[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #14) > Heiko, so who can decide, that enhancement request is accepted? Since we have different opinions you can set it to New or follow my take and go with WF. Or keep in this state until someone has further arguments. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #14 from Dieter --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #13) > Had this topic on the agenda for the design meeting but no further input. So > removing the keyword but keeping the ticket. Heiko, so who can decide, that enhancement request is accepted? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org --- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze --- Making the ToF cross-reference-like sounds like over-engineering to me. And we have the Display option right now, plus the radio buttons in discussion. But maybe we can improve the situation with a better naming like "Create From" -> "Reference to" and "Object names" -> "Figure"/"Table"/etc. Had this topic on the agenda for the design meeting but no further input. So removing the keyword but keeping the ticket. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #12 from Dieter --- (In reply to demo4 from comment #11) > > So it should be possible to get the same result with an index entry > How it is possible? Sorry, perhaps my comment was not correct enough. "It should be possible to get the same result" = It should be possible for a developer to change behaviour of link from Table of Figure that it behaves like link from a cross reference -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #11 from de...@web.de --- > The caption is just a field and can be anywhere. Correct. Regarding this it makes sense that the ToF points to the caption. That, especially considering the background of when you follow the reference to change the caption. > So it should be possible to get the same result with an index entry How it is possible? In order for an index to point to a picture, "Create from object names" must be selected. In my opinion, this is not a real alternative, because the object name does not match the caption. In addition, this only works with some predefined index-types (Table of Figures, Index of Tables). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- Created attachment 172317 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=172317&action=edit Example with caption separated from image My argument: The caption is just a field and can be anywhere. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|WONTFIX |--- Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #9 from Dieter --- Created attachment 171813 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=171813&action=edit Example with index and cross-reference Just made some further testing with a cross-reference (see attachment). Focus is in caption, but at least part of the image is visible. So it should be possible to get the same result with an index entry. So I change status back to UNCONFIRMED. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #7) > But we don't have to into a deeper discussion here. Now I know, that you > understand my POV. and it's of course up to you or the design-team to decide. It's always us, the community, who makes the call. If you think this needs a closer look or my POV is wrong, just reopen. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #7 from Dieter --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6) > (In reply to Dieter from comment #5) > > For me it is clear that "Create from Captions" should be understood as > > "Create entry in index from Captions" and "Create from Object Names" should > > be understood as "Create entry in index from Object Names". I hope yo agree. > Absolutely > > > So I wouldn't expect, that the options also determine the target of the > > hyperlink. > Me not; one target is the caption the other the object (name). So we have different opinions. Help only says: "Create from: Use this area to specify which information to include in an index." https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-GB/text/swriter/01/04120211.html?System=WIN&DbPAR=WRITER&HID=modules/swriter/ui/tocindexpage/TocIndexPage#bm_id3145247 > > And I hope you agree, that - if you have an image or an table > > with caption below - the user won't expect to see only the caption, but not > > the table or the image itself, if he clicks within the index. > In other words you would always target the object itself. Yes, because we have an index of figures or an index of tables and not in index of captures ;-) > But caption and > object don't need to stick together, a common scenario is when you place two > images next to each other and one caption below; all placed as character in > a table. I see your point, but I can't say if this is common or not (can't remember, that I have seen it) > And while I see the point of showing the actual object rather than > the caption I'm afraid of side-effects. What should happen if the object is > removed but the caption remains in the document I think we shouldn't take into account every "mistake" a user can make. But we don't have to into a deeper discussion here. Now I know, that you understand my POV. and it's of course up to you or the design-team to decide. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #5) > For me it is clear that "Create from Captions" should be understood as > "Create entry in index from Captions" and "Create from Object Names" should > be understood as "Create entry in index from Object Names". I hope yo agree. Absolutely > So I wouldn't expect, that the options also determine the target of the > hyperlink. Me not; one target is the caption the other the object (name). > And I hope you agree, that - if you have an image or an table > with caption below - the user won't expect to see only the caption, but not > the table or the image itself, if he clicks within the index. In other words you would always target the object itself. But caption and object don't need to stick together, a common scenario is when you place two images next to each other and one caption below; all placed as character in a table. And while I see the point of showing the actual object rather than the caption I'm afraid of side-effects. What should happen if the object is removed but the caption remains in the document - which is possible after de-framing. There is just no unique link between caption and object. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #5 from Dieter --- Created attachment 171798 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=171798&action=edit index (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4) >Isn't it perfectly clear that Captions points to the label and Object names > to the object itself? What should we change? For me it is clear that "Create from Captions" should be understood as "Create entry in index from Captions" and "Create from Object Names" should be understood as "Create entry in index from Object Names". I hope yo agree. So I wouldn't expect, that the options also determine the target of the hyperlink. And I hope you agree, that - if you have an image or an table with caption below - the user won't expect to see only the caption, but not the table or the image itself, if he clicks within the index. (see attached example) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #3) > Heiko, you're the expert of course, but how do you explain the different > behaviour, if you choose "Create from Captions" or "Create from Object > Names"? I would expect, that thisonly affects the entry in the index, but > not the target of the hyperlink. Isn't it perfectly clear that Captions points to the label and Object names to the object itself? What should we change? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 --- Comment #3 from Dieter --- Heiko, you're the expert of course, but how do you explain the different behaviour, if you choose "Create from Captions" or "Create from Object Names"? I would expect, that thisonly affects the entry in the index, but not the target of the hyperlink. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WONTFIX Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze --- This is not going to fly. ToC are references to fields and you can use image, picture, figure or any other term. Even mixed. And the reference is not the frame but this field. Secondly, there is no need to have a frame at all. Copy/paste the image in a table and move the caption to the cell at right, for example. And last but not least, this behavior is quite common. MSO does also jump to the caption and not top of the image. Bad argument but the first two are striking to resolve as WF. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 141651] INDEX: Table of figures Hyperlink points to caption, should point to parent frame
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141651 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||89606 Summary|Table of figures Hyperlink |INDEX: Table of figures |points to caption, should |Hyperlink points to |point to parent frame |caption, should point to ||parent frame Whiteboard| QA:needsComment| Keywords||needsUXEval CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de, ||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org --- Comment #1 from Dieter --- I confirm the described behaviour with Version: 7.1.3.1 (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: fa76d07d7006a0e2866c3247cef2d5eb55ae8369 CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-GB Calc: CL Additional information: If you choose "Create from Objects" in the type tab you get the desired result Let's decide design team, if an improvement is useful here. cc: Design-Team Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89606 [Bug 89606] [META] Table of Contents and Indexes bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
