[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also|https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=85215,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=81309,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=81633,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=79441,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=45146,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=85584,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=85614,|
   |https://bugs.freedesktop.or |
   |g/show_bug.cgi?id=86304 |
 Depends on||85215, 81309, 81633, 79441,
   ||45146, 85584, 85614, 86304

--- Comment #18 from Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com ---
Moved the see also list to Depends on to be able to see the dependency tree
view.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com ---
(In reply to tommy27 from comment #17)
 I really think that a 4.2.8 release would be a bless.

We'll do a 4.2.8 release, currently in progress.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com changed:

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 Depends on||81796, 70815, 85405

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com changed:

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 Depends on||61344, 77018

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Bug 85490 depends on bug 81796, which changed state.

Bug 81796 Summary: Formula result not displayed after cells deletion  sorting
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81796

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-12-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com ---
I've spend the past couple of days using 4.2.8 as my primary office suite and
also tested all of the bugs in the meta spreadsheet along with most duplicates
of Bug 81633 . I'm pleased to report that all of the spreadsheets in attachment
110103 that were broken in 4.2.7 are fixed in 4.2.8.  Great work team!

Version: 4.2.8.0.0+
Build ID: 383535196f9924202fc997c388e34a7865a2250e

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from tommy27 ba...@quipo.it ---
thanks for feedback Luke.

I really think that a 4.2.8 release would be a bless.

the 4.2.x branch has been declared End of Life after 4.2.7 but this looks to me
a valid reason to resuscitate it

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com changed:

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is obsolete||

--- Comment #15 from Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 110103
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=110103action=edit
Updated use-cases summary with Calc 4.5 results

@Eike Rathke
With the recent patches you and Kohei have made to the
UpdateReferenceOnSort=FALSE code path, the sorting behavior has nearly returned
100% to the legacy/Excel behavior. 

I went through every duplicate of Bug 81633 on Calc 4.5. They are all sorting
correctly now! The only minor issue I encountered is that some spreadsheets
(like indicator) now require a Ctrl+Shift+F9 after a sort.

This is fabulous. You are a thick skinned saint to bear with all the irate
users. The community owes you and everyone else who donated their time to
resolve this issue, some hugs and a big thanks.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-20 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Eike Rathke er...@redhat.com ---
Status update and explanations for attachment 109652
metabug_fdo85490_v6.ods per sheet:

* Ranking_Columns: fixed with bug 83765

* Bug43004: fixed with bug 83765, was erroneously indicated to be some
  case of bug 43004 but is not.

* Bank_Account: there's nothing wrong with it, with
  UpdateReferenceOnSort=TRUE the references are adjusted to point to the
  same data they did before, which for the classic column shifts
  references around within the same column, and of course in the new
  column the OFFSET() function still calculates the offsets as it is
  told so it differs from the classic column.

* Indicator_2: range references usually can't be adjusted if they are of
  the same direction as the reordering and within data, imagine the
  content of A1:A3 was not {1,2,3} but {4,2,6} instead, where should it
  point to after reordering? Doing it here in this case would be
  a special special case.

* abs / absData: the observed behavior is exactly the difference of
  UpdateReferenceOnSort=TRUE, references that point into the reordered
  range are updated to keep a reference to the same data. If that is not
  wanted then UpdateReferenceOnSort=FALSE must be used. So it is not
  correct to say that the behavior would be wrong in the TRUE case. This
  is why the option was implemented.

* Average: updating in the case of UpdateReferenceOnSort=FALSE is a bug,
  references within the reordered range that are pointing to ranges
  within the reordered range of the same reordering direction must be
  kept relative to the reordered data. This is fixed in master, 4.3.4,
  4-3 (to-be 4.3.5) and does not yet occur in 4.2.7, but did occur in
  4-2 (to-be 4.2.8 if released at all). Cherry-picking another commit
  from bug 85215 resolved that.

* RefInside: same reason as on the Average sheet, fixed with the commits
  for bug 85215.

* Indicator: I didn't wrap my head around that one yet.. but it appears
  to me that the expectations are wrong.

* Stock_Management: a case of why UpdateReferenceOnSort=TRUE was
  invented. It is misleading to title the other cases as wrong. If
  a reference updated is wanted for UpdateReferenceOnSort=FALSE then
  absolute references must be used, i.e. =C$3+C$4, this is the same in
  all major spreadsheet implementations.

* Bug62490: same as Stock_Management, use absolute references, as
  a workaround if already relateive references are used then use
  UpdateReferenceOnSort=TRUE.

* Ubuntu: apparently Ubuntu for 4.2.7 applied a patch of 4-2 that needs
  two other patches to follow-up, namely the ones already mentioned
  above for bug 85215 that also went into 4-2

* Users: so we're fine here? GREAT!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com changed:

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is obsolete||

--- Comment #13 from Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 109652
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=109652action=edit
Updated use-cases summary

I updated the summary with 3 more problematic use cases. If we could fix the
first 3, so that they sorted correctly with UpdateReferenceOnSort=TRUE, the
sorting behavior would closely match the industry standard/previous behavior.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 109016
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=109016action=edit
summary of Calc behaviors when sorting range of cells with references

Updated Summary to include results of Excel and OpenOffice. In every case:
Excel = OpenOffice Calc 4.2 = LO Calc 4.2.6

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from m.a.riosv mari...@miguelangel.mobi ---
*** Bug 85968 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-11-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #10 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
Created attachment 108990
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108990action=edit
summary of Calc behaviors when sorting range of cells with references

In this spreadsheet I tried to summarize the use-cases I have found.

