[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 41376] FILESAVE: Additional Postscript export required

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
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--- Comment #15 from David Tardon  2012-07-23 05:16:27 PDT 
---
You can create a postscript printer and print using it. Or you can use pdftops
to convert exported/printed PDF file.

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--- Comment #14 from Dag Nygren  2012-07-20 14:10:41 PDT ---
Why have you deliberately removed an "API" that people are using. Creates a lot
of extra work for admins that try to use the program through the command line.
I also need to convert the document to PS. Please reinsert.

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--- Comment #13 from Todd  2011-12-09 08:00:05 PST ---
(In reply to comment #12)
> @Todd:
> Were Alan J. Greenberger's hints useful for you?

I haven't had a chance to try it out.  I have switch to using the postal
service to mail out my contact letters.  That way I can attach a couple of
business cards.  I seems to be working out much better than eMail (they just
press delete/trash/junk without reading it) or a Fax (which you can not attach
a business card to).  But it is definitely in my to do list.
> 
> I believe asking for assistance in a user mailing list would help you more 
> than
> a Bugzilla report - there is no general interest for a LibO Postscript export
> function.

I do have a work around LO --> PDF --> Envince --> PS.  As far as the "general
interest", I lost that debate.  I had presumed that you were wrapping PDF
around PS and had the PS readily available.  I was incorrect.

Thinking about the matter more, I would rather you guys put your effort into
fixing the envelope printing situation anyway.  I currently have to boot an XP
VM and use Word Pro to print envelopes.  That is a far bigger pain than having
to use Envince to create a PS.

Go ahead an close this request.

Thank you all for your time and help,
-T

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--- Comment #12 from Rainer Bielefeld  
2011-12-09 01:06:22 PST ---
@Todd:
Were Alan J. Greenberger's hints useful for you?

I believe asking for assistance in a user mailing list would help you more than
a Bugzilla report - there is no general interest for a LibO Postscript export
function.

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--- Comment #11 from Alan J. Greenberger  2011-11-04 14:37:16 
PDT ---
LibreOffice 3.4.3 running on Debian Squeeze can fax just fine.  Go to Help and
in the Index type in the Search term faxes.  You will get instructions for how
to create a fax "printer" which will send postscript to your fax program.  The
information that I entered to create the fax printer ended up in
~/.libreoffice/3/user/psprint/psprint.conf .  In my case,
Command=/path_to_my_script (PHONE) .  When you print to the fax printer,
libreoffice puts a postscript file in /tmp .  If you enter a telephone number
in the pop up box then press OK, it invokes the Command with the entered phone
number appended to the Command path and sends the postscript file on standard
input.

If you wish to save the postscript file rather than sending it to the Command,
then when the pop up appears look in /tmp (ls -lt /tmp |more).  It will have a
meaningless name like hrIlj3.  Copy this file to something.ps and then Cancel
printing to fax.

Since LibreOffice still has the capability of creating this postscript file, it
should be pretty easy to add a PostScript option to the Print to file filter in
addition to the PDF option it now has.  The only downside is that the
postscript file is sort of large.

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--- Comment #10 from Rainer Bielefeld  
2011-10-31 00:09:38 PDT ---
@Todd:
I took that into my line (Might take 2 weeks or so), Currently no need to open
an extra LibO bug.

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--- Comment #9 from Todd  2011-10-30 23:46:10 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> @Todd:
> Thank you for detailed information! May be you can submit an enhancement
> request Bug for that envelope printing improvement? I believe it would be
> interesting to have a comparison by a user who tested that.

You are welcome.

Did that on 2003-09-08: http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19227
Got ignored, which is typical of bugs reported to Open Office.   I no longer
use OO.

Maybe I should reopen this in LO.

-T

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--- Comment #8 from Rainer Bielefeld  
2011-10-30 22:38:40 PDT ---
@Todd:
Thank you for detailed information! May be you can submit an enhancement
request Bug for that envelope printing improvement? I believe it would be
interesting to have a comparison by a user who tested that.

