[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

--- Comment #12 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #11)
> Woot? See comment 4

The comment 4 does *not* mention anything about using the control in question.
You just declared that your words somehow related to the topic, without
specific steps.

Please write something like:

1. ...
2. ...
...
N. Put cursor to "Remaining space" edit box, enter X...
...

So that it would be obvious at which stage the editable state of the control
was useful, and created a difference.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Clean-up ux-advice from CC since keyword was removed.

(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #10)
> All that direct input is not handled in code...

Woot? See comment 4

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

Telesto  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||bibisectRequest

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

Mike Kaganski  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
   Keywords|needsUXEval |regression

--- Comment #10 from Mike Kaganski  ---
This is a regression.

In v.3.3, the field was read-only (although selectable). It didn't allow
changing its value directly (neither by typing, nor by using mouse wheel, arrow
keys, or PgUp/PgDn). Note that using wheel when mouse pointer was over that
field, but keyboard cursor was in a column width field (with "Adapt table
width" checked), looked as if it changed the remaining size, but actually
changed it only indirectly via changing the active column width.

In v.5.4, it also didn't accept typing - but it accepted arrow keys, PgUp/PgDn,
and wheel.

In current version (7.0.0.2) it now has spin buttons, and accepts typing.

All that direct input is not handled in code, and is of course wrong. It must
be read-only, just as e.g. old About dialog's data (selectable, but not
directly modifiable).

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Telesto  changed:

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 CC||mikekagan...@hotmail.com

--- Comment #9 from Telesto  ---
@Mike
In need for a vision of third person. Remaining Space is input field, without
doing anything. So I argue to make it read-only (or change it some way it does
something useful)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #7)
> The whole table size/ columns size thing is rather quirky.

Agreed, but the topic is whether or not the remaining space field should be
read only and I gave examples where it is useful. Open for other opinions, of
course.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

Telesto  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|NOTABUG |---
 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED

--- Comment #7 from Telesto  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #5)
> > I'm maybe ambiguous with my request.
> 
> So let's resolve.
> 
> > Screencast would be helpful
> 
> ...to see me entering numbers? ;-)

Hold on: this isn't invitation to close. And of course seeing you entering
numbers. Especially related to the remaining spacing field. :-). As if I read
correctly you say it has influence on the columns.. which I say it doesn't and
you say it does.. 

And in some cases you tend to assume it's working that way.. Or now it worked
that way, but you didn't try it recently.. The whole table size/ columns size
thing is rather quirky. And I have to ask UX few times as this is the design
for 10 years at minimum. So I can't bibisect it to a certain point.

Except its surely flawed in multitude of ways.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #5)
> I'm maybe ambiguous with my request.

So let's resolve.

> Screencast would be helpful

...to see me entering numbers? ;-)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

--- Comment #5 from Telesto  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #3)
> > It's easier if you give an step by example where you can actually do
> > something with the "Remaining Space" box.
> 
> Use cases:
> * Insert a 2x2 table via toolbar widget and adjust the column width to be
> equally 2cm (check adapt table width in order to increase the remaining
> space)
> * Insert a 2x2 table via toolbar widget and adjust it to be 10cm large with
> 2/3 for the right column (uncheck adjust table width, enter 5cm at col #2,
> enter 10cm at remaining space, which is adjusted to 9,4)
> * enlarge an existing table while keeping the column width equal (check
> Adjust columns.. and step up/down to increase all columns with cost on the
> remaining space)

I'm maybe ambiguous with my request. The Remaining Space part doesn't allow
input. So with read-only I mean; don't take user input. It should still respond
to changes made in the column part


The middle I don't get; or doesn't work for me. Screencast would be helpful :-)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #3)
> It's easier if you give an step by example where you can actually do
> something with the "Remaining Space" box.

Use cases:
* Insert a 2x2 table via toolbar widget and adjust the column width to be
equally 2cm (check adapt table width in order to increase the remaining space)
* Insert a 2x2 table via toolbar widget and adjust it to be 10cm large with 2/3
for the right column (uncheck adjust table width, enter 5cm at col #2, enter
10cm at remaining space, which is adjusted to 9,4)
* enlarge an existing table while keeping the column width equal (check Adjust
columns.. and step up/down to increase all columns with cost on the remaining
space)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

--- Comment #3 from Telesto  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> Use a width < page width (might require to set alignment to something else
> but automatic) and change the remaining space value in the column field
> (might require to reduce the width of one column). Also check "Adapt table
> width" and read the manual. 
> 
> I don't see a benefit from making the remaining space readonly.

It's easier if you give an step by example where you can actually do something
with the "Remaining Space" box. Tried number of options.. Still not seeing what
it supposed to do

"**Displays** the amount of space that is available for adjusting the width of
the columns"

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Use a width < page width (might require to set alignment to something else but
automatic) and change the remaining space value in the column field (might
require to reduce the width of one column). Also check "Adapt table width" and
read the manual. 

I don't see a benefit from making the remaining space readonly.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

Telesto  changed:

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 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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   Keywords||needsUXEval

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 134930] UI: Remaining space in Table Column Tab should be an read-only field

2020-07-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134930

--- Comment #1 from Telesto  ---
Created attachment 163235
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=163235&action=edit
Example file

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