[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146380] (Enhancement) Add Single, Double, etc. Page View to the View Menu, so it is easier to Hide Whitespace, and stop automatically reverting documents to Auto.

2022-01-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146380

--- Comment #15 from MarjaE  ---
When I change the settings, LibreOffice doesn't note that the document has been
edited. So it lacks an important clue that these are savable
document-by-document settings instead of LibreOffice preferences.

I still think some or all of the interface changes in comment 11 would make it
easier to find and apply these settings.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146380] (Enhancement) Add Single, Double, etc. Page View to the View Menu, so it is easier to Hide Whitespace, and stop automatically reverting documents to Auto.

2022-01-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to MarjaE from comment #11)
> 1. I don't understand the logic of reverting Show Whitespace, View Layout,
> and Zoom every time people open a file. I think a persistent user preference
> would be appropriate.

This is per-document setting. So when you create a document, and set it to
two-page view, and save it, this document will open two-page next time, both
for you, and for other people. But other documents, having a different layout
setting, will use their own setting. Thus, if you had created lots of documents
in two-page layout, all they will have that setting individually.

When used *normally*, this feature allows you to have some documents in book
view, some in single page view, and that would be defined by your preference
for them. You may have different kinds of documents, with multiple page sizes,
orientations, some for reading/reference, some for day-to-day editing ... and
using same layout for all is not OK. But of course, if the feature was used
incorrectly - e.g., when you've set it without clear understanding, then
created tens of documents, and now want all of them to look single-page, you
might feel like "give me an option to undo my previous mistake for all at
once". Still, that is not a use case that needs such an option - it's a user
mistake.

Note also, that if you created a template with such a setting, new documents
created from that template will all have that setting applied.

Hope that helps.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 146380] (Enhancement) Add Single, Double, etc. Page View to the View Menu, so it is easier to Hide Whitespace, and stop automatically reverting documents to Auto.

2022-01-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #13 from MarjaE  ---
As for the preferences interface, that's bug 144075.

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--- Comment #12 from MarjaE  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #10)
> (In reply to MarjaE from comment #9)
> > It's hidden in a separate dialogue when I try that.
> 
> You are telling puzzles. What's hidden where?

The View Layout options are hidden in a separate dialogue in View > Zoom >
Zoom... Why would a user expect to find them under Zoom, or under Zoom >
Zoom...?

> 
> > It keeps reverting.
> 
> What keeps reverting, and at which moment?

Each time I open the document, I find that all these settings have reverted.

> 
> > So I have to go into this hidden dialogue every time I open every Writer
> > document.
> 
> This seems to confirm my idea that "it reverts" for other documents.
> 
> > If there is an option under Preferences, I can't find it, because I can't
> > enlarge the "perfectly readable" text in that interface to read it.
> 
> Which option you are talking about? We already discussed the option in the
> View menu. And what "I can't find it, because I can't enlarge the "perfectly
> readable" text in that interface to read it" might mean?

An option to set the View Layout, instead of having it always revert to Auto,
and to turn off Show Whitespace, instead of havuing it always revert to on.
> 
> Generally, you seem to fight with the interface, and try to find answers
> here; but this is not a user support resource - this is a bug tracking site,
> where issues need to be described clearly, with steps to reproduce,
> screenshots, problematic documents, etc. - not to help user to workaround or
> to learn, but to reproduce the issue, confirm it, and then hopefully fix.

And this interface is a bug.

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--- Comment #11 from MarjaE  ---
1. I don't understand the logic of reverting Show Whitespace, View Layout, and
Zoom every time people open a file. I think a persistent user preference would
be appropriate.

2. I suggest either adding all the options to the View menu itself, or renaming
"Zoom..." to "Zoom and View Layout."

3. I suggest adding the Show Whitespace option to that dialogue.

4. I suggest highlighting the current View Layout in the lower right corner, so
people can see what layout they have, since depending on screen size and zoom,
there may not be any other indication.

5. I suggest adding the Show Whitespace option there.

6. I don't know if this would cause anyone trouble, but I wonder if it would
help if unchecking Show Whitespace automatically chanced the View Layout to
Single.

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--- Comment #10 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to MarjaE from comment #9)
> It's hidden in a separate dialogue when I try that.

You are telling puzzles. What's hidden where? Indeed, the menu
'View->Zoom->Zoom...' opens a dialog, as indicated in comment 8. Are you
talking about that?

> It keeps reverting.

What keeps reverting, and at which moment? When you set the setting, and press
OK? Or when you close a document and open another? (Which would be OK, since
this option is saved per document, and when you have that setting already saved
in a document to multi-page view, it must open that way.)

> So I have to go into this hidden dialogue every time I open every Writer
> document.

This seems to confirm my idea that "it reverts" for other documents.

> If there is an option under Preferences, I can't find it, because I can't
> enlarge the "perfectly readable" text in that interface to read it.

Which option you are talking about? We already discussed the option in the View
menu. And what "I can't find it, because I can't enlarge the "perfectly
readable" text in that interface to read it" might mean?

Generally, you seem to fight with the interface, and try to find answers here;
but this is not a user support resource - this is a bug tracking site, where
issues need to be described clearly, with steps to reproduce, screenshots,
problematic documents, etc. - not to help user to workaround or to learn, but
to reproduce the issue, confirm it, and then hopefully fix.

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MarjaE  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|(Enhancement) Add Single,   |(Enhancement) Add Single,
   |Double, etc. Page View to   |Double, etc. Page View to
   |the View Menu, so it is |the View Menu, so it is
   |easier to Hide Whitespace.  |easier to Hide Whitespace,
   ||and stop automatically
   ||reverting documents to
   ||Auto.

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