Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

> No, my idea was to put the above text in the about box, to replace our
> current 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-... string.

Oh, I see! But then it would be easier to use the "pretty printing
date" instead of having 2 strings to compare for each repository. That
would be a nice improvement.

What I was proposing was to replace 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4bb9bd with
41491490-etc-etc
which is a simple numeric value that will continually grow because it
is an age...

One year from now you would be using build 79831260-etc-etc and you
wouldn't have to look twice to know that this build was much newer
than 41491490-etc-etc

Even better, use the string as the actual number of days which is even
easier to visually compare: 414.91490-etc-etc now, 798.31260-etc-etc
in a year, 44534.31260-etc-etc ten years from today at the exact same
second

It's easy to visualize and to explain to anyone the logic.

Kind regards,
Pedro
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Lionel Elie Mamane]

On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 11:40:01PM +, Pedro Lino wrote:

>> Git commit IDs as identifiers have the huge problem that they are not
>> comparable (one cannot say which one is "greater") without referring
>> to the repository. How about we also put the *commit* (not author)
>> timestamp (in UTC) of the top node (commit), and maybe the branch?

>> Something like:

>> Build assembled from:
>>  repo  commit   date               branch
>>  core: 4f11d0a 2011-11-16 21:57:28 master
>>  help: adcf6d5 2011-11-05 14:01:21 master
>>  ...

>> Or instead of pretty-printing the date, just put it as seconds
>> since the epoch:

>>  core: 4f11d0a 1321480648 master
>>  help: adcf6d5 1320501681 master

> That would solve the problem when looking into the log file but not
> when looking at the About box.

No, my idea was to put the above text in the about box, to replace our
current 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-... string.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Can't paste formulas between 3.4.4 and 3.5.0

[Kohei Yoshida]

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Pedro Lino  wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> I was copying cells between two open spreadsheets, one in 3.4.4 final
> and another on LibO-dev 3.5.0 ( a286353-090bcba-3bf3b94) aka
> master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35 from Win-x86@6
>
> When I pasted a cell containing a formula, it got pasted as the
> resulting value. This happens both ways.
>
> I have no problem transferring formulas between sheets of the same
> workbook or even between windows of the same version of LO.
>
> The only obstacle is between windows of different versions of LO.
>
> Can someone confirm this before I post a bug report?

It's a known limitation, and only happens when you copy&paste between
two different instances of libreoffice (or openoffice for that
matter).  In reality this is not a huge concern since most users don't
run two different versions of libreoffice (or openoffice) much less
copy&paste stuff between them.  If you copy&paste using the same
version of libreoffice this won't happen.

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[Libreoffice-qa] Can't paste formulas between 3.4.4 and 3.5.0

[Pedro Lino]

Hi guys

I was copying cells between two open spreadsheets, one in 3.4.4 final
and another on LibO-dev 3.5.0 ( a286353-090bcba-3bf3b94) aka
master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35 from Win-x86@6

When I pasted a cell containing a formula, it got pasted as the
resulting value. This happens both ways.

I have no problem transferring formulas between sheets of the same
workbook or even between windows of the same version of LO.

The only obstacle is between windows of different versions of LO.

Can someone confirm this before I post a bug report?

As usual this is under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3

Thanks!
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Lionel

> Git commit IDs as identifiers have the huge problem that they are not
> comparable (one cannot say which one is "greater") without referring
> to the repository. How about we also put the *commit* (not author)
> timestamp (in UTC) of the top node (commit), and maybe the branch?

That would help!

> Something like:
>
> Build assembled from:
>  repo  commit   date               branch
>  core: 4f11d0a 2011-11-16 21:57:28 master
>  help: adcf6d5 2011-11-05 14:01:21 master
>  ...
>
> Or instead of pretty-printing the date, just put it as seconds
> since the epoch:
>
>  core: 4f11d0a 1321480648 master
>  help: adcf6d5 1320501681 master

That would solve the problem when looking into the log file but not
when looking at the About box.

Picking up your (excellent) idea of using the date and converting to a
linear value: if each repository was given a Birth Date and time since
that date converted to a linear value (age), using the Date function
you could get a 10 digit value able to separate builds with one second
time difference.

