Re: [Libreoffice-qa] A little confused re: QA and help from users

[Yifan Jiang]

Hi there,

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 02:53:39PM +0200, Nino Novak wrote:

> My personal thought is that we should try to better coordinate such
> "silent testing" as it might be the case that some functions get
> tested thousandfold and others not at all. My hope is that with
> Litmus/Moztrap a more/better coordintated/systematic testing can be
> achieved. But I don't know what the progress is as I've not been
> following the list for quite a while now.

Thanks for Nino's thoughts :) The following is some of the further comments of
Moztrap. As a replacement for Litmus
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus), Moztrap is promising for the
future of regression test
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test)
to go, currently we have a working Moztrap instance here:

http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/

Ideally the tool will make the individual "silent testing" visible for anyone
else, so that we will know which kind of tests have been done by other QA
people.

The Moztrap is in its experiments phase, we are now in the progress to
evaluate the system, gather information and feedback from people to see if
there are critical problems brought by the new tool. Please see the series of
announcement mails in libreoffice-qa mailing list titled with *[ANN] Moztrap
evaluation online - xx*.

Announcement:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/1513

Permission bits:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/1514

Code and bugs:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/1510

TODO:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.qa/1511

As you can see from the TODO list, we are in an inital progress and please let
us know if you are excited to help out anything :)

Best wishes,
Yifan

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[Libreoffice-qa] New Bugzilla Version Picker Contents

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi all,

today in the afternoon I will change the picker contents as discussed:


For a short while the Bug Submission Assistant will be out of order, 
please excuse the inconvenience!


Best Regards


Rainer Bielefeld
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Cleaning bug list

[Joel Madero]

I moved this to a new thread because the subject here didn't really
accurately portray the direction of the conversation but I wanted to say I
have uploaded the latest flowchard:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg


I wasn't sure how or if I needed a wiki page or if I should just link to
the jpg in the Useful Links section of the Bug Triage wiki page. Any
thoughts? If you could respond on the other thread (more accurate subject)
that would be great, if not here is fine. Thanks all for the input, I think
that this is at least a decent start.


Joel

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> I agree with the save comment, I'll change that right now. Also
> realized I didn't put a note in for regressions so I added to the
> bottom notes:
>
> **Regressions**
> Special attention should be paid to regressions. In most cases a
> regression calls for an increase in priority but in some cases it will
> not. If the regression is not elevated to a higher priority, a comment
> may be useful to explain why this decision was made
>
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Petr Mladek  wrote:
> > Joel Madero píše v Po 18. 06. 2012 v 09:32 -0700:
> >> Version 2, changed orientation and tried to take comments into
> >> account. Let me know what you all think.
> >
> > It is much better readable. I finally got a better picture :-)
> >
> > Well, I think that it still need some thinking. You set "inability to
> > safe" as major. I think that it should be blocker. The application
> > would be almost useless with this bug ;-)
> >
> >
> > I suggest the following changes in the top levels:
> >
> >   Q: "Does bug cause crash, loss of data[*], inability to install,
> >   broken core function, e.g. inability to safe any writer
> >   documents, print?
> >
> >+ A: "yes":
> >=> Q: "Does it affect almost all users within everyday usage and
> >   is it a regression?"
> >+ A: "yes" => blocker, highest, MAB
> >+ A: "no"  => critical, high, MAB
> >  I would leave the
> >
> >
> >+ A: "no"
> >=> Q: "Does bug involve a serious glitch such as tediously
> >   slow, inability to open particular documents, install
> >   some extensions, print on some printers?
> >
> >+ A: "yes": => "major", high
> >
> > IMHO, the rest might stay as is. Well, it would be great to create
> > several examples also for the other categories. I do not have power to
> > invent them now, though ;-)
> >
> > [*] Note that data loss might be caused by incomplete import. If it is
> > not a regression, it might be marked by developers as an enhancement.
> > Note that it needs many developer/years to support some file formats.
> > OOXML format is described on several thousands of pages...
> >
> > I am very happy with the progress and the state.
> >
> > Thanks a lot for working on it.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Petr
> >
>
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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-3.6.0.0.beta2 tag created

[Petr Mladek]

Hi,

there have been created the libreoffice-3.6.0.0.beta2 tag. The
corresponding official builds will be available within next few days.

See the attached list of changes against 3.6.0.0.beta1.
See also http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6


Now, you might switch your current 3-6 source tree to it using:

./g fetch --tags
./g checkout -b tag-libreoffice-3.6.0.0.beta2 libreoffice-3.6.0.0.beta2

Linux distro packages might find source tarballs at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/
They will be available from the official page together with the builds.


