[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 79877] Option to revert to old Pop-Up edit method for Input Fields

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 79877] Option to revert to old Pop-Up edit method for Input Fields

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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #12)

> > Would you be ok with this solution?
> 
> Yes it would be reasonable to change double click action the open "old"
> Input Fields dialog (rather than the Edit Fields dialog). 

Good idea,

> But the "old" dialog (currently reached with F9_SHIFT_MOD1)  needs
> refactoring that would make it suitable to task:
> 
> 1.) "old" dialog's default is to now position at the start (the first
> text:text-input field) in the document. Instead the dialog should open
> positioned to the field with cursor focus and the double-click originates.
> 
> 2.) the "old" dialog needs a Previous button action to complement the Next
> button. In other words logic to allow movement in both directions through
> fields of the form--currently it is one way sequential from start of form.

Even better.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 79877] Option to revert to old Pop-Up edit method for Input Fields

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--- Comment #12 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #11)
> == Suggestion: ==
> As you can reach the "Edit Field" dialog via the context menu, we should
> change the double click action to open the "old" dialog instead.
> 
> Would you be ok with this solution?

Yes it would be reasonable to change double click action the open "old" Input
Fields dialog (rather than the Edit Fields dialog). 

But the "old" dialog (currently reached with F9_SHIFT_MOD1)  needs refactoring
that would make it suitable to task:

1.) "old" dialog's default is to now position at the start (the first
text:text-input field) in the document. Instead the dialog should open
positioned to the field with cursor focus and the double-click originates.

2.) the "old" dialog needs a Previous button action to complement the Next
button. In other words logic to allow movement in both directions through
fields of the form--currently it is one way sequential from start of form.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 79877] Option to revert to old Pop-Up edit method for Input Fields

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--- Comment #11 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #10)
> While the old dialog probably needed to go, the "Edit Fields" dialog needs
> rework to supplement the in-place field editing.

I think the old dialog still has its value as you can simply enter the values
without all the clutter the "Edit fields" dialog has.

The old dialog is still there and appears at startup when opening a document
which has fields, e.g. the attachment on this bug.
It can also be accessed via Ctrl-Shift-F9.

I think entering values in a field is used much more often than editing a
field, so maybe changing the double click action to open the old dialog makes
sense. And by now it should be clear that in-field editing is not the best
option for many use cases.

== Suggestion: ==
As you can reach the "Edit Field" dialog via the context menu, we should change
the double click action to open the "old" dialog instead.

Would you be ok with this solution?

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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   See Also||https://bz.apache.org/ooo/s
   ||how_bug.cgi?id=33737,
   ||https://bz.apache.org/ooo/s
   ||how_bug.cgi?id=125108
 OS|Windows (All)   |All

--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---
The in-place field editing is very useful, but as noted the old dialog really
was efficient for sequentially completing a form template, and unfortunately
the current "Edit Fields" dialog does not provide editing of the field values.
You can change the field(s) but not the actual content. Not the best for
completing a form.

While the old dialog probably needed to go, the "Edit Fields" dialog needs
rework to supplement the in-place field editing.

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--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 108522 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #8 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Ok...

The new in-line editing of Input Fields feature was apparently inherited/pulled
from Apache Openoffice.

Atila created an issue for this for Apache Openoffice, and the developer there
who was responsible for the new in-line editing feature appears to be
interested ini adding this new feature to allow for dbl-clicking a field to
pop-up the old field editor. He also is interested in adding a new 'Previous'
button to work in conjunction with the 'Next' button, to allow for cycling
through the fields in both directions. I added my comments and thoughts there,
so hopefully this will get fixed there:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125108

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*** Bug 75319 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #7 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Oh, one more thing...

I would be perfectly happy if, instead of an option, a new 'feature' was added
that allowed the user to open the pop-up dialog for a field by simply
dbl-clicking the field.

Maybe this would be much easier than having to deal with the code required to
add an option that could be enabled/disabled?

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--- Comment #3 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com ---
Can you confirm that this worked in LibreOffice 4.1.x ? If it is the MS Office
compatible text fields work that was done way back in the 3.x series.
And/or can you attach a simple sample document with idiot-user instructions:
move the cursor to here, type XYZ etc. that has this feature working as you
like it in 4.1.x ?
Thanks.

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--- Comment #4 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Hi Michael,

Thanks very much for taking a look at this!

(In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #3)
 Can you confirm that this worked in LibreOffice 4.1.x?

Yes, this worked perfectly in 4.1.x and all prior versions. We've been using
Libreoffice since its first official release, and Openoffice prior to that,
since version 1.0 was released. I honestly don't remember when 'Input fields'
were introduced or when we started using them, all I know is that we have been
using them for a very long time - I'd have to say at least since about 2003 or
so.

 If it is the MS Office compatible text fields work that
 was done way back in the 3.x series.

This is definitely not that - here is the bug responsible for this new inline
editing of Input Fields (again, introduced in 4.2):

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737

So...

= 4.2 introduced the new 'Inline Editing' method for editing Input Fields, 
which is the way Word has always worked.

= 4.1.x edits existing Input Fields in the same pop-up dialog that,
incidentally, is still used in 4.2+ when populating them the very first time
(it cycles through them all, then the dialog closes), when creating a new
document from one of the templates.

I understand the desire that people have for doing it this way, and in fact, I
have come around to not hating it, but I still prefer the old way, hence this
bug/enhancement request.

 And/or can you attach a simple sample document with idiot-user instructions:
 move the cursor to here, type XYZ etc. that has this feature working as
 you like it in 4.1.x ?

Certainly, but it will just be a simple one for demonstration purposes (our
forms mostly have confidential info in them). We have dozens of forms (saved as
templates - ie, .ott) with lots of Input Fields (some with 30 or more) that
were created many years ago, and have never had a problem with them until the
4.2.x series.

Thanks very much again Michael for taking a look at this, even if it is just to
confirm it...

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--- Comment #5 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Created attachment 107260
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Simple Template illustrating the bug

Simple Template illustrating the bug (inability to paste into an Input Field)
and other problems with the new Inline Editing feature

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--- Comment #1 from mchan...@shaw.ca ---
Seconded. The inline method is awkward and obscures the nature what you're
actually doing - as someone who's had to work with the Word implementation for
years now I must say LO's old popup method was vastly preferable.

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--- Comment #2 from mchan...@shaw.ca ---
That said, I really don't want to give the impression that I think the current
situation is anywhere near as bad as it is in Word. Only being able to put text
in the field with no in-field formatting allowed still saves me a world of
headache and I'm still generally able to easily tell where one field ends and
another begins.

I've seen some discussion elsewhere about possibly making double-clicking on an
input field bring up the old popup, but a preference that could be turned on
and off would probably be better for the mouse buttons and fingers of people
who will ordinarily use that method rather than inline.

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