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--- Comment #7 from Todd  2011-10-30 13:28:29 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #2)
> > Hi Rainer,
> > 
> > Others who would use this feature would be anyone who needs a post script 
> > file,
> > such as those using Hyla FAX or other fax utilities.
> 
> http://www.hylafax.org/content/Handbook:Server_Operation:Sending_Faxes says
> that PDF is supported since 4.1beta2, which was released more than 6 years
> ago...

Interesting.  I had noticed at a PDF would work about 50% of the time.  I had
thought it had to do with the age of fax machine at the other end.  Post Script
seems to always work.

> No, we do not have to create postscript before PDF. 

Made me look at one of your PDF exports in binary more.  You are indeed not
wrapping a Post Script file.  So you truly do not have a Post Script available
for export.  So, as much as I would like to say otherwise, my request is
invalid.

> Where have you heard that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf#PostScript
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Structuring_Conventions

This is probably all a mute point anyway, I have found that after making a
positive contact on a cold call that the potential new client responds much
better to a letter, with a couple of business cards paper clipped to it, than
an eMail (press delete or junk) or a fax (toss in trash).   So I have stopped
fax'ing and eMailing. And, because I Libre Office can not print envelopes (bugs
42325, 42326, 42327), I have had to revert back to Word Pro in an XP virtual
machine.

And, come to think of it, I'd rather continue to use Envince to convert my
PDF's to Post Scripts and have you guys put your efforts to fixing the terrible
way Office Office (which you inherited) handles envelopes.

Thank you all for the time you put in on my enhancement request.  Please close
it.

-T

p.s. I would love it if you emulated Word Pro's envelope printing.  It really
works well.

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--- Comment #6 from David Tardon  2011-10-29 10:30:49 PDT 
---
(In reply to comment #2)
> Hi Rainer,
> 
> Others who would use this feature would be anyone who needs a post script 
> file,
> such as those using Hyla FAX or other fax utilities.

http://www.hylafax.org/content/Handbook:Server_Operation:Sending_Faxes says
that PDF is supported since 4.1beta2, which was released more than 6 years
ago...

> 
> Ordinarily, most Linux programs has a "print to file" listed as one of the
> available printers.  Firefox, Eye of gNome, etc.. This allows the user to
> easily print to either a Post Script or a PDF.  You have removed this feature.

Yes, we have. Like it or not, postscript is dead. It has been replaced by PDF
just about anywhere. Our print impl. has been changed to use PDF instead of
postscript, so there is not much reason to maintain standalone postscript
export anymore.

> 
> Also, ordinarily, if one installs the "cups-pdf" utility, you can select CUPS
> PDF printer and print directly as a PDF to your desktop or if you give CUPS 
> PDF
> a file location CUPS PDF will output a Post Script (not a PDF) file to that
> location.  This feature is not usable in Libre Office as the output of the 
> file
> created by Libre Office through CUP PDF is severely corrupted.

Print to PDF is not the same thing as export to PDF. There are some PDF
features you cannot get by print, e.g., hyperlinks or table of contents.

>  It is far easier just to export to a PDF, then open
> Evince and use the typical Linux "print to file" utility to create a Post
> Script file.

There are command line utilities too--pdftops and pdf2ps come to mind.

> 
> Now, if I am remembering correctly, you must first create a Post Script file
> before creating a PDF.

No, we do not have to create postscript before PDF. Where have you heard that?

>  It would be super if you would allow the Post Script
> file you create before creating the PDF to be saved.  Libre Office's "file",
> "Export to PDF", "File Type" would be the perfect place to put such thing. 
> ("File Type" currently only has one item in it, the dialog does not need to be
> there if you are not going to add items to it.)

As written above, it had been there and was intentionally removed.

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--- Comment #5 from Todd  2011-10-21 20:39:03 PDT ---
Had to do a bunch of cold calls today looking for new work (a normal part of
the process).  You would not believe how many businesses asked for a fax.  So,
out of desperation, I installed an Apple laser writer to create Post Script
files for fax'ing through Hyla Fax.  Guess what?  In Linux, when you write to a
file with the Apple Laser writers you don't not get a Post Script.  You get a
stinking PDF!  What a complete pain in the neck!  I had to print out each fax
and manually send it on a stand alone fax machine.  A complete waste of time!