See also the schedule at 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release
and release criteria at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria


Best Regards,
Petr

bnc#325936 Picture background setting ignored [Miklos Vajna]
bnc#705956 rework handling the case of recursive ooxml shapes again [Luboš Luňák]
bnc#750935 section break and page style conversion problem [Miklos Vajna]
bnc#757609 import vmlshape 'hidden' style attribute and apply to controls [Noel Power]
bnc#757905 SwLineLayout::CalcLine: improve line height calculation [Miklos Vajna]
bnc#766477 dmapper: import NS_ooxml::LN_CT_FFCheckBox_default [Miklos Vajna]
fdo#30519 Bad transitions if "use hardware acceleration" is enabled [David Tardon]
fdo#31812 Compatibility>Key bindings needs to be more descriptive [Andras Timar]
fdo#35972 Small size icon setting is ignored. [Ivan Timofeev]
fdo#38116 FILESAVE as .doc destroys frame border properties [Michael Stahl]
fdo#39139 CALC LOCALHELP for (Alt + Up Arrow) / (Alt + Down Arrow) wrong [Andras Timar]
fdo#41830 LOCALHELP: Shortcut key table without sort order [Andras Timar]
fdo#42379 Toolbar item clipped [Ivan Timofeev]
fdo#42405 toolbars may become irrevocably locked in place [Ivan Timofeev]
fdo#43249 FILEOPEN: Frame borders not shown in .doc file [Michael Stahl]
fdo#43967 VIEWING: legacy report designer wizard improperly formats dates [Lionel Elie Mamane]
fdo#46143 Wrong AutoInput Hot Keys described in SPREADSHEET LOCALHELP [Andras Timar]
fdo#46757 Words and Character excluding spaces Word Count incorrect with Record Changes enabled [Muhammad Haggag]
fdo#47044 LibreOffice crashed when accessing Options / Internet / Proxy or Browser Plug-in settings [Stephan Bergmann]
fdo#48601 FILEOPEN: Open Visio's file with bitmap's blocks [Julien Nabet, Fridrich Štrba]
fdo#48647 ugly hairline double border drawing [Michael Stahl]
fdo#49117 LOCALHELP: Blank page returned. [Andras Timar]
fdo#49178 CRASH when FILEOPEN particular RTF [Julien Nabet]
fdo#49438 TABLES: drawing layer doesn't paint thin borders in Writer if anti-aliasing disabled [Michael Stahl]
fdo#49659 rtf header, tables, pagenumber are wrong [Miklos Vajna]
fdo#49724 Update filters for file selector's file type categories [Alberto Ferreira]
fdo#50087 FILEOPEN properties Title, Subject, Comments (File>Properties ..> Description) no longer imported in rtf document [Miklos Vajna]
fdo#50141 Word Count Characters (with spaces) incorrect with Numbering on [Muhammad Haggag]
fdo#50603 Unable to update LibreOffice without resetting user profile [Stephan Bergmann]
fdo#50679 EDITING: Copying cell(s) with conditional formatting CRASH when paste [Markus Mohrhard]
fdo#50868 Libvisio: Draw Crash/Freeze on loading MS Lync Server 2010 Topology Sample Visio Files [Fridrich Štrba]
fdo#508686 fix crash from [Fridrich Štrba]
fdo#50896 Writer crash when applying an AutoFormat to a table [David Tardon]
fdo#50964 PresenterConsole - missing all images... [Michael Meeks]
fdo#50981 Please update German dictionaries (de-DE, de-AT, de-CH) for LibreOffice 3.6 [Andras Timar]
fdo#50988 Draw crashes on loading MS Logical Design Diagram example viso file. [Julien Nabet]
fdo#51017 ODFF: implement missing imaginary functions [Regina Henschel]
fdo#51046 New about dialog - pressing left or right arrow focuses wrong button [Andras Timar]
i#81127 Get rid of -fsigned-char? [Caolán McNamara, Rene Engelhard]
rhbz#678440 opening urls fails with error 403 on picky servers [Stephan Bergmann]
rhbz#820554 smoketest fails on ppc64 [Caolán McNamara]
rhbz#826609 fix smoketest on ppc[64] and s390[x] [Caolán McNamara]
+ common
+ version 3.6.0.0.beta2, tag libreoffice-3.6.0.0.beta2 [Petr Mladek]
+ binfilter
+ adapt to 6d78c490b0923c22d125286ebdae2e41edd28f6c [Stephan Bergmann]
+ core
+ fix smoketest on ppc[64] and s390[x] (rhbz#820554, i#81127, rhbz#826609) [Caolán McNamara]
+ -Werror,-Wmismatched-tags [Stephan Bergmann]
+ -Werror,-Wunused-function [Stephan Bergmann]
+ abstract type in ptr_container needs this workaround [Markus Mohrhard]
+ accept BIT* functions as _xlfnodf.* in Excel import [Eike Rathke]
+ adapt to different Windows versions' InternetQueryOption behavior (fdo#47044) [Stephan Bergmann]
+ add constructors to init dialog with model data [Markus Mohrhard]
+ add contructor that inits dialog from model [Markus Mohrhard]
+ add data bar ui elements [Markus Mo

