[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=73071 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #14 from Cor Nouws --- (In reply to Timur from comment #13) > > - enhancement to improve styles and formatting there > >(and if that really goes fine, open a discussion on making it default ;) > > ) > Is this an option: Bug 86443 - Sidebar: Add character and paragraph styles > formatting drop-down box to Properties Yes, good catch. > > - enhancement to open side bar with pane that was active when last used? > Good solution. This could be done immediately in this bug. Then this issue should be blocked /headed by 86443 And the summary should be radically changed. So much that IMO a new issue is just as good.. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #13 from Timur --- (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #12) > Maybe split this issue in two: > - enhancement to improve styles and formatting there >(and if that really goes fine, open a discussion on making it default ;) ) Is this an option: Bug 86443 - Sidebar: Add character and paragraph styles formatting drop-down box to Properties > - enhancement to open side bar with pane that was active when last used? Good solution. This could be done immediately in this bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 Timur changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=86443 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #12 from Cor Nouws --- Maybe split this issue in two: - enhancement to improve styles and formatting there (and if that really goes fine, open a discussion on making it default ;) ) - enhancement to open side bar with pane that was active when last used? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to comment #8) > Moreover, be aware, that having "Styles and Formatting" as the default Deck > in Impress makes absolutely no sense (I never heard of someone using this > stuff there, and "Slide Properties" are much more of interest there). No sense because it is implemented in a strange legacy fashion, rather I would suggest the slide "Layouts" content panel for Impress does not belong in the --Properties-- tray, as it is formatting applied to each slide. Rather that the existing --Styles and Formatting-- tray with the "Drawing Obejcts Styles" and "Presentation Styles" content panels, should be reworked and should include the selector for slide "Layout" formatting. Properties would then only hold the direct formatting details of the styles/configurations applied to the Paragraph, Fontwork, or Drawing object selected active on the slide. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #10 from Cor Nouws --- (In reply to comment #8) > I agree with Samuel. This should be well decided. I see no effort in having > "Styles and Formatting" opening as the default Deck of the Sidebar. If we > want to promote the Sidebar to the user, there will be only a small win - > because he thinks of it as "Styles and Formatting" - which he rarely uses > and closes it. To be honest, I have a stronger believe in what was discussed somewhere else (issue? UX-list?? @Mirek2 ??) about giving styles a serious place in the properties deck.. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #9 from Cor Nouws --- (In reply to comment #7) > There is nothing bad about direct formatting. Hmm, won't start that discussion here ;) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #8 from Thomas Arnhold --- I agree with Samuel. This should be well decided. I see no effort in having "Styles and Formatting" opening as the default Deck of the Sidebar. If we want to promote the Sidebar to the user, there will be only a small win - because he thinks of it as "Styles and Formatting" - which he rarely uses and closes it. Moreover, be aware, that having "Styles and Formatting" as the default Deck in Impress makes absolutely no sense (I never heard of someone using this stuff there, and "Slide Properties" are much more of interest there). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 Samuel Mehrbrodt changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |NEEDINFO CC||s.mehrbr...@gmail.com --- Comment #7 from Samuel Mehrbrodt --- There is nothing bad about direct formatting. Most people don't know how to use styles and putting that view as default won't help them. Please bring this to the UX-Advise list if you insist on this. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #6 from Ysabeau --- (In reply to comment #0) > Hello > > The side bar is very well designed, thank you for this feature. > > However the default view when: > - Select View> Sidebar, > - The buttons's order > - In the drop-down list of choices. > > should be display styles (first button, first choice in the list). > > View first properties encouraged to override the objects instead of using > styles. > I agree thousand (and more if necessary) of times. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #5 from Cor Nouws --- Hi Stuart, (In reply to comment #4) > Not to too finely split hairs but to what changes and restructuring do you > refer? Different option in paragraph styles, different default styles, quite radical change in page style, different working of Ctrl+M. This just out of my head, so there prolly will be more. > picks taken from our git repo of AOO svn, without substantive refactoring, Sorry, but it seems you have to look better (but of course that discussion does not belong here.) Kind regads, Cor -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote --- Hello Cor, (In reply to comment #3) > There´s some changed already in LibreOffice wrt styles, templates. On the > user part. And for sure more in the code restructuring itself. > So speaking of 'upstream' is a bit - let me say - unprecise ;) > But of course, this side thing initially came from IBM, and furthermore I > fully respect that people work where they want on which feature. > Not to too finely split hairs but to what changes and restructuring do you refer? I have yet to see a patch or adjustment to sidebar authored by anyone other than the primary sidebar devs at AOO, i.e. "upstream" for this experimental LO feature. And, the only LO work I've noticed has been systematic cherry picks taken from our git repo of AOO svn, without substantive refactoring, committed verbatim into LO master. So, really? Stuart -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 --- Comment #3 from Cor Nouws --- Hi Stuart, (In reply to comment #2) > But, as this experimental LibreOffice feature has not been developed or > designed within LibreOffice, this UX discussion probably should be taken > "upstream" where it belongs for the near term. There´s some changed already in LibreOffice wrt styles, templates. On the user part. And for sure more in the code restructuring itself. So speaking of 'upstream' is a bit - let me say - unprecise ;) But of course, this side thing initially came from IBM, and furthermore I fully respect that people work where they want on which feature. Cheers, Cor -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu See Also||https://issues.apache.org/o ||oo/show_bug.cgi?id=121420 --- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote --- Agree, the default Properties panel currently emphasizes direct formatting vs. use of styles as represented in the Styles & Formatting panel -- and that is a valid UX discussion in further development of sidebar, and for that matter the Template Manager. But, direct formatting has its use for efficient creation and editing of documents, often because of a poorly implemented styling and template infrastructure. But, as this experimental LibreOffice feature has not been developed or designed within LibreOffice, this UX discussion probably should be taken "upstream" where it belongs for the near term. Stuart -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 Cor Nouws changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|medium |high -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 Cor Nouws changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||c...@nouenoff.nl Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #1 from Cor Nouws --- Hi Pierre-Yves :) Thanks for reporting! I agree. Furthermore: I think the side bar is a nice piece of work which opens the possibility for some improvements in future. Currently, it's just more or less doubling already existing functions. All controls for direct formatting both on the tool bar and in that nice panel. Shiver ... So currently it enhances the use of direct formating. The one and by far largest problem in office productivity work (and document exchange, compatibility etc etc and so forth...) But: as I wrote: a change to improve something. As a first step, I strongly support your request. Cheers - Cor -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 65351] Sidebar: default view is not "Styles and formatting"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65351 pierre-yves samyn changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||65138 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
