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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:50:28PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * gerrit update (Bjoern)
>   + syadmin team for gerrit have an alias:
>   ger...@otrs.documentfoundation.org
> please use sparingly for agreed issues or
> service outages.
>   + OTRS being deployed generally for sysadmin ticketing

The reasoning here being not that I dont like the tool, but that we once its
in, its not that easy to openly discuss in it.

So good tickets:
- Please give commiter rights to foo, he is doing great
- OMG! gerrit is down!
- gitweb doesnt work on project foo

Bad tickets:
- I dont like the style and have not discussed this anywhere, but please make
  the default font Comic Sans -- the code looks cutier with it

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 16:50 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> AI:   + review updated license / dos (Caolan, Bjoern)

Looked ok to me, I then miscounted the reviews and pushed this to 3-6-0
(*shrug*)

C.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Noel Grandin
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Michael Meeks  wrote:
>
> * 4.0 - when to call it that ? (Kendy)
> + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
> + too much to do in one six-month section

IMNSHO, most of the stuff on that page can be accomplished in small,
easy chunks, with a minimum of disruption:
For each piece, create an EasyHack that looks like:
   (a) create new methods, namespaces, etc. that fix the problem
   (b) mark old stuff as deprecated
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/295120/c-mark-as-deprecated
   (c) let the compiler point out the places that need changing
   (d) leave the old stuff for a couple of releases, and then start a
rolling delete
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread David Tardon
Hi,

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:50:28PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael)
>   + indifferent about --disable-xmlsec
>   + only intended for iOS / Android currently, should
> not be used on Linux.
>   + configure should check & fail if this option is
> set for non iOS / Android

We use --disable-xmlsec for mingw builds too (it most probably means
libxmlsec does not cross-compile with mingw ATM; I do not remember).

> * MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby)
>   + been merged to master
>   + java enabled / compilation issues
>   + help with build process / location of uuidgen
> using undocumented parameters etc.

What is the exact problem here? Note that the uuidgen binary from
util-linux is not the one to use. There is another one (at least in
Fedora) called uuid (from package uuid), that seems to be
command-line-option-compatible with the Windows' uuidgen.exe . There is
even a check for it in configure, but it only issues warning if it is
not found (if we are going to always generate the MSI, it should be
changed to error).

D.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Michael Meeks  wrote:
> * Pending Action Items
> + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
>   statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)

Done
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present:
Norbert, Stephan, Eike, David T, Lionel, Markus, Kendy, Bjoern,
Caolan, Andras, Michael M, Fridrich, Michael S, Rainer, Astron,
Tibbylickle

* Completed Action Items
+ fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Andras)
+ Mango icons - in gerrit pending review (Astron)
AI: + reviewing action needed for 3-6-0 etc. (Michael, Caolan)

* Pending Action Items
+ notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
  statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
AI: + get list of freedesktop mails to Bjoern (Norbert)
+ check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten)
+ crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz?)
+ quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Fridrich)
+ 3.5.5 released, DVDs up-loaded yesterday etc.
+ 3.6.0 RC2
+ build issues on windows but finally up-loaded this morning
+ synching to mirrors, announce expected tomorrow
+ branch created for libreoffice-3-6-0
+ commits must be cherry-picked from 3-6
+ after an additional two reviews (+1 for -3-6)
+ 3.5.6 RC1 - July 30th ish

* 3.6.0 blocker bug check (Petr/Michael)
+ 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=6&hide_resolved=1
+ Java runtime fix / cherry-pick
+ concerned that the fix is right ? we can't ship
  endless MSVC++ runtimes.
+ 3.5+ Mac a11y issue - Stephan & Norbert hunting
+ working with 3.6 and it works well (Rainer)
+ most concern around base performance issues
+ integrated cache regression speedup before branch (Fridrich)
+ not a crash issue (Lionel)
+ we can release-note & fix for 3.6.1
AI: + review updated license / dos (Caolan, Bjoern)
+ concern wrt. count of testers (Bjeorn)
+ universal / release snapshot unique IP numbers
+ B1 1200, B2 1200, B3 700, RC1 500
+ B3: 55 Linux, 54 Mac, 584 Windows
+ plus Linux distro downloads in parallel
AI: + check updater to push people through to upgrade RCs (Kendy)

* GSOC update (Fridrich)
+ nine of ten students passed the midterm evaluation
+ lots of great work going on, and applied dedication

* UI / design update (Astron)
+ icons already discussed
AI: + another review for splash-screens (Michael)
+ about box background image pending
+ 'official' conference logo is pending needs decision

* cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael)
+ --disable-cve-tests - useful on windows wrt. anti-virus
+ slam-dunk / good idea, merge the patch.
+ indifferent about --disable-xmlsec
+ only intended for iOS / Android currently, should
  not be used on Linux.
+ configure should check & fail if this option is
  set for non iOS / Android
+ --disable-cppunit is controversial
+ programmers are lazy, we want widespread unit
  test running & coverage (Markus)
+ once needed to disable unit tests working on
  coretext (Norbert)
+ 'make build' already exists (Markus)
+ not widely publicised
+ disables all unit tests in the build
+ problem is it doesn't build an install-set
+ can run make cmd cmd=bin/ooinstall after that
+ Ubuntu disables tests during the build already, so
  make check runs them in a separate phase (Bjoern)
+ disabling unit tests generally seems a bad idea, each time
  unit tests break - turned out to be a regression (Fridrich)
+ potential unit test performance problems
+ potential slowdown for linux tinderbox build tests
  investigating it (Norbert)
+ seen some runaway unit tests / slowchecks, chasing it (Bjoern)
+ will continue to dedicate some small % of build-time
  running unit tests

* MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby)
+ been merged to master
+ java enabled / compilation issues
+ help with build process / location of uuidgen
  using undocumented parameters etc.
AI: + help get tinderboxes building up-loading msis (Andras)

* re-basing update (Michael)
+ 85 modules ~complete, 48 to go
+ ~19k files re-based.