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Who is our expert for general UI/GUI bugs?

[Roman Eisele]

Am 19.06.12 15:14, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:
> Ivan Timofeev () fixed a lot of general UI
> problems, I recommend that you ask him whether he agrees to be listed on
> that experts list.

Hello Rainer,

thank you very much for this hint! Yes, I will ask Ivan if we can add
him to our experts list.

Best regards,

Roman
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Who is our expert for general UI/GUI bugs?

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Roman Eisele schrieb:


our list of "Friendly experts" at
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert
does not include any expert for general UI/GUI bugs


Hi,

Ivan Timofeev () fixed a lot of general UI 
problems, I recommend that you ask him whether he agrees to be listed on 
that experts list.


Best regards

Rainer

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] A little confused re: QA and help from users

[Nino Novak]

Not really an answer but rather some related questions/thoughts:

Am 19.06.2012 09:47, schrieb Marc Paré:

Like the title says, I am a little confused over QA and help from users.
Do people who are on this list participate in any QA?


Don't know if I understand your question - I'd assume that people 
subscribed to this (libo-qa) list are particularly interested in doing 
QA work plus organizing it.




For example, I usually download any LO Beta series on up. Is there
anything that I could do to help with QA? Testing? I cannot do very long
QA tests but even short tests? No sense in downloading the pre-releases
and not helping out when I can.


I'd assume that this is exactly what many people do: downloading a 
"young" version from time to time (or even regularly) and trying to 
perform some of their usual daily work with it. This might be called 
some kind of "silent QA", because nobody ever learns about the results 
of these attempts. However - hopefully - they'll report back to a list 
or to bugzilla if they encounter any blockers or strange behavior (at 
least I do).


My personal thought is that we should try to better coordinate such 
"silent testing" as it might be the case that some functions get tested 
thousandfold and others not at all. My hope is that with Litmus/Moztrap 
a more/better coordintated/systematic testing can be achieved. But I 
don't know what the progress is as I've not been following the list for 
quite a while now.




Do we need more help from users specifically for QA on this list? It
looks like the process is pretty much automated or am I wrong?


This question shows that the available info about this part of the QA is 
still incomplete (or not visible enough): What exactly is tested 
autmatically - and what needs (additional) manual testing?


However - personally I'd say that QA needs as many qualified people as 
possible, but that's not enough: the QA work needs better 
coordination/synchronization, too.


Nino
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[Libreoffice-qa] Who is our expert for general UI/GUI bugs?

[Roman Eisele]

Hi,

our list of "Friendly experts" at

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert

does not include any expert for general UI/GUI bugs (Christoph Noack is
expert for "GUI design questions", but not for bugs). Therefore my
question: which developer(s) should be CC'ed for cross-platform bugs in
the UI/GUI, like this one:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50856

? This bug in the Start Center window is neither limited to a specific
platform (so CC'ing our Linux, MacOS, and Windows experts is not
appropriate) nor related to one of the main components (so CC'ing our
Writer, Calc, etc. experts is not appropriate, too). Therefore, which
developer(s) need to be informed about a bug of this kind?

Thank you very much for any hints!

Roman
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[Libreoffice-qa] A little confused re: QA and help from users

[Marc Paré]

Like the title says, I am a little confused over QA and help from users. 
Do people who are on this list participate in any QA?


For example, I usually download any LO Beta series on up. Is there 
anything that I could do to help with QA? Testing? I cannot do very long 
QA tests but even short tests? No sense in downloading the pre-releases 
and not helping out when I can.


Do we need more help from users specifically for QA on this list? It 
looks like the process is pretty much automated or am I wrong?


Thanks for any info.

Cheers,

Marc

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