Would you guys please consider bumping this enhancement request up at bit as a
kindness to those of use how love and use Libre Office and need Post Script
outputs!

Many thanks,
-T

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--- Comment #4 from Todd  2011-10-04 10:27:13 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #3)

> For me FAX seems to be an outdated technology, IMHO we should not invest much
> time. 

Outdated.  True.  But the legal and real estate professions show no signs
whatsoever of giving it up.  FAX is going to be around for a long time.

> there are lots of other Possibilities like FAX printers or clients listed
> on 

All of these clients on the Linux side require you first create a Post Script
file to attach to them.

You have the Post Script file as part of creating a PDF.  Just let us have
access to it as well.

Many thanks,
-T

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--- Comment #3 from Rainer Bielefeld  
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> Others who would use this feature would be anyone who needs a post script 
> file,
> such as those using Hyla FAX or other fax utilities.

For me FAX seems to be an outdated technology, IMHO we should not invest much
time. there are lots of other Possibilities like FAX printers or clients listed
on 

> easily print to either a Post Script or a PDF.  You have removed this feature.

With what Version?

> created by Libre Office through CUP PDF is severely corrupted.

What bug number?

> Yes, I have in the past installed a Apple Laser Writer in CUPS to work around
> this problem.  It is not intuitive to the user. 

My question again: nothing found on
?

> p.s. you could always fix the print to CUPS PDF problem.  

Again: what bug number?

My conclusion:
PS export might bring benefit for some users and applications away from the
mainstream, but IMHO very few. There are lots of workarounds. So between all
those 10 things in the line to be done I see this one somewhere nearby
99900.

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--- Comment #2 from Todd  2011-10-02 18:54:57 PDT ---
Hi Rainer,

Others who would use this feature would be anyone who needs a post script file,
such as those using Hyla FAX or other fax utilities.

Ordinarily, most Linux programs has a "print to file" listed as one of the
available printers.  Firefox, Eye of gNome, etc.. This allows the user to
easily print to either a Post Script or a PDF.  You have removed this feature.

Also, ordinarily, if one installs the "cups-pdf" utility, you can select CUPS
PDF printer and print directly as a PDF to your desktop or if you give CUPS PDF
a file location CUPS PDF will output a Post Script (not a PDF) file to that
location.  This feature is not usable in Libre Office as the output of the file
created by Libre Office through CUP PDF is severely corrupted.

Yes, I have in the past installed a Apple Laser Writer in CUPS to work around
this problem.  It is not intuitive to the user.  It is a huge pain in the neck
to remember how to use it.  It is far easier just to export to a PDF, then open
Evince and use the typical Linux "print to file" utility to create a Post
Script file.

Now, if I am remembering correctly, you must first create a Post Script file
before creating a PDF.  It would be super if you would allow the Post Script
file you create before creating the PDF to be saved.  Libre Office's "file",
"Export to PDF", "File Type" would be the perfect place to put such thing. 
("File Type" currently only has one item in it, the dialog does not need to be
there if you are not going to add items to it.)

And, you'd earn my undying gratitude.  Maybe not of others, but mine should be
large enough to cover the rest.

How did I do?  Did I convince you?

Many thanks,
-T
p.s. you could always fix the print to CUPS PDF problem.  That would work too. 
It would be better to do it in "Export to PDF" as most distributions do not
install cups-pdf by default and we want to make this intuitive to the user.

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Summary|: Export to Post Script |FILESAVE: Additional
   ||Postscript export required
   Keywords||NEEDINFO
   Severity|normal  |enhancement
   Priority|medium  |lowest
 CC||LibreOffice@bielefeldundbus
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--- Comment #1 from Rainer Bielefeld  
2011-09-30 23:49:06 PDT ---
@Todd:
I believe you do not believe that we will add that feature only because you
believe that you need it? Please contribute a (very very) well founded reason
why such a feature might be useful for many users and why a simple Postscript
Printer driver can't do the job.

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