E.g. If the Core repository was created at midnight Sept 28th 2010
(TDF's birthday) or in linear time (times 10 to eliminate the
point) 404490, then the 4f11d0a 2011-11-16 21:57:28 master

age would be 41491490. This seems like a nice easy number to compare.
In fact a build using code from one second later would be 41491491.

All this takes is attributing an arbitrary birth date for each
repository and very simple calculations.

Please do consider this!

Thank you again, Lionel!
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Lionel Elie Mamane]

On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 01:06:18PM +0100, Andras Timar wrote:
> 2011/12/3 Pedro Lino :

>> Another situation: I download a master build from a tinderbox. How do
>> I know the build included? How do I know if the source it was
>> generated from is newer or older than the one I already have? Easy.
>> Just install, open the About box and check if 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4bb9bd
>> is greater or smaller than 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4b29bd (just an example)

> You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit
> for example 
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=4f11d0a
> Those magic numbers in About box are git commit IDs.

Git commit IDs as identifiers have the huge problem that they are not
comparable (one cannot say which one is "greater") without referring
to the repository. How about we also put the *commit* (not author)
timestamp (in UTC) of the top node (commit), and maybe the branch?

Something like:

Build assembled from:
 repo  commit   date   branch
 core: 4f11d0a 2011-11-16 21:57:28 master
 help: adcf6d5 2011-11-05 14:01:21 master
 ...

Or instead of pretty-printing the date, just put it as seconds
since the epoch:

 core: 4f11d0a 1321480648 master
 help: adcf6d5 1320501681 master
 ...

Here's code to get that information:

echo $(git log -1 --format=%h) $(date --utc +'%Y-%m-%d %k:%M:%S' -d @$(git log 
-1 --format=%ct)) $(basename $(git symbolic-ref HEAD))

echo $(git log -1 --format='%h %ct') $(basename $(git symbolic-ref HEAD))

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[Libreoffice-qa] Problems Using existing User Profile after upgrade to 3.5

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

currently I have much trouble using existing user profiles with Master 
or 3.5.0 Beta. The trouble vanishes when I switch to a blank new user 
profile for.


I believe that might cause heavy trouble when users update from 3.4 8or 
3.3), but on the other hand my suspect might be complete nonsense 
because a correct 3.5 installation will adapt User Profile to avoie trouble?


Please help to collect all Bugs that might be related to existing User 
Profile in
"[Bug 43489] New: [Task] Incorrect behavior using existing User Profile 
for upgrade"


to prove or falsify that suspect.

Discussion in , please!

Kind regards

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Italo Vignoli]

On 12/3/11 6:27 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

> Will be something that marketing is going to praise us for, isn't it?

If the change of code name is not a problem, it would make thing easier
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Cor Nouws]

Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:49)


Well - we've fixed a number of the most obvious packaging bugs,
parallel installability etc. etc. in master - so (without further new
problems - of which we expect some up to the freeze) Beta1 will be
rather better.


It's more realistic to expect that beta1 will suffer from some alikre 
issues.

See my other mail about naming...


Thanks for testing ! and sorry if it caused some grief.


AFAIAC, no need to say sorry for that. It's part of our work that we 
carry that happily, isn't it, Rainer ;-)


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Cor Nouws]

Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:50)


Yes ! we have not branched yet; master will branch at the
feature-freeze before B1 so we have:

master  Beta0 ---\--- crazy stuff ...
   \
\- Beta1 --- stabilisation - Beta2

etc. :-


Correct. While explaining the whole event to someone else, suddenly it 
became clear to me it might be much clearer when we have another naming 
scheme:


master - Alpha1 ---\--- crazy stuff ...
\
 \- Alpha2 --- stabilisation - Beta1

The great advantage of this is, that people having some expectation on 
what a beta1 is, will not be disappointed.
Also, the whole schedule will not change, only the naming will be 
conform what people get offered.

Will be something that marketing is going to praise us for, isn't it?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Cor Nouws]

Pedro Lino wrote (03-12-11 11:23)

I hope that _at least_ they make DAMN sure that Beta1 doesn't
overwrite the stable build...


To be honest: I have no idea. I just install zillions (well, little less 
;-) ) without system integration.

But your question is relevant indeed.

