[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #41 from Timur --- (In reply to Frank from comment #39) > Fascinating... Yet another "Special Case" in Writer. Whole comment is rather sarcastic than purposeful. LO is volunteer based project. One can help by opening a bug that will (after searching, reading and pointing to similar bugs) explain what's exactly expected (starting from existing rotations) or help more by coding himself/herself. No point to further give general observations and complaints in a bug that's resolved at least by explaining the reason. (In reply to Gerhard Schaber from comment #40) > Or even put simpler--look at what MS Word does. That's possible solution "some rework of rotation, which could be another bug, but only if explained what's expected" taking into account all possibilities. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #40 from Gerhard Schaber --- Or even put simpler--look at what MS Word does. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #39 from Frank --- Fascinating... Yet another "Special Case" in Writer. Why not carry this to its logical conclusion? When one rotates a page (rather than just a cell) from portrait to landscape mode, let's add a different set of behaviours for text handling. For example, as Keiko describes: "Just enter 123456, rotate, and add a break - it becomes 456 in the first paragraph followed by 123." This would at least make Writer's behaviour consistent. As I asked in an earlier post, why should text entry and editing within a cell be any different at all [from a user perspective] from text entry and editing outside a cell? The idea of altering the documentation to describe how "456 follows 123 but only in a cell" should prompt at least a bit of head-scratching (in logic, adding such documentation would be akin to what is called "reductio ad absurdum"). But, then again, if user confusion is the objective of the Writer team, has anyone considered the other possibilities: could cell editing be coded in such a way to have it respond differently depending on the direction of the rotation (clock-wise or counter-clockwise), e.g. have it produce 321 654 if the rotation is counter-clockwise? It would certainly be a shame to permit ANY opportunity to be more user-hostile pass by. That isn't as silly or sarcastic as it sounds by the way. Writer still handles RTL (right-to-left, such as Arabic or Hebrew scripts) within rotated cells in a humorous (thought not quite achieving the status of encryption) fashion - swapping not only segments (e.g. the aforementioned 123 and 456) but individual characters as well. A Hebrew or Arabic segment does in fact act as if it is 321 654. Editing in cells is BROKEN and has been for at least a decade and likely longer. It constitutes at least one BUG, and likely several. While editing or rotating text within a cell it MIGHT BE a special case from a programming standpoint, it should require no special knowledge or additional documentation. Here's a quick stab at a full and complete explanation of what's expected: "". I'll repeat: "". If that's unclear, it means a user should have no expectation that text entry or editing should be any different within a cell than it would be anywhere else. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval | Resolution|--- |NOTABUG Status|NEW |RESOLVED --- Comment #38 from Timur --- I'll close this, as explained. While this *is* confusing, we have options: - we need to check documentation and update it, if needed. - I opened bug 130807, to make options more obvious - some rework of rotation, which could be another bug, but only if explained what's expected. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #37 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Timur from comment #36) > Technically and surprisingly, this is NotABug. I agree with NAB. And the issue is not related to tables, though it's more surprising since the style Table Content has zero distance between paragraphs. Just enter 123456, rotate, and add a break - it becomes 456 in the first paragraph followed by 123. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added Attachment #157980|0 |1 is obsolete|| --- Comment #36 from Timur --- Created attachment 157981 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=157981&action=edit Test with cases for char and table rotate Mark gave a fine explanation. In order to complete it, I also add test ODT with cases for char and table rotate. Technically and surprisingly, this is NotABug. Problem is maybe that LO has multiple ways of rotating text in table. If done via chars, well, we must understand how it works. Or use table cell rotation. For staying open, we need Expected results for both Enter and Shift+Enter. And reason why behavior for chars rotation should be changed, if exists possibility to rotate via table cell. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #35 from Timur --- Created attachment 157980 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=157980&action=edit Test with cases Fine explanation. I also add test ODT with cases. Technically and surprisingly, this is NotABug. For staying open, we need Expected results for both Enter and Shift+Enter. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436
--- Comment #34 from Frank ---
Re: "I think this is not a bug although it is confusing"
Seriously? If some feature is confusing to users, particularly those
experienced enough to participate in the user forums, and is recognized as
confusing by a developer, that is by any reasonable definition a BUG.
It's likely that the issue might not be one of coding inadequacies, but rather
a lack of clear definition of what needs to happen during text entry or editing
within a cell. As pointed out earlier, the specs for such a FUNDAMENTAL editing
process should encompass all conditions, including the use of multiple script
directions and so forth - just like normal use.
HINT: ask the question: why should the process/technique of editing text within
a cell be any different [from a user's perspective] from editing in the
document as a whole? If the answer is developer-centric (e.g. such behaviour is
harder to code within a cell) rather than user-centric, this can be considered
a CLUE.
Of course the excuse ("who uses that feature anyway?") can (as usual) be used
to obfuscate the issue. If the feature is considered not to be useful, why not
simply remove it? And I think we all know the answers (yes, plural) to that.
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #33 from Mark Hung --- Created attachment 157978 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=157978&action=edit Illustration of the position of the new paragraph. I think this is not a bug although it is confusing. The new paragraph starts from the position where it ought to be as illustrated in the uploaded attachment. Consider where the position is if user set the rotation of the characters to 0 degree in the new paragraph. Remember the writing mode of the whole cell is still left-to-right (horizontal). As Dmitry said in comment #4 that it is more logical a item "Left-to-right (vertical)" to "Text direction". A new writing mode Bottom-to-top(vertical) available since 6.4, which should also fit the use case. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added CC||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org Priority|medium |high --- Comment #32 from Xisco Faulí --- Changing priority to 'high' since the number of duplicates is higher than 5 or the number of people in CC higher than 20 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79 ||473 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #31 from Helmut Leininger --- Still present in LO Version: 6.2.0.2 (x64) Build-ID: 2ce5217b30a543f7666022df50f0562f82be0cff CPU-Threads: 4; BS: Windows 10.0; UI-Render: Standard; VCL: win; Gebietsschema: de-AT (de_AT); UI-Sprache: de-DE -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #30 from xavier.mat...@free.fr --- Bug still present in Version: 6.0.7.3 (x64) Build ID: dc89aa7a9eabfd848af146d5086077aeed2ae4a5 Threads CPU : 4; OS : Windows 10.0; UI Render : par défaut; Locale : fr-FR (fr_FR); Calc: group -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||5183 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated (Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #29 from kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> --- still repro in Version: 6.1.0.2 (x64) Build ID: b3972dcf1284967612d5ee04fea9d15bcf0cc106 CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0; UI render: default; Locale: ru-RU (ru_RU); Calc: CL -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated ( Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75 ||456 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated ( Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added CC||informat...@csap.cat --- Comment #28 from Timur --- *** Bug 89850 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated ( Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 --- Comment #27 from Bruno MONDIN --- Windows 7 Pro : Libo 5.1x, 5.2x et 5.3x I agree with the last comment of Andrei B. The Shift Enter solution can not be judged as a satisfactory solution. I think this is a long-standing bug that is still unresolved. It exists in 4.x, 5.1, it is always in 5.2 and finally in 5.3. This also gives elements to our users to insist that MS Office is better. Let's prove them wrong and fix this bug. Thanks Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 34436] TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated ( Shift Enter needed for line - see comment#3)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436 Cor Nouws changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|TABLES text in cells|TABLES text in cells |behaves wrong when rotated |behaves wrong when rotated |(using character|(Shift Enter needed for |properties) |line - see comment#3) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
