[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 92902] Enhancement Request: Auto-Layout for flowcharts and automatic flowcharts from Calc / Excel

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 92902] Enhancement Request: Auto-Layout for flowcharts and automatic flowcharts from Calc / Excel

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 92902] Enhancement Request: Auto-Layout for flowcharts and automatic flowcharts from Calc / Excel

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 92902] Enhancement Request: Auto-Layout for flowcharts and automatic flowcharts from Calc / Excel

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Reopening. SmartArt is similar but not the same as suggested here. It is linked
at see also, and I think it makes sense to keep both until we have a good
proposal that not just covers what Visio (or someone else) does.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 92902] Enhancement Request: Auto-Layout for flowcharts and automatic flowcharts from Calc / Excel

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 37932 ***

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--- Comment #10 from mrmister001  ---
Cool. Hire me as documentation specialicist !!! ;-)

Of course you can use this way to create mind maps and everything you want.
I work with theoretical physics many times, so I need to connect theories to
visualize maps.
Visualizing information is absolutely necessary for every flow chart, it has
applications in many areas, programming, organizational tasks, office,
management, academical, etc.
I don't know if have you used Gephi? for Data Visualization. I developed the
idea of the Automation window because it is easy to create everything you
want... and connect it. 
You type, you connect, you type, you connect, as easy as that.
HOWEVER, this idea need a SAVE BUTTON... to save the introduced data... or you
can avoid the save button and the introduced data then is recorded
automatically inside the Draw file.
Also, it would be cool if we add to the automation Window several presets for
an autoalign in the same style as yED. You can vary the way the flowchart
looks, just by selecting other approach to the organization.
In yED you have layout and then a lot of presets, hierarchical... organic...
orthogonal... circular... tree. That is pretty cool. We should have also
templates to organize the way the charts looks in the automation window.

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--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to mrmister001 from comment #5)
> Here is the video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBjTe-N_-I

You should get hired as documentation specialist ;-).

On the first glance: Pretty nice way to enter the data quickly. It makes me
wonder if that workflow couldn't be also used as well for mindmaps and tag
clouds, somehow.
The visual configuration with the shape type or distance should not be part of
the auto creation, IMHO.

(In reply to mrmister001 from comment #7)
> I would love to collaborate with the design team if they allow me to. :D

Of course you are welcome (as everyone else).
http://www.libreoffice.org/community/design/

Regarding this ticket we could run a session and finalize the workflow. It
should cover the automatic generation for block diagrams in general. But then
we get to the bottleneck of developers - it's not an easyhack, I guess.

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to mrmister001 from comment #5)
> Here is the video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBjTe-N_-I

You should get hired as documentation specialist ;-).

On the first glance: Pretty nice way to enter the data quickly. It makes me
wonder if that workflow couldn't be also used as well for mindmaps and tag
clouds, somehow.
The visual configuration with the shape type or distance should not be part of
the auto creation, IMHO.

(In reply to mrmister001 from comment #7)
> I would love to collaborate with the design team if they allow me to. :D

Of course you are welcome (as everyone else).
http://www.libreoffice.org/community/design/

Regarding this ticket we could run a session and finalize the workflow. It
should cover the automatic generation for block diagrams in general. But then
we get to the bottleneck of developers - it's not an easyhack, I guess.

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--- Comment #7 from mrmister001  ---
Thanks a lot Bastian, I suggested the idea in 2013 and did the video... so if
you consider I could help during the design process, please let me know. I
would love to collaborate with the design team if they allow me to. :D

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--- Comment #6 from Bastián Díaz  ---
(In reply to mrmister001 from comment #5)
> Hi Heiko,
> In 2013 I did a video demonstration, and posted it in Youtube. The video is
> hidden, so only people knowing the link can access it.
> 
> Here is the video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBjTe-N_-I

Wow... I knew what the survey to improve Draw, I was looking for this video
because the idea is good. It provides an automated system to create different
types of diagrams easily (as does SmartDraw)

Thank you for showing again.

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--- Comment #5 from mrmister001  ---
Hi Heiko,
In 2013 I did a video demonstration, and posted it in Youtube. The video is
hidden, so only people knowing the link can access it.

Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBjTe-N_-I

Please, share the video with the design team.
In the video I suggest an integrative solution, with a window called
"Automation". The window basically do what you describe, it handles lists,
which are considered tags... and it connect tags.
Also it is able to apply a different formating to the automation process.
This demonstration is even years ahead of yED. It is quite better, because give
you so much control of the diagram, making true automation in seconds.

I guess you are very busy, but please, I would love if you could grab 10
minutes, just to see the half of it, in which the feature is described.
It shows an approach very similar to the one you have in mind, I think.

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
No worries, the design team hasn't started to think about the realization.
Right now I just collect existing tickets, and create new if necessary, to
cover what people request from Draw. And auto layout is on the wish list.

yEd is well known (I used it myself a couple of times). But keep in mind that
others may have a different approach to the task. What we need is an
"integrative solution". How about something like a function "Organize" that
restructures your flat list into the SmartArt tree?

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--- Comment #3 from mrmister001  ---
Hi Heiko,
Thanks for your reply.
However I don't know if you understood the feature very well. You cannot
compare this with templates or Smart Art, because it is not.
To understand how an auntomatic flowchart works you must think in two columns,
from a spreadsheet.
Think in column A and column B.
The idea behind this is that you draw boxes according the data provided in the
column A
And you link this data with the results provided in the column B
If some data from column A (Source) is repeated... and match new data from
column B (Tarfet), then we draw multiple boxes
For example, let's imagine in column A (Source) we have a list of names, and in
the column B (Target) we have a list of departments.

Source Target
John   Sales
Mike   R+D
Peter  Sales
Dana   Accounting
RichardSales
John   Customer Service
Peter  Customer Service

What will happen is due John is related to the Sales and also to the Customer
Service, Draw will create two boxes, one indicating Sales and the other
Customer Service, and both boxes will be connected to John, which will be
represented also in a box.
Mike for example, will be inside a box and will be connected with R+D which
will be also inside a box. Mike won't have more connections because is not
connected more new data.
Peter will experience the same behavior as John, because he works in Sales and
also in the Customer Service, so we will see how draw create a Box for Peter,
and connect this box with two new boxes, one indicating Sales and the other
Customer Service. Peter will be connected to these new boxes, thru lines.
That is the sense behind automatic flowcharting.

THERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM THAT ALREADY DO THIS: YED (FROM YWORKS).
It is made in Jave, and free to download.

I really encourage everyone to understand how YED works and apply the same
philoshopy to Draw.

I remind also that Visio don't have this feature, so basically if this is
implemented inside Draw, it would make Visio bleed deeply.

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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
See also
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Intelligent_groups_.28alias_SmartArt.29

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--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze  ---
This feature was requested a couple of times in the Draw survey [1]. As a
solution it was also suggested to adopt Microsoft's SmartArt [2] (see
comments). The feature could be added to the sidebar, perhaps based on some
generic layout that needs to be finished although [3].

Status: New, Importance: Medium (other features are more pressing)

[1]
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/04/01/the-many-faced-god-part-2-how-libreoffice-draw-is-expected-to-evolve/
[2] https://youtu.be/Y86bhcinaJA
[3] http://user-prompt.com/de/libreoffice-design-session-shapes/

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