such decisions it becomes very hard to tempt somebody to stay with Libreoffice. In our company will find better use for money booked for donation to Libreoffice this year. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Keywords||needsUXEval --- Comment #37 from V Stuart Foote --- OK, with nothing substantive being proposed, guess this can be closed => NAB Likewise as enhancement request to modify Sidebar GUI layout, seems non-actionable and a clear => WF -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #36 from andis.lazd...@gmail.com --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #33) > > > The Sidebar assemblage was always intended to optimize visibility of > controls by making use of the extra horizontal space on a display. As > opposed to the menu/toolbar paradigm alone which consumes vertical space on > the display to expose more controls. So, the conclusion is reduce working space to get visible all the nice stuff in sidebar. Sounds like programming for programmers, like somebody using alternative office is doing programming for libreoffice, which he/she is not using and do not considers that somebody else is really using it. Besides, about half of vertical area in sidebar is not used in Properties and some other views and horizontal space is used very inefficiently, e.g. in Page view. To my understanding more work space should be prioritized instead of continuous visibility of all the stuff in the sidebar. I don't understand this discussion, somebody made mistake and it should be corrected. Of course, I can survive without sidebar, I'm already closing it, because it is not possible to work in Writer with sidebar on, but it was really nice addition in Libreoffice and it is still nice in alternative products. I'm using star/open/libreoffice since 199x and I will continue to use it and pay annual donations, but it would be nice not to propose mistakes as innovations. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #35 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Christian Lehmann from comment #34) > Okay, this is evidently a different weighing of priorities. Users like the > ones on this bug discussion list, who have less than 30" monitor size and > need to work with more than one Writer window open will have to revert to > version 6.4. Wow that is kind of a misstatement of fact. There is almost no difference in control width layout between the 6.4 and 7.0 releases. Otherwise users on Linux are pretty much unaffected by UI scaling, and those on Windows are only affected when they have scaled their UI above about 150%. If you do not like the Sidebar deck showing, collapse it to the Tab bar or use the 'Hide'/'Show' thumbs to fully collapse--or close the Sidebar completely. Perhaps use one of the MUFFIN layouts--the 'Single Contextual' with the Sidbar collapsed is rather functions. What os/DE and scaling are you working with? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #34 from Christian Lehmann --- Okay, this is evidently a different weighing of priorities. Users like the ones on this bug discussion list, who have less than 30" monitor size and need to work with more than one Writer window open will have to revert to version 6.4. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #33 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Christian Lehmann from comment #32) > ... > However, I still miss an argument why the controls cannot be arranged in two > rows from start, esp. if the same is acceptable on the navigation bar (and > in several other menu windows, for that matter). You of course mean the Navigator deck, the 'Navigation Bar' is a standard two button toolbar. The Navigator deck (floating , or Sidebar resident) is constrained as all other decks. The Content panel controls are in two rows because that is what functionally makes sense--while the deck width is controlled by the Navigate by listbox, its Previous/Next buttons, and the Goto Page spin box. Or rather by the calculated width of those controls. The layout of the Sidebar is deliberate and suited to task. There is nothing to be gained by reworking the content panels of the decks into layouts that consume vertical space to reduce width of the deck, and a lot to be lost by losing the contextual relationship between blocks of controls. The Sidebar assemblage was always intended to optimize visibility of controls by making use of the extra horizontal space on a display. As opposed to the menu/toolbar paradigm alone which consumes vertical space on the display to expose more controls. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #32 from Christian Lehmann --- Thanks for the clarification. However, why don't you take up the argument (by myself and quite a few users by now) that the deck has double the width that it would need? It occupies space on the screen whether you float it or dock it. And believe me it is just the same on Linux, as has been demonstrated by screen shots and even videos. I would not argue against the design decision of not hiding any of the controls, as I have to admit to having been a victim to missing controls that I myself had previously hidden. However, I still miss an argument why the controls cannot be arranged in two rows from start, esp. if the same is acceptable on the navigation bar (and in several other menu windows, for that matter). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #31 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Christian Lehmann from comment #30) > Just for clarification: It is not a just question of reducing the size of > the icons and their spacing a bit. The point is that, in order to display > the styles' names, at most _half_ of the width currently allotted to the > styles bar is needed. The Sidebar controls are reasonably sized. Also, the Sidebar can be undocked to float where unobtrusive. There is an issue for the Windows builds where the WDM os/DE scaling of the UI beyond 100% is not correctly applied to the controls. That is open as bug 128243, the Linux os/DE on VCL backends do not apparently suffer the same distortion. If you are on a Windows build, the correct relationship of the controls will appear at 100% scaling--which of course is too small for effective use on a HiDPI screen. Design decision applicable to all Decks/Content