[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96299

Cor Nouws  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #14 from Cor Nouws  ---
thanks Thomas.
So the summary could well be: "cross references defaults need improvement"?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96299

--- Comment #13 from Thomas Lendo  ---
I've forgotten "Tables".
I suggest to change the default to "Reference" for Tables too.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Thomas Lendo  changed:

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 CC||thomas.le...@gmail.com
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92
   ||688

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #12 from Thomas Lendo  ---
I strongly support Joel's request. Bug 92688 (When inserting a cross-reference,
remember last used "reference to") is helping when using the dialog often, but
another than "Page" should be the default to help especially new users or users
that are using that dialog rarely.

I suggest to change the default to "Reference" for
* Headings,
* Illustrations and
* Bookmarks.

For Numbered Paragraphs the default should be left to "Page".

For the other entries I don't know the best default.

That's also was users get when using cross references in MS Word 2013:
- Numbered element: Page
- Heading: Heading text (reference)
- Text mark: Text mark content (reference)
- Footnote: Foot note number
- End note: End note number
- Illustration: Whole caption (reference, that's identical to Category and
Number + Caption Text)
- Formula: Whole caption (reference)
- Table: Whole caption (reference)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96299

--- Comment #11 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #10)
> "One" user showed up and asked about changing the default. We agreed that
> the workflow has room for improvements but the messing up with the default
> is not a solution. So let's close this ticket as WF.

Has this been discussed?
I think the requested change indeed makes sense..

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96299

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsDevEval, needsUXEval   |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
"One" user showed up and asked about changing the default. We agreed that the
workflow has room for improvements but the messing up with the default is not a
solution. So let's close this ticket as WF.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-08-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from ad...@shinnok.com ---
Is this still of relevance and could be turned into an easyHack? If so need UX
and DEV eval.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-05-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Dieter Praas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Severity|minor   |enhancement

--- Comment #7 from Dieter Praas  ---
Set to enhancement, because everything works how it should works. But an
improvement is still possible.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2017-05-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Dieter Praas  changed:

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 Blocks||107905


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107905
[Bug 107905] [META] Cross-references bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2016-11-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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dieterp  changed:

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2016-09-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|LibreOffice |Writer

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Robinson Tryon (qubit)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsDevEval
 Whiteboard|needDevEval |

--- Comment #5 from Robinson Tryon (qubit)  ---
Migrating Whiteboard tags to Keywords:(needDevEval -> needsDevEval)
(Harmonize spelling of term)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Francisco  ---
Hi there. As a researcher, I use heavily cross references for tables and figure
captions (much in the "Eve's way" I'd say). As Heiko pointed, the 
cross-reference workflow could be improved. But, I also think that simply
changing the default option from page number into paragraph numbering.
Just a user's opinion :-)
Regards!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Cor Nouws  changed:

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 CC||c...@nouenoff.nl
Version|5.0.3.2 release |Inherited From OOo

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
> The other option maybe is to redesign the dialog so it's more obvious as to
> what is being referred to...

Yes. Not only the cross-reference workflow has room for improvements but also
the complete fields dialog is terrible and needs streamlining. It looks like a
lot of work.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #2 from Joel Madero  ---
The only reason this came up was because a user came into the #libreoffice
channel and for the life of him couldn't figure out what was going wrong as he
saw a reference to "Illustration 6" when he had clearly selected "Illustration
1"

I've only used cross-references a handful of times but I can say hands down
I've never referred to a page (anecdotal I know). 

The other option maybe is to redesign the dialog so it's more obvious as to
what is being referred to. On the right (main part) you see "Illustration 1"
and it's only when you look to the bottom left that you see that Page is being
referred to. When the largest part of the dialog (where the eyes move to) says
"Illustration 1", it seems like you would of course assume the reference will
be to Illustration 1 and not Illustration 6.

Of course if UX as a whole says no, go ahead and close it - I just think that
the current situation leaves a lot to be desired.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Hard to say without user data what type of reference is used most frequently.
Eve may use it for figures, tables etc. like '...see picture [1] at page [2]',
whereas Benjamin wouldn't use this feature at all. Therefore I'd keep it as it
as as long we don't have data to underpin the changes.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 96299] Illustration Cross Reference Defaults to Page - Should Default to Number

2015-12-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Joel Madero  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|medium  |low
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||jmadero@gmail.com
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Whiteboard||needDevEval

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