Please, test yourself.

Best regards. JBF

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
(In reply to Joey Reid from comment #3)
 Created attachment 108491 [details]
 Use-Case 2 save as XLS to show it should always be moved on sort
 
 It should be noted in your presentation that Use-Case: Sorting students by
 their scores uses absolute references. 

I do not see any absolute reference in attachment 100144 from bug 79441.

 By including this use case that is bugged in 4.2+, you are confusing the 
 issue.

This issue is a metabug intended to summarize all use-cases for sorting with
references and to show what does work and what does not. Why excluding a
particular use-case ?

Best regards. JBF

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #7 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
Bug 85215 : last commits for this bug restored the legacy behavior (when
UpdateReferenceOnsort = false). See
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85215#c14

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from Joey Reid joeyisdama...@gmail.com ---
This issue is a metabug intended to summarize all use-cases for sorting with 
references and to show what does work and what does not. 

Jean-Baptiste Faure,
There is no valid use case for this adjusting relative references in a sort.
That’s what absolute references are for. The whole issue arose from a
spreadsheet neophytes who do not understand the fundamentals spreadsheet
design. In Bug 45146  a developer, Eike,  said,

“A relative in-sheet reference is supposed to point to a cell relative to the
formula cell containing the reference and hence changes the value if the
formula cell is moved during sort. If the reference shall stick to the same
cell then an absolute reference must be used. This behavior is identical to how
Excel treats it.”

Instead of listening to his wisdom and telling the users to fix their broken
spreadsheets with absolute references, we bowed to their ridiculous demands,
creating this nightmare situation where Calc is incompatible with all other
spreadsheet. We should treat this as a learning opportunity and revert changes
to prevent any more casualties of this poorly thought out feature.

This is a serious issue. Look at all the dupes of Bug 81633 to get an idea of
the damage this is doing to Calc's reputation as being a professional quality
product.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org changed:

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   See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
Filled bug 85584 to propose that option UpdateReferencesOnSort be set to false
by default.

Best regards. JBF

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Joey Reid joeyisdama...@gmail.com ---
Sorry if I was not clear. By the definition of absolute reference and by every
spreadsheet's implementation, formulas with absolute references should always
be adjusted when sorting.  The fact that it's not sorting correctly with newer
versions of Calc is unrelated to the issue of how the sorting of formulas with
relative references should be handled.

In the case of relative references, they should not be adjusted with the sort.
The only time I have ever seen a spreadsheet with the option to adjust
formulas, is with Gnumeric. And in that case, it is a sort option (not a system
setting) and it is disabled by default.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Luke lukebe...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 108546
  -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108546action=edit
Updated use-cases summary with Excel results

I updated the presentation to include the results of how Excel sorts these use
cases. 

Case 1 bank: Good
Case 2 students: Good 
Case 3 synthetic: FAIL
Case 4 hardware: Good

To resolve this issue, Cases 1, 2 and 4 should all sort properly with the
default Calc settings.

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--- Comment #2 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
Created attachment 108474
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new version of use-cases summary with numbers of main bug reports

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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tommy27 ba...@quipo.it changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85490

--- Comment #3 from Joey Reid joeyisdama...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 108491
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Use-Case 2 save as XLS to show it should always be moved on sort

It should be noted in your presentation that Use-Case: Sorting students by
their scores uses absolute references. Therefore, its references should ALWAYS
be moved on a sort, irrespective of any settings. 

Steps to Verify:
1. Open testRefInterne.xls in MS Excel and Sort by Average
2. Open testRefInterne.xls in Lo 4.1 or earlier and Sort by Average
3. Open testRefInterne.xls in Apache OpenOffice and Sort by Average
4. Open testRefInterne.xls in Gnumeric  and Sort by Average
5. Open testRefInterne.xls in KSpread  and Sort by Average
6. Open testRefInterne.xls in WPS Office and Sort by Average
7. Open testRefInterne.xls in IBM Lotus Symphony and Sort by Average
8. Compare sorted tables

Results:
All spreadsheets adjust the references.

Note this is the only case where references should be automatically adjusted.
When you perform the same steps with the other use cases that contain relative
references, they are not and adjusted automatically by other spreadsheets.

By including this use case that is bugged in 4.2+, you are confusing the issue.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85490

--- Comment #1 from Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org ---
Created attachment 108469
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use-case for sorting issues

First draft for use-cases.

Best regards. JBF

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85490

Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85490

Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=85215,
   ||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=81309,
   ||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=81633

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 85490] [METABUG] Use-Cases for sorting with references

2014-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85490

Jean-Baptiste Faure jbfa...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=79441,
   ||https://bugs.freedesktop.or
   ||g/show_bug.cgi?id=45146

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