[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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--- Comment #12 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 97593 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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--- Comment #11 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5)
> Unclear from the mockup. Are you suggesting eliminating the current toolbar
> and merging its button widgets into the "Slide Pane"? 
> 
> Or are you suggesting to retain the "Presentation" toolbar, and somehow
> "attach" it to the bottom of the Slide pane?

Yes the intent is to hide the current toolbars (one for normal mode and one for
master mode) and merge the buttons into the slide pane.

> But, merging the toolbar button widgets into the Slide Pane would be more
> complex--would loose toolbar functionality, and would have impact on Draw
> which uses the same code for its Page Pane. In Draw, there is no Toolbar mix
> comparable to "Presentation".

Yes its is a complex feature to introduce but it wouldnt negatively impact
draw, as draw also has most of the same functions (add, duplicate, delete
page).

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #8)
> The button action can of course be added anywhere--toolbar or .UI widget.
> Issue I have with doing it with widget is because the buttons get a  fixed
> size the Slides or Pages preview/sorter panes will have to expand to
> accommodate however many are pinned into the .ui layout. We've had that
> issue over on the Sidebar deck content panels.

Nothing to worry about there, as the 4 buttons can easily fit within the
default allocated space, and for draw, there would only be 3 buttons.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Richard Prins from comment #9)

>... Why does
> using space in the bottom of the slides sidebar reduce space in the main
> editing window? The sidebar would have the same width right?

As in comment 8
... the Slides or Pages preview/sorter panes will have to expand to accommodate
however many are pinned into the .ui layout.

No the Slides/Pages pane, canvas and Sidebar consume the space across the UI.
As you adjust one you impact the others. Content of the Slides/Pages pane
responds to available width. 

You can see the effect when you grab the right edge of the Slides/Pages pane
and drag it larger or smaller. The preview of each slide/page will enlarge or
shrink to fit the width.  

If as suggested, .UI button widgets are inserted into the pane(s), the icons
used would not resize--so the width would either have to be limited (it now is
not), or the buttons will have to hide as width of pane(s) shrink.  Depending
on how many buttons are added, the default width of the pane(s) and previews
will need to increase---reducing space available on the Presentation or Drawing
canvas.

Not a problem at 1920x1080 but folks still at 4:3 1024x768 will not be happy.
But, since our minimum "supported" size has been moving toward 1366x768, impact
would likely be acceptable in general.

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--- Comment #9 from Richard Prins  ---
Created attachment 119067
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=119067=edit
New slides page docked right underneath slides sidebar

Fair enough, the new slides page could be docked right underneath the sidebar. 
As you see in the image, this kind of clutters the lower toolbar though. A
floating new slides toolbar wouldn't be very user friendly imho. Why does using
space in the bottom of the slides sidebar reduce space in the main editing
window? The sidebar would have the same width right?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Jay, a bit of a stretch to resurrect bug 94475 as a duplicate of this.

Unclear from the mockup. Are you suggesting eliminating the current toolbar and
merging its button widgets into the "Slide Pane"? 

Or are you suggesting to retain the "Presentation" toolbar, and somehow
"attach" it to the bottom of the Slide pane?

The latter is easily done now by dragging the "Presentation" toolbar to a new
location. I guess setting it anchor there by default would be pretty simple.
With advantage that it retains the toolbar structure for customization as
preferred.

But, merging the toolbar button widgets into the Slide Pane would be more
complex--would loose toolbar functionality, and would have impact on Draw which
uses the same code for its Page Pane. In Draw, there is no Toolbar mix
comparable to "Presentation".

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--- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5)

And of course same issues with changing Slide Pane widgets vs. toolbar
attachment when in Master Slide mode and manipulating the "Master View"
toolbar.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 89668] SLIDE PANE: Move slide manipulation buttons to the bottom of the pane

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--- Comment #3 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
*** Bug 94475 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Well, maybe.  As actually the Insert Slide/Page .uno command is available from
the Insert toolbar, or as noted, is available from the Pages Pane context menu
as "New page".

The button action can of course be added anywhere--toolbar or .UI widget. Issue
I have with doing it with widget is because the buttons get a  fixed size the
Slides or Pages preview/sorter panes will have to expand to accommodate however
many are pinned into the .ui layout. We've had that issue over on the Sidebar
deck content panels.

In Draw we already rotated the "Drawing" toolbar vertical and attached left.
Expanding the Pages preview/sorter will start to impact available space on the
drawing canvas.

Kept to a toolbar the buttons don't interfere with the Slides/Pages pane in any
fashion. And toolbar can be docked lower left under the Slides/Pages pane--and
allowed to float if undocked.  When we insert it into the .UI we loose some
flexibility.

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--- Comment #4 from Richard Prins  ---
Excellent idea, I think it is confusing for users that the create new buttons
are so far from the slides sidebar. This is one of those 'papercuts' that turns
new users off.

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--- Comment #7 from Richard Prins  ---
@ V Stuart
Draw currently lacks a new page button (the only option is to right click), so
this idea could also be beneficial there.

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--- Comment #2 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Just incase it isnt clear, the master slide management buttons would replace
these regular slide manage buttons from the mockup when a user goes into slide
master view.

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