panels of the Sidebar is to *not* hide any of the controls, and to establish a minimum width calculated for each deck so that all of its controls are visible. Allowing the controls to shuffle would not help as it would loose context, but also would increase the vertical height of the Deck--not a solutions and horrible UX. Before it was decided not to hide controls, some Decks were allowed to reduce width hiding controls--until the deck would collapse to show the Tab bar. That function has been removed, and now with no controls hidden the Deck will immediately collapse when the Tab bar buttons are double clicked. For reference so you can use the correct terminology... Nomenclature of components on the Sidebar are as here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO-HIG_SideeBar-Terminology.png Design discussion is as here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/Sidebar -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #30 from Christian Lehmann --- Just for clarification: It is not a just question of reducing the size of the icons and their spacing a bit. The point is that, in order to display the styles' names, at most _half_ of the width currently allotted to the styles bar is needed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #29 from Christian Lehmann --- Ad comment 27, "No, allowing the Sidebar Deck and its Content panels to shuffle controls--to maintain visibility but loose context--is no solution, and would be worse UX than the simple 'slide hidden to collapse' of the original implementation." At the risk of misunderstanding the jargon: It seems that no argument has been offered in favor of reducing the user's screen space by a rectangle dominated by a stiff horizontal line of controls. If the suggestions for remedy offered by users do not seem to be workable to developers, then it seems to be their task to find a method of revising a wrong design decision. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #28 from Apt --- Thanks for the reply, Stuart. If a mitigation measure like multiple rows is not acceptable to the designers, I do hope the incorrect width fix is not too delayed then. At the moment this is my second biggest issue w/ LO. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #27 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Christian Lehmann from comment #23) > Two considerations may be added to this design decision: > > 1) The same reasoning obviously has not applied to the Navigation bar, whose > width can be shrunk such that some controls get hidden. > Not with current 7.1.0 or master/7.2.0 the Navigator's minimum width is the combined width of the 'Navigate by' and the 'Go to Page' listbox and button controls. Unfortunately wider than they need to be on Windows os/DE. They can no longer be slid hidden. (In reply to Apt from comment #26) > I second Christian's suggestion of multiple rows. That seems like a very > commonsensical fix which maintains visibility of the controls while > providing a lot more flexibility in the sidebar's width. > No, allowing the Sidebar Deck and its Content panels to shuffle controls--to maintain visibility but loose context--is no solution, and would be worse UX than the simple 'slide hidden to collapse' of the original implementation. The UX agreed fixed minimum / no-hiding has its issues, especially with os/DE scaling in use for HiDPI. But correctly handling the out of control width calculation should bring improvement. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #26 from Apt --- I second Christian's suggestion of multiple rows. That seems like a very commonsensical fix which maintains visibility of the controls while providing a lot more flexibility in the sidebar's width. In my opinion this is a serious layout issue. If I were to start using LO today (instead of around a decade ago, counting OpenOffice), it's the kind of problem that could turn me off to Writer right away and send me back to MS Office. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #25 from John --- Thank you for indicating that this was a deliberate design change, not a regression or other bug. It looks like I will be left using 6.4 for the time being. While I note the discussion, it never appeared to me to be broken in 6.4 in a way which required fixing (to a non-programmer). I agree with Mr Lehmann that there are other alternatives. It is perhaps a little weird that the style and formatting panel can be shrunk in 6.x in a way which causes the icons at the top to disappear with no clue that they are hidden. Two rows as suggested would be one alternative or perhaps a down-pointing black arrowhead might appear once icons were hidden to show that there were hidden icons (as can happen to tray icons in the windows taskbar, for example). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #24 from andis.lazd...@gmail.com --- Created attachment 167803 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=167803=edit Page sidedar - much wider than the contents In attached picture you can see that page tab shrink to minimum is nearly twice wider than it's contents. Even if the idea of this feature was to avoid hiding of control elements, implementation is ugly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 --- Comment #23 from Christian Lehmann --- Two considerations may be added to this design decision: 1) The same reasoning obviously has not applied to the Navigation bar, whose width can be shrunk such that some controls get hidden. 2) That all controls should remain visible may or may not be a reasonable requirement. However, there is more than one way to guarantee this. For instance, the top line of the bar containing the controls could undergo line-break. Or the controls could be arranged in two lines from start, instead of one - far too long - line, as it is now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 131947] Writer sidebar minimum width is too wide when docked (see comment 16 comment 22)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131947 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Writer sidebar minimum |Writer sidebar minimum |width is too wide when |width is too wide when |docked (see comment 16) |docked (see comment 16 ||comment 22) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