* un-merged patches in bugzilla (Michael S / Caolan)
+ down to a dozen or so left.

* ODF update (Thorsten)
+ long term sub-committee working on new change-tracking
  -proposal- on the horizon - more flexible

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insulting comments in bug reports: what should we do?

2012-07-19 Thread Michael Meeks

On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 19:33 +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> may be, but as Alex said, I also see such slips from time to time and 
> some latent aggressiveness (and also rather good work).

Right - it is worth bearing in mind that if someone has had their
document data lost / corrupted by some bug or other - they are unlikely
to be in the most balanced state of mind when the file and/or comment on
similar bugs :-)

Personally, I dislike offensive comments - they make me internally
de-prioritise that particular bug :-) so somewhat counter-productive.

I still think that all hard rules to police politeness will eventually
turn out to be a terrible idea ;-) instead it's better to have a set of
people who gently clue-bat offenders and understand their pain. People
care passionately about LibreOffice - and that's a good thing :-), and
they have high goals for it which is good too - until those goals seem
to be blocked.

My hope would be that most of these comments would eventually be in
closed bugs that no-one ever looks at - no doubt that is everyone's
goal :-)

HTH,

Michael.

-- 
michael.me...@suse.com  <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Michael Stahl
On 19/07/12 11:09, Fridrich Strba wrote:
> On 12/07/12 17:55, Michael Meeks wrote:

>>and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled
> 
> Mozilla is also used for Outlook Express (WAB) address-book and for
> Outlook address-book via MAPI. For windows, there is a (deprecated) API
> to access Windows Address Book using wab32.dll. The MAPI API is also
> present on windows, so to make 2 distinct address-book drivers for
> Windows might be reasonably feasible. For mozilla/thunderbird
> addressbook, there seems to be a solution that does not require the
> whole beast and thus no xpcom eating CPU time.
> 
> For Linux, there is libpst that is able to read outlook contacts and
> somehow old libwab that knows how the WAB format looks. They are
> GPL-licensed thus, so not directly usable.

on my Linux master build with --enable-mozilla i've got the following
address books:

- LDAP Address Book
- Seamonkey Address Book
- Thunderbird/Icedove Address Book

so apparently Outlook [Express] is not a currently supported feature on
non-Windows platforms, and if we offer it only on Windows in the future
it's not a regression.

i personally don't think supporting it on non-Windows platforms is all
that useful, because i assume that people only use these Address Book
drivers on a live address book that they actively maintain in their mail
client; generally Linux/Mac users don't use Outlook as a mail client
because of its limited platform support.

thus it should be acceptable to let Linux/Mac users use their Outlook
[Express] address books by first importing them into e.g. Thunderbird on
Linux (possibly indirectly by first importing into Thunderbird on
Windows), and then accessing that via the newfangled Mork driver; they
would have to import it into a Linux mail client anyway if they want to
use it to send mails.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Fridrich Strba
On 12/07/12 17:55, Michael Meeks wrote:
> * Windows / ldap (Fridrich)
>   + porting from mozilla ldap library to native windows API
>   + moving to openldap included for linux / generic builds

Done. Mozilla is not used for LDAP stuff in master anymore. For windows,
it is winldap.h with the UTF-16 api and for *nix it is openLDAP with
UTF-8 encoding. That means we have some level of ifdef-ing in one file,
but given the nature of the API, it was lesser evil then to add whole
C++ abstraction.

>   + leave mozilla code for addressbook integration,
> and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled

Mozilla is also used for Outlook Express (WAB) address-book and for
Outlook address-book via MAPI. For windows, there is a (deprecated) API
to access Windows Address Book using wab32.dll. The MAPI API is also
present on windows, so to make 2 distinct address-book drivers for
Windows might be reasonably feasible. For mozilla/thunderbird
addressbook, there seems to be a solution that does not require the
whole beast and thus no xpcom eating CPU time.

For Linux, there is libpst that is able to read outlook contacts and
somehow old libwab that knows how the WAB format looks. They are
GPL-licensed thus, so not directly usable.

>   + use NSS for security pieces

F.
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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 RC2 test builds available

2012-07-19 Thread Fridrich Strba
Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, the RC2 builds now start to be
available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be second release
candidate build on the way towards 3.6.0, please refer to our release
plan timings here:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release

Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't
spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab
them here:

 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report *critical*
bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the
release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to
populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect
feedback.

NOTE: This build is in a release configuration and _will_ replace your
existing LibreOffice install on Windows.

The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.6.0 RC1 is here:

 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-0-release-3.6.0.2.log

So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and
validation that those bugs are really fixed.

Thanks a lot for your help,

Fridrich
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Insulting comments in bug reports: what should we do?

2012-07-19 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Roman Eisele  wrote:

> I have considered that, but I was not sure who should do it; I don't
> think that I have the authority to write to anyone and to reprimand him.

Sure you do, like everybody else.
 'Community standard/Decency' are best enforced by the community at large.
A private mail to 'tune down on the Ad Hominem', if that is not
effective a public one (in bugzilla in that case)... and if that still
does not work _then_ raise that to a more formal process. (BoD)


Norbert
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