[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
It's quite confusing to read through an old ticket (btw, LibO behavior of
font/highlight color is the same as with MS Word) with new issues (differences
between Writer and Calc; wherever it should be). So the best is to close this
ticket- and to create new in case it's needed.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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Regina Henschel  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Regina Henschel  ---
Writer has two kind of icons. One of them gives the bucket and the other
doesn't. The bucket version is shown as default.
Please look in the customize dialog. The bucket version has the command
.uno:FontColor; the one without bucket has the command .uno:Color.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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--- Comment #11 from Telesto  ---
The font color selector in Writer doesn't behave the same way as in Calc or
Impress (or Word, Google Docs, Wordpad for that matter). 
I'm not able to click the font color icon, so I can type in that color next.
Instead I get a mouse pointer with a bucked, to change already typed text.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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--- Comment #10 from Telesto  ---
*** Bug 105293 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85184
[Bug 85184] [META] Color picker toolbar and sidebar drop-down widget bugs and
enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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--- Comment #9 from Telesto  ---
*** Bug 105334 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
* Direct click: Modify the current selection or start highlighting
* Split click: Change the style for next input
* Move position: Use actual style
(However, the controls do not convey any cue to what happens. Especially when
you switch the position it's not changed accordingly. I'd tread this as bug
although I guess it is implemented on purpose just to have another option like
highlight.)
* Style: Applies the color to all text except the individually formatted

Yes, it is over-complicated. But we do not need to copycat alternative
programs. I'd rather think about making it clear to the user what is happening
and to standardize the workflow. For instance, the awesome highlighting feature
of clone formatting outperforms most competitors. Why don't start color
cloning as well on double click? And having a clear feedback in the buttons
in respect to the current selection should support users understanding too.

On the other hand we need to design and develop for the user. So if she doesn't
like the way LO works we need to adopt other workflows. It makes sense to
confirm any suggestion by Bryant, or rather his friends.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
I guess i'd have to agree with Bryant here as i would expect the same behaviour
when i click on the main button as when i click the drop down to select another
color.

The font color button isnt a highlight type function, so why should it act like
that if i click the main button, but act differently when i select a color from
the drop down. So if i start typing some text and then select the drop down to
change the font color blue, then go back to another section which has a
different font color and want start typing in blue there, i cant click on the
main button, i have to open the drop down and select blue again.

@Heiko: What are your thoughts?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
So just my two cents - I tend to agree with VSF here. Yes we're different, but
so be it. Different tools have these kinds of differences and users can get
used to it (or not). 

That being said, of course this is left for UX to decide but I'm not a fan of
changing the behavior at all. I like it how it is (I use it all the time) and
would find it counter-intuitive to change the behavior (even if MSO does it
another way)

Again just my two cents

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 88989] Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color and background color seem unintuitive

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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  Component|UI  |ux-advise
 Resolution|INVALID |---
Summary|Method for affecting text   |Color picker actions of
   |or background color is  |toolbar buttons font color
   |unintuitive |and background color seem
   ||unintuitive
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu ---
@Bryant,

Easy, to continue to discuss. Setting it back to NEW, but bouncing to my
colleagues on ux-advise.

I've adjusted the summary Color picker actions of toolbar buttons font color
and background color seem unintuitive

But if you would, please clean up your discussion regards Font Color
split-button being inconsistent. Lay out the argument point by point--attach a
panel'd mock-up of how you think it should behave...

Stuart

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V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

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