[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 41775] Don't remove all menus when no windows are open - keep Tools and Help

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--- Comment #2 from Shad Sterling  2012-01-14 16:13:52 
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No change in 3.5.0beta2

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--- Comment #1 from Björn Michaelsen  
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 41775] Don't remove all menus when no windows are open - keep Tools and Help

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--- Comment #3 from Rainer Bielefeld  
2012-07-14 06:59:02 PDT ---
@Shad Sterling


@Roman
Can you confirm this problem?

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--- Comment #4 from Rainer Bielefeld  
2012-07-14 07:12:35 PDT ---
@reporter:
Thank you for your report – unfortunately important information is missing.
May be hints on  will help you to
find out what information will be useful to reproduce your problem? If you
believe that that  is really sophisticated please as for Help on a user mailing
list
Please:
- Write a meaningful Summary describing exactly what the problem is
- Attach screenshots with comments if you believe that that might explain the 
  problem better than a text comment. Best way is to insert your screenshots
  into a DRAW document and to add comments that explain what you want to show
- Contribute a document related step by step instruction containing every 
  key press and every mouse click how to reproduce your problem 
  (similar to example in Bug 43431)
- add information 
  -- what EXACTLY is unexpected
  -- and WHY do you believe it's unexpected (cite Help or Documentation!)
  -- concerning your OS (Version, Distribution, Language)
  -- concerning your LibO localization (UI language, Locale setting)
  –- Libo settings that might be related to your problems 
  -- how you launch LibO
  -- everything else crossing your mind after you read linked texts

Even if you can not provide all demanded information, every little new
information might bring the breakthrough.

It seems you are talking aboput LibO Start Center?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 41775] Don't remove all menus when no windows are open - keep Tools and Help

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--- Comment #5 from Roman Eisele  2012-07-14 07:32:31 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> @reporter:
> Thank you for your report – unfortunately important information is missing.
[...]
I think I can answer for Shad Sterling here (but please correct me, Shad
Sterling, if you meant something else!).

> It seems you are talking about LibO Start Center?
If I understand the original report right, Shad Sterling is talking about a
different situation which just does not occur on Windows (I don't know about
Linux): on MacOS and MacOS X, an application can be running *without* any open
windows at all; the global menu bar of the application is still available even
when all windows are closed.

In LibreOffice, this happens if you close all document windows *and* the Start
Center: the menu bar is still available, but contains only three entries: the
System (Apple) menu, the application menu ("LibreOffice", containing mostly
"Preferences" (Options) and "Quit LibreOffice") and the "File" menu. But there
is no "Tools" menu and no "Help" menu, and this is what Shad Sterling is
talking about.


REPRODUCIBLE with
* LibreOffice 3.4.0, OOO340m1 (Build:12)
* LibreOffice 3.4.6, OOO340m1 (Build:602)
* LibreOffice 3.5.5.3, Build-ID: 7122e39-92ed229-498d286-15e43b4-d70da21
* LibreOffice 3.6.0.0.beta3 (Build ID: 3e2b862)
and also with
* AOO 3.4.0
all with German langpack installed, all on MacOS X 10.6.8 (Intel).

Shad Sterling is right, "this makes no sense", especially from the point of
view of MacOS and MacOS X users. MacOS (7, 8, 9) and MacOS X (10.x)
applications which conform to Apple's Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) *never*
hide unused menus, they just disable them; if I remember correctly, Apple
required this explicitely at least in the older versions of the HIG (I did not
read the last revisions).

If a application is very complex (like LibreOffice), it can temporarily
exchange *some* of the menus to adapt to the current editing situation, just
like LibreOffice shows different Menus in Writer, Calc, Impress, etc. But at
least the standard menus, which are, according to Apple's HIG, the System
(Apple) menu, the Application menu ("LibreOffice", does not exist on
Windows?!), the menus "File", "Edit", often "Windows", and "Help", should
*never* be hidden. If no entry of such a menu is applicable, e.g. in the "Edit"
menu when no documents are open, just disable the complete menu, but do not
hide it.

So, at least on MacOS X, the menus "LibreOffice", "File", "Edit", "View",
"Tools", "Windows", and "Help" should be visible under all circumstances. This
is already true and working fine as long as the Start Center window is open. We
just need to change the situation when no window at all is open: in this
situation, the menu bar should look and behave just like when the Start Center
is open.

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--- Comment #6 from Roman Eisele  2012-07-14 07:39:54 PDT ---
@Thorsten Behrens:
This is a simple and compelling bug report about a simple MacOS X UI issue; the
problem is not dramatic, but on the other hand it should be rather easy to fix
this, so please take a look at it. Maybe this could be an "Easy hack"?
Sometimes such little UI improvements do most to make the application look
professional. Thank you in advance!

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Roman Eisele  changed:

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Version|3.4.3 release   |3.4.0 release

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Shad Sterling  changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Shad Sterling  2012-07-14 17:00:53 
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@Roman Eisele, you have it right.  I also see the same behavior with 3.5.5.3 on
OS X 10.7.4.

@Rainer Bielefeld, this bug is, as Roman elaborated, not about the Start
Center, but about the LibreOffice menu items on the OS X menu bar when no
windows are open.  (Bug #41776 is about the Start Center.)  Is any more
information needed to understand this bug?

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--- Comment #16 from Shad Sterling  ---
No change in bug behavior in 4.4.2.2 on OS X 10.10.2.

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--- Comment #8 from Emir Sarı  ---
@Kendy, 

Could it be possible to fix this small but annoying issue? Or maybe some code
pointers that would help people to have a look at it? It is a small but very
Mac-unlike detail of LibreOffice. 

I appreciate any help about this. :)
Regards,

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--- Comment #9 from Jan Holesovsky  ---
Emir: This is OSX specific, right? - would be great to attach a screenshot to
show what's going on :-)

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--- Comment #10 from Emir Sarı  ---
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Menus showing when Main Window is open

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--- Comment #11 from Emir Sarı  ---
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Only File menu is shown when no windows are open

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--- Comment #12 from Emir Sarı  ---
Sorry for the late screenshots - attached them :))

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--- Comment #13 from Emir Sarı  ---
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File menu when no windows are open

This menu should be removed I think, because it causes inconsistency among
menus

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--- Comment #14 from Emir Sarı  ---
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File menu when a window is open

This menu should appear

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