Anyone else?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

> No need to know. It is just a random (or not so random) sequence of
> hex digits. If nothing documents it to have some significance, don't
> assume it to have any significance.

Thank you for the clarification. It does have some significance.

>> Anyway, even if this was a combination of the GIT IDs it would still
>> be useless as an identification
>
> Well, is it claimed anywhere to be useful as an identification?

I (wrongly) assumed it was meant for identification. In fact if the
same build generates the same sequence then they are synonyms and can
be used for some sort of identification (as I just explained in a
previous email).

I realize from your answer that the code was generated simply to make
the folder name unique.

But this is irrelevant since the installer folder will no longer be created.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Tor Lillqvist]

> I thought Andras was referring to the single 8 letter/number code
> added to the Windows install folder name.
> Where does that come from?

No need to know. It is just a random (or not so random) sequence of
hex digits. If nothing documents it to have some significance, don't
assume it to have any significance.

> Anyway, even if this was a combination of the GIT IDs it would still
> be useless as an identification

Well, is it claimed anywhere to be useful as an identification?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insert -> fields -> others dialog : button close does not work on master

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 03/12/2011 14:28, Pedro Lino a écrit :
>> On my build of the master (Build ID:
>> 2c09f50-43e9388-090bcba-3bf3b94-05891e7 on Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64) the
>> button "Close" in the dialog Insert -> Fields -> Other... (Ctrl+F2) does
>> nothing. Other buttons (Insert and Help) work as expected. The only way
>> to close the dialog is to click the cross button in the title bar of the
>> window.
>>
>> There is another button "Close" in the dialog Insert -> Hyperlink and it
>> works well for me.
>>
>> Do you reproduce ?
> 
> Yes, I can reproduce the bug in build a286353-090bcba-3bf3b94 under
> Win XP Pro x86 SP3.
> This is a regression from version 3.4.4

It is a more recent regression. It works well on a build only few days
old : Build ID: c3dc018-2fcbe65-1f92ab1-3bd0388-ce71330

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Pedro,

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 12:25 +, Pedro Lino wrote:
> Is it reasonable to admit that the all current changes in master will
> be in Beta1? If so, using master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35 from
> Win-x86@6-fast as a replacement for Beta0 is acceptable?

Yes ! we have not branched yet; master will branch at the
feature-freeze before B1 so we have:

master  Beta0 ---\--- crazy stuff ...
  \
   \- Beta1 --- stabilisation - Beta2

etc. :-

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Rainer,

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 08:42 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> it's a disaster, completely unusable ! Quality of Beta0 is far behind 
> quality of Master during the last weeks, it seems that we were not lucky 
> with the time where the tag has been created

Quite quite :-) so Beta1 will be much better. And given the state of
Beta 0 - treating it as the quiet practise run it is (rather than
announcing it widely) seems to be the best policy ...

> Shit happens, now the question is how we will go on. I am afraid we have 
> to go the hare way and to find and fix all bugs, or is there any other 
> possibility to try a new chance?

Well - we've fixed a number of the most obvious packaging bugs,
parallel installability etc. etc. in master - so (without further new
problems - of which we expect some up to the freeze) Beta1 will be
rather better.

Of course it is still -very- early in the schedule:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/3.5

We still have 6 releases over two months in order to fix up the misc.
quality issues to get this right enough for a good point-zero
release :-)

So - beta 1 is due next week; until then perhaps using the master
builds is a good plan (if they're better - they will turn into Beta1
anyway).

Thanks for testing ! and sorry if it caused some grief.

All the best,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Korrawit

> That is, if your 4f11d0a is the first group of IDs in About box, it's
> the core repository's commit ID.

Yes, obviously. Sorry for the confusion.
I thought Andras was referring to the single 8 letter/number code
added to the Windows install folder name.
Where does that come from?

Example:
Build ID: 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4bb9bd
Folder name LibO-dev 3.5 (4ec47f5f) Installation Files

Anyway, even if this was a combination of the GIT IDs it would still
be useless as an identification because different binaries using the
same core would have a different code depending on the repositories
used, right?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Korrawit Pruegsanusak]

Hello Pedro, Andras, *

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 20:16, Pedro Lino  wrote:
> So, 4f11d0a is a global commit ID calculated from the partial 5 git
> commit IDs?

