Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

2012-09-13 Thread Roman Eisele

Am 13.09.12 18:20, schrieb Joel Madero:

These are just a few of the things that pertained to QA

>

 5. MAB
 1. There really shouldn't be any put to 3.7 from what I understood


Well, if and only if a bug
* is NEW in the 3.7 daily builds (i.e., is not reproducible in 3.6) and
* is really annoying,
it _should_ be added to the "LibreOffice 3.7 Most Annoying Bugs" list:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54157

For details about our MAB procedure, please see

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Most_Annoying_Bugs

Best regards,

  Roman

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO International Sites - बोडो Bodo (India)

2012-09-13 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Hi,

I checked hattp://brx.libreoffice.org/>

and only found a very trivial Problem "Bug 54903 - TDF Site [brx]: 
contents Feature Page "CALC" shifted 2mm to the right"

 

@Sanjib Narzary:
It seems you currently do not have a Bugzilla account. Can you please 
create one so that you can be added to CC for any problem reported 
concerning the Bodo Website?


Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO International Sites

2012-09-13 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:


it would be great if some volunteers could check the LibO sites in their
languages and report bugs in Bugzilla as I did for [ar] and [bg] [1].



Hi,

sorry, I forgot the link:



Best regards


Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] FR irc session and Moztrap

2012-09-13 Thread Yi Fan Jiang
Hi Sophie,

It is a great news, thanks to let us know :) Updates from mine:

1. I have mentioned an intern in SUSE might be helpful to migrate the 
cases, but she would be off works  for these weeks because of school
business...so I'll assume she would not be able to do that :(

2. I updated  the writing test case guide wiki yesterday regarding to 
our structure:

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Test_Case

until when we have the Moztrap QA wiki pages all up-to-date
(though not perfect and prove read) :)

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Moztrap

I am here to give support at any time.

Best wishes,
Yifan

>>> Sophie Gautier  09/14/12 1:37 AM >>>
Hi all,

This is just to let you know that the FR group is going to have a QA IRC 
(FR channel) session on 3.6.2 RC1 tomorrow and on Saturday. I'll give 
you a summary on how it goes on Sunday.

@Yifan, sorry for the delay answering your mails, I'll have time 
tomorrow to go on with Moztrap. I'll have also time in the next days to 
dedicate to the test migration, but I'll answer you specifically on this 
tomorrow.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reporting Ignorant User on FDO?

2012-09-13 Thread Joel Madero
I think Michael already sent him a message and he's said he's done it
before as well. What got to me a bit was that this actually made his bug
move faster which is like promoting these ridiculous antics that he
apparently is known to have. Because it was a minor bug to begin with, I
was tempted to let it sit there for awhile and make it clear that it was
because he was being an a.but, that ultimately hurts our project and
probably doesn't do much to help any of us including him. Best thing I
could have done was ignore it and move on but it was late and it pissed me
off so I commented and spammed everyone about it ;)

I do think that most forums and community sites have general rules listed
somewhere that a user can be directed to, this is probably a good thing to
have just so that if in the future we ban a user, we can direct him/her to
the rules and point out which ones were violated.


Best Regards,
Joel

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Rainer Bielefeld <
libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de> wrote:

> Joel Madero wrote:
>
>> IMO we need to add a section to "how to file a bug report" that is
>> labeled "what is not helpful or useful" in there I could put
>>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> of course you can do that, but there are 2 kinds of users:
> 1. those who do not need such advise
> 2. those who do not follow such advise
>
> We already have had some discussion concerning U. from time to time. My
> suspect:  "c..." and "f..." are at least 20% of his English vocabulary? ;-)
> I'm not involved and so I can send to him a friendly but assertive E-Mai;
> and it's annoying but possible to delete a useless "f..." comment, may be
> such a  warning shot might help a little?
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rainer
>
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reporting Ignorant User on FDO?

2012-09-13 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Joel Madero wrote:

IMO we need to add a section to "how to file a bug report" that is
labeled "what is not helpful or useful" in there I could put



Hi,

of course you can do that, but there are 2 kinds of users:
1. those who do not need such advise
2. those who do not follow such advise

We