[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 91441] Implementing a 'Welcome' dialog on first launch (creation of new user profile)

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
This RFE is a duplicate of bug 81540 and others. The welcome dialog was/is
known from OpenOffice and was removed intentionally in favor of the start
center - as kind of welcome, and we don't want to bother users with profile
questions. Therefore I'll resolve this as duplicate and the other as WF.

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--- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 132357 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 91441] Implementing a 'Welcome' dialog on first launch (creation of new user profile)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 91441] Implementing a 'Welcome' dialog on first launch ( creation of new user profile)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 91441] Implementing a 'Welcome' dialog on first launch ( creation of new user profile)

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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #12)
> saw this the first time i launched freeoffice.

I would think of something more modern, graphical too.
Explanation, links to FAQ, donation, ask.x, goals of the project

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--- Comment #12 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Created attachment 136972
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136972=edit
freeoffice initial launch dialog

saw this the first time i launched freeoffice.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 91441] Implementing a 'Welcome' dialog on first launch ( creation of new user profile)

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Summary|Implementing a 'Welcome'|Implementing a 'Welcome'
   |dialog  |dialog on first launch
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[Bug 112468] [META] Option dialog's User Data settings bugs and enhancements
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[Bug 102019] [META] Dialog bugs and enhancements
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   Keywords|needsUXEval |needsDevEval, topicUI

--- Comment #11 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Another setting worth including in the dialog is which toolbar mode (bug
101249) a user wants to use.

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--- Comment #9 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Possible additional settings to include in the dialog are icon theme, UI layout
(bug 101249), and various user submission data (crash reports, usage/metrics
data, hardware data) that are checkboxes in the options dialog.

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--- Comment #8 from Maxim Monastirsky momonas...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #7)
 Yes ideally it should be pulled from the OS but even that data isnt always
 correct, because users dont always put their real or complete name into the
 OS's user account. But when it comes to creating documents and those
 documents having their real name visible in it (e.g. in a comment), users
 are more likely to put it in, which is why even MSO shows a dialog on first
 run asking for it.
OK, makes sense.

 I'm assuming it still exists in git if it had to be resurrected as it used
 to be
My point was that you can't just git revert it, as it will require fair
amount of work to adapt to the current code base. And given that we're not
going to use it as-is anyway, I think that trying to resurrect it is simply a
waste of time.

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--- Comment #7 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Maxim Monastirsky from comment #6)
 (In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #0)
  The dialog will allow a user to fill in their 'user data'
 Ideally we should get the user data from the OS. We already doing it on
 Linux, and should do the same on other platforms (if possible).

Yes ideally it should be pulled from the OS but even that data isnt always
correct, because users dont always put their real or complete name into the
OS's user account. But when it comes to creating documents and those documents
having their real name visible in it (e.g. in a comment), users are more likely
to put it in, which is why even MSO shows a dialog on first run asking for it.

Also LO's pulling the name from the OS and parsing it based on a space
character doesnt take into account when user's have two first names and a space
between it. Also it leaves the initials field blank.

 (In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #5)
  My suggesting to use the existing welcome dialog
 It doesn't exist anymore. Was killed by kendy back in 2010.

I'm assuming it still exists in git if it had to be resurrected as it used to
be, but as previously stated, it could be done with a completely new dialog and
include features like bug 69042.

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Maxim Monastirsky momonas...@gmail.com changed:

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69
   ||042

--- Comment #6 from Maxim Monastirsky momonas...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #0)
 The dialog will allow a user to fill in their 'user data'
Ideally we should get the user data from the OS. We already doing it on Linux,
and should do the same on other platforms (if possible).

(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #5)
 My suggesting to use the existing welcome dialog
It doesn't exist anymore. Was killed by kendy back in 2010.

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 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
I wouldn't condemn the wizard pattern in general. And probably Jay's idea was
to offer access to generic information like how to contribute or to reset the
configuration. If so why don't we integrate that into the about box? If it's
about the welcome thing I'd also rather refrain from the implementation.

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--- Comment #5 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #2)
 I don’t see the point of reviving obsolete user interface paradigms. Wizards
 in general are clumsy and in-your-face.

My suggesting to use the existing welcome dialog, doesnt mean that it has to be
used as is, but we can customize it to our needs.

 And I disagree that we need to shove
 down users’ throats the perception that we are a software project in need of
 contributors

So showing a one-time notice that a user can contribute in various ways to
libreoffice is somehow shoving it down their throats. If this notice would
appear everytime a user opened libreoffice, then i'd agree that would likely be
considered shoving it down their throats.

 (I don’t mean we aren’t in need, but why users, especially
 enterprise users, should care about that?)

All types of users can contribute in different ways, so telling a user who
downloaded LO from download.com or got it with his ubuntu installation that he
could donate to LO or that if LO crashes he can file a bug/enhancement report
as means of supporting LO isnt a bad thing. With enterprise users, their IT
admin could easily disable the appearance of the dialog if they so choose.

When you run MSO 2010 for the first time, it asks you to enter in your full
name and initials [1]. New/casual users, e.g. Benjamin, would have no idea of
the importance to set these options unless they were prompted to set it, and
without this prompt, all the documents they created would be created with blank
user information. The user would likely notice this problem in libreoffice when
they insert a comment or record track changes, as it would be assigned to
'Unknown Author'. Most users never open the options dialog, and them setting
this information outside of the dialog, is just another reason for them to
never have to open it.

[1] :
http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/vsto/WindowsLiveWriter/TestAutomationTipsUserNamedialogafternew_ABB4/clip_image002_2.jpg

The dialog would also provide a notice about collection of 'usage data' for use
with the user metrics TDF tender [2], whenever it is finalized, because very
little data would be collected if users could only opt-in to it from the
options dialog.

[2] :
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/02/24/tender-to-develop-and-incorporate-usability-metrics-collection-for-libreoffice-201502-02/

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Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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  Component|LibreOffice |ux-advise
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Setting NEW as its an enhancement.

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