No, it isn't. It's like what you've explained:

> So the About box says a286353-090bcba-3bf3b94
> which I just realized are the 7 first letters of each used repository commit 
> ID
>
> tinderbox: git sha1s
> core:a28635374613e556a0093c242823ea90a3704f74
> dictionaries:090bcbaa55370d7906b0cab08839fe88f4e80215
> help:3bf3b943ff05fda627498426a23f94cd0e0b7aab

That is, if your 4f11d0a is the first group of IDs in About box, it's
the core repository's commit ID.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insert -> fields -> others dialog : button close does not work on master

[Pedro Lino]

> On my build of the master (Build ID:
> 2c09f50-43e9388-090bcba-3bf3b94-05891e7 on Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64) the
> button "Close" in the dialog Insert -> Fields -> Other... (Ctrl+F2) does
> nothing. Other buttons (Insert and Help) work as expected. The only way
> to close the dialog is to click the cross button in the title bar of the
> window.
>
> There is another button "Close" in the dialog Insert -> Hyperlink and it
> works well for me.
>
> Do you reproduce ?

Yes, I can reproduce the bug in build a286353-090bcba-3bf3b94 under
Win XP Pro x86 SP3.
This is a regression from version 3.4.4

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

Hi again Andras

> We have 5 repositories now: core, binfilter, dictionaries, help, and
> translations. Therefore there are 5 git commit IDs in the About box
> separated by dashes. These are good identifiers of the build, at least
> these uniquely identify the source code that the build was made from.
> Of course the outcome of build  process depends on the configure
> switches, too. Maybe we should hack something in like
> about:buildconfig in Firefox.
>
> When you see the full build log of
> master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe, you will see the git commit
> IDs there, but I agree that it is hard to find.

Interesting information about the 5 code blocks. The problem is: if
someone doesn't use the 5 repositories then the build ID only has e.g.
3 blocks like in
master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe where Kendy only used core,
dictionaries and help
So the About box says a286353-090bcba-3bf3b94
which I just realized are the 7 first letters of each used repository commit ID

tinderbox: git sha1s
core:a28635374613e556a0093c242823ea90a3704f74
dictionaries:090bcbaa55370d7906b0cab08839fe88f4e80215
help:3bf3b943ff05fda627498426a23f94cd0e0b7aab

(The above four lines were extracted from
master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_build_info.txt which is a separate
download, not included in the msi file.)

Shouldn't it have all five blocks in the same order and just display #
(or some other character for those not used), as in
a286353-#-090bcba-3bf3b94-# (since it lacks binfilter and
translations)?

So the information is indeed all there, but this is not user friendly at all :)

> No, build numbers do not bump at each commit, they are bumped before
> releases (beta, rc). 4f11d0a is the commit ID that git produces. It is
> not in the source code.

So, 4f11d0a is a global commit ID calculated from the partial 5 git
commit IDs? And obviously this only makes sense when the 5
repositories are used, which is not mandatory for any build...

I think this makes QA work in any master build pointless. QA must then
be restricted to official Betas but then there needs to be more
coordination and time between Beta0 and the public Beta1 (unless TDF
is not worried about the quality and image that a  Public Beta
conveys).

Thank you again for the excellent explanation, Andras ;)

Best regards,
Pedro
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[Libreoffice-qa] Insert -> fields -> others dialog : button close does not work on master

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Hi,

On my build of the master (Build ID:
2c09f50-43e9388-090bcba-3bf3b94-05891e7 on Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64) the
button "Close" in the dialog Insert -> Fields -> Other... (Ctrl+F2) does
nothing. Other buttons (Insert and Help) work as expected. The only way
to close the dialog is to click the cross button in the title bar of the
window.

There is another button "Close" in the dialog Insert -> Hyperlink and it
works well for me.

Do you reproduce ?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] prob with dailybuild on Linux x86 ?

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 30/11/2011 20:59, Cor Nouws a écrit :
> Hi Petr,
> 
> Petr Mladek wrote (25-11-11 18:07)
>>
>> It should get fixed by
>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=1221e6a9e44f080b8e5fc5d3fdf3a708b6e382ab
>>
>>
>> The wrong libobasis-dev3.5-core01 was not empty. It included the Latvian
>> Dictionary. There was a typo that caused that the dictionary was not
>> associated with the Latvian langpack and was put into the default core01
>> module. It started to work here with the above fix ;-)
> 
> 
> Super: I can install
> master~2011-11-27_23.13.36_LibO-Dev_OOO350m1_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
> + the langpack just in the 'old fashioned parallel' way.
> All runs fine.

Yesterday, I installed same version + FR langpack + FR helppack on a x86
PC without problem. All runs fine too for me.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro

2011/12/3 Pedro Lino :
> Hi Andras
>
> Thank you for your quick and enlightening reply!
>
>> LibreOffice 3.5 will not unpack anything to desktop. But we can't
>> change the past... :)
>
> Fair enough :)
>
>> You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit
>> for example 
>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=4f11d0a
>> Those magic numbers in About box are git commit IDs.
>
> Aha! I knew they meant something :) But that was the first block of
> characters from the About box. How do I know if that version is the
> same as e.g. master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe???
>

We have 5 repositories now: core, binfilter, dictionaries, help, and
translations. Therefore there are 5 git commit IDs in the About box
separated by dashes. These are good identifiers of the build, at least
these uniquely identify the source code that the build was made from.
Of course the outcome of build  process depends on the configure
switches, too. Maybe we should hack something in like
about:buildconfig in Firefox.

When you see the full build log of
master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe, you will see the git commit
IDs there, but I agree that it is hard to find.

>> It is not possible to bump a build number each time a build is
>> produced, because many people produce builds, not only one central
>> build server.
>
> Yes. That makes sense. But build or sub-build is bumped each there is
> a new commit, right? Can't this simply be a 7 digit number instead of
> 4f11d0a? Or increase the digit number to 10. Or parse it as blocks of
> 5 digits... Anything that a human brain can understand...
>
> And keep that same code in the build name, the about box, etc
>
> Please?

No, build numbers do not bump at each commit, they are bumped before
releases (beta, rc). 4f11d0a is the commit ID that git produces. It is
not in the source code.

Best regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Pedro Lino]

> I think the latest Master builds before Beta has been splitted were
> in an acceptable shape for a Beta.

I have just uninstalled Beta0 because I need my 3.4.4 functional. Not
only because I actually use it to WORK but I also need some comparison
to check for regressions...

Is it reasonable to admit that the all current changes in master will
be in Beta1? If so, using master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35 from
Win-x86@6-fast as a replacement for Beta0 is acceptable?

> Currently we have
>
> 43454 Break-off with message "Terminate Quick Starter"
> 43455 Installer partly localized
> 43461 LibO 3.5.0 Beta0 doesn't install in my Windows 2008 R2 64 bits
> 43462 findAll doesn't work
> 43485 FILESAVE: brings up unexpected "file has been changed" message
> With Version Beta0, 43461, 43462, have not been checked concerning "real
> Version",
>
> 43383 FILEOPEN: via Hyperlink from document does not work
>  also is "somehow" beta related.

I can't test x64 or any problems specific to Windows versions newer
than XP Pro SP3.

Interestingly while unpacking the master build using msiexec /a I got
the unopkg.bin error and then again during installation itself. I will
add this information to the bug report.

Cheers,
Pedro
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

Hi Andras

Thank you for your quick and enlightening reply!

> LibreOffice 3.5 will not unpack anything to desktop. But we can't
> change the past... :)

Fair enough :)

> You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit
> for example 
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=4f11d0a
> Those magic numbers in About box are git commit IDs.

Aha! I knew they meant something :) But that was the first block of
characters from the About box. How do I know if that version is the
same as e.g. master~2011-12-02_22.36.35_libodev35.exe???

> It is not possible to bump a build number each time a build is
> produced, because many people produce builds, not only one central
> build server.

Yes. That makes sense. But build or sub-build is bumped each there is
a new commit, right? Can't this simply be a 7 digit number instead of
4f11d0a? Or increase the digit number to 10. Or parse it as blocks of
5 digits... Anything that a human brain can understand...

And keep that same code in the build name, the about box, etc

Please?
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

[Andras Timar]

Hi Pedro,

2011/12/3 Pedro Lino :
> Hi all
>
> This is my final request about this subject.
>
> Can you please make some sense out of the version naming convention?
>
> I was about to reinstall version 3.4.4 (after it was overwritten by
> 3.5.0 Beta0) and I already had an unpacked install folder on my
> desktop. The only way I could verify that it was for 3.4.4 final, was
> to run the installer and check what would be the name of the generated
> folder. Since it had the same code (4eb10e5c) it was the same
> version...
>

LibreOffice 3.5 will not unpack anything to desktop. But we can't
change the past... :)

> Another situation: I download a master build from a tinderbox. How do
> I know the build included? How do I know if the source it was
> generated from is newer or older than the one I already have? Easy.
> Just install, open the About box and check if 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4bb9bd
> is greater or smaller than 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4b29bd (just an example)

You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit
for example http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=4f11d0a
Those magic numbers in About box are git commit IDs.

>
> If the latest final version was named 3.4.4 and build was 402 couldn't
> it simple be named 3.3.4.402?
>
> And this new version can't it be simply named 3.5.0.xxx???
>
> And keep this code constant in the installer, the about box, the
> master builds, etc?
>

It is not possible to bump a build number each time a build is
produced, because many people produce builds, not only one central
build server.
Released betas and RCs of course come from a single source (i.e. TDF)
so you will see their version form their file names.

Best regards,
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[Libreoffice-qa] Naming builds. Please???

[Pedro Lino]

Hi all

This is my final request about this subject.

Can you please make some sense out of the version naming convention?

I was about to reinstall version 3.4.4 (after it was overwritten by
3.5.0 Beta0) and I already had an unpacked install folder on my
desktop. The only way I could verify that it was for 3.4.4 final, was
to run the installer and check what would be the name of the generated
folder. Since it had the same code (4eb10e5c) it was the same
version...

Another situation: I download a master build from a tinderbox. How do
I know the build included? How do I know if the source it was
generated from is newer or older than the one I already have? Easy.
Just install, open the About box and check if 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4bb9bd
is greater or smaller than 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-c4b29bd (just an example)

If the latest final version was named 3.4.4 and build was 402 couldn't
it simple be named 3.3.4.402?

And this new version can't it be simply named 3.5.0.xxx???

And keep this code constant in the installer, the about box, the
master builds, etc?

I think this is not an unreasonable request... Maybe the codes you use
are perfect for developers, but this is a community and not all users
(namely those in QA, l10n, etc, let alone common users) are version
experts.

Here is a proper bug request about this
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43031

Please help us to contribute to this project.

Regards,
Pedro
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Pedro Lino schrieb:


So what do we (QA) do now? Is there some protocol? Are there tasks to
split? By how many?



Hi,

we should see how many and severe bugs really are "Beta only", that 
means to correct Version if the bug is from a more early version. If we 
are lucky only few bugs will remain that can be fixed to get a really 
test suitable Beta1. I think the latest Master builds before Beta has 
been splitted were in an acceptable shape for a Beta.


Currently we have

43454 Break-off with message "Terminate Quick Starter"
43455 Installer partly localized
43461 LibO 3.5.0 Beta0 doesn't install in my Windows 2008 R2 64 bits
43462 findAll doesn't work
43485 FILESAVE: brings up unexpected "file has been changed" message
With Version Beta0, 43461, 43462, have not been checked concerning "real 
Version",


43383 FILEOPEN: via Hyperlink from document does not work
 also is "somehow" beta related.

That looks like a resolvable task


CU

Rainer

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Pedro Lino]

> As posted already yesterday, it is not unlikely that beta1 will have about
> the same troubles. If so, those will be fixed before beta2, which will make
> that version fine for larger testing.

Really??? Not _unlikely_?

The Devs are actually going to release a Public Beta in this state?

I hope that _at least_ they make DAMN sure that Beta1 doesn't
overwrite the stable build...

I can see that the Timetable is stronger than Quality concerns... Sad.

So what do we (QA) do now? Is there some protocol? Are there tasks to
split? By how many?

Cheers,
Pedro
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Rainer,

Rainer Bielefeld wrote (03-12-11 08:42)


Shit happens, now the question is how we will go on.


As posted already yesterday, it is not unlikely that beta1 will have 
about the same troubles. If so, those will be fixed before beta2, which 
will make that version fine for larger testing.


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