[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 Caolán McNamara changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |caol...@redhat.com |desktop.org | Status|NEW |ASSIGNED خالد حسني changed: What|Removed |Added CC||philip...@hotmail.com --- Comment #14 from Caolán McNamara --- my comment there was "possible to-do, sort by UILocale instead of process locale" so we can simply do that instead --- Comment #15 from خالد حسني --- *** Bug 107485 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 Caolán McNamara changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |caol...@redhat.com |desktop.org | Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #14 from Caolán McNamara --- my comment there was "possible to-do, sort by UILocale instead of process locale" so we can simply do that instead -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #13 from Maxim Iorsh --- @Caolán, could you please review this issue and express your opinion? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #12 from خالد حسني --- (In reply to Maxim Iorsh from comment #11) > (In reply to خالد حسني from comment #8) > > It seems that displaying localized font names is tied to the locale being > > used and not the UI language. I find this questionable choice, but IIRC > > Windows does this as well, so may be there is a good rational for this or > > may be users of certain locale expect it? > > > > I think this is a FontConfig issue, though: > > > > $ fc-match "Miriam CLM" > > MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "Miriam CLM" "Book" > > > > $ LC_ALL=he_IL LANG=en_US fc-match "Miriam CLM" > > MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "מרים" "קל" > > > > $ LC_ALL=en_US LANG=he_IL fc-match "Miriam CLM" > > MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "Miriam CLM" "Book" > > > > FontConfig seems to be returning the localized name depending on the locale > > not the language. > > The behavior of fontconfig is correct, because LC_ALL overrides LANG. The > issue seems to be that UI language is not necessarily reflected in any > environment variable, Libreoffice even allows to set it explicitly in > settings. > > Maybe the correct solution is to call fontconfig with custom environment > which depends on use case. I'd suggest the following: > > For UI: Set LC_ALL=; call fontconfig > For file save: Set LC_ALL=C; call fontconfig > > In this way each user will see font name tailored to their UI, but the font > name used inside file read/write will be stable across all systems. Sorry, that was red-herring indeed. The issue is in LibreOffice code, in particular this code that uses process locale instead of the UI language: https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/refs/heads/master/vcl/unx/generic/fontmanager/fontconfig.cxx#445 The best person to comment about this code is Caolán McNamara, but this code have been like this since ~forever. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #11 from Maxim Iorsh --- (In reply to خالد حسني from comment #8) > It seems that displaying localized font names is tied to the locale being > used and not the UI language. I find this questionable choice, but IIRC > Windows does this as well, so may be there is a good rational for this or > may be users of certain locale expect it? > > I think this is a FontConfig issue, though: > > $ fc-match "Miriam CLM" > MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "Miriam CLM" "Book" > > $ LC_ALL=he_IL LANG=en_US fc-match "Miriam CLM" > MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "מרים" "קל" > > $ LC_ALL=en_US LANG=he_IL fc-match "Miriam CLM" > MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "Miriam CLM" "Book" > > FontConfig seems to be returning the localized name depending on the locale > not the language. The behavior of fontconfig is correct, because LC_ALL overrides LANG. The issue seems to be that UI language is not necessarily reflected in any environment variable, Libreoffice even allows to set it explicitly in settings. Maybe the correct solution is to call fontconfig with custom environment which depends on use case. I'd suggest the following: For UI: Set LC_ALL=; call fontconfig For file save: Set LC_ALL=C; call fontconfig In this way each user will see font name tailored to their UI, but the font name used inside file read/write will be stable across all systems. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #10 from خالد حسني --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #9) > (In reply to خالد حسني from comment #8) > > It seems that displaying localized font names is tied to the locale being > > used and not the UI language. I find this questionable choice, but IIRC > > Windows does this as well, > > I don't remember seeing this on Windows. At least - not when I browse fonts, > and not when I select fonts in MSO. Can you be more specific? That was years ago, so I’ll need to test it again. But I had built a font that had Arabic localized name entries, and it would show the Arabic names even on systems with English UI language. > > so may be there is a good rational for this or > > may be users of certain locale expect it? > > I doubt that a user, who has chosen a certain UI language for an app, > expects drop-down list items to use the locale language instead. Not to > mention the fact that many/most Hebrew and probably Arabic fonts don't even > include a translation of the name. Different user communities have different expectations, for example Chinese names for Chinese fonts seem to be common. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #9 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to خالد حسني from comment #8) > It seems that displaying localized font names is tied to the locale being > used and not the UI language. I find this questionable choice, but IIRC > Windows does this as well, I don't remember seeing this on Windows. At least - not when I browse fonts, and not when I select fonts in MSO. Can you be more specific? > so may be there is a good rational for this or > may be users of certain locale expect it? I doubt that a user, who has chosen a certain UI language for an app, expects drop-down list items to use the locale language instead. Not to mention the fact that many/most Hebrew and probably Arabic fonts don't even include a translation of the name. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 خالد حسني changed: What|Removed |Added OS|All |Linux (All) Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW --- Comment #8 from خالد حسني --- It seems that displaying localized font names is tied to the locale being used and not the UI language. I find this questionable choice, but IIRC Windows does this as well, so may be there is a good rational for this or may be users of certain locale expect it? I think this is a FontConfig issue, though: $ fc-match "Miriam CLM" MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "Miriam CLM" "Book" $ LC_ALL=he_IL LANG=en_US fc-match "Miriam CLM" MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "מרים" "קל" $ LC_ALL=en_US LANG=he_IL fc-match "Miriam CLM" MiriamCLM-Book.ttf: "Miriam CLM" "Book" FontConfig seems to be returning the localized name depending on the locale not the language. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #7 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Maxim Iorsh from comment #6) Version: 7.4.1.2 / LibreOffice Community Build ID: 40(Build:2) CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 5.19; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3 Locale: en-IL (en_IL); UI: en-US Debian package version: 1:7.4.1-1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #6 from Maxim Iorsh --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #5) > Created attachment 183407 [details] > Properly displayed with an LO 7.5 dev build on Linux > > I have to say I can't reproduce this bug - neither with LO 7.4.12 nor with a > recent 7.5 dev build. Attaching what I see in the font family drop-down list. This is strange. Eyal, could you please paste the entire build info? If you are using 7.4.2.3 appimage, it could be great. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #5 from Eyal Rozenberg --- Created attachment 183407 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=183407=edit Properly displayed with an LO 7.5 dev build on Linux I have to say I can't reproduce this bug - neither with LO 7.4.12 nor with a recent 7.5 dev build. Attaching what I see in the font family drop-down list. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | --- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #3) > There might be some design rationale to this... let's ask other people. Don't think so. If the font provides an English name it should be shown. The expanded list does it at least for Noto Naskh Arabic and similar showing the Arab name next to it. Same for utkal and Veberteysch in the screenshot. Wonder what makes those fonts different. How does the font info look like for a working example? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval Blocks||129661 CC||eyalr...@gmx.com, ||heiko.tietze@documentfounda ||tion.org --- Comment #3 from Eyal Rozenberg --- There might be some design rationale to this... let's ask other people. Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129661 [Bug 129661] [META] Right-To-Left (RTL) user interface issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||112812 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112812 [Bug 112812] [META] Hebrew language-specific RTL issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #2 from Maxim Iorsh --- Created attachment 183227 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=183227=edit Miriam fonts - regular and bold -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 151722] Incorrect TTF names are used in UI and in saved document
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151722 --- Comment #1 from Maxim Iorsh --- Created attachment 183226 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=183226=edit Font list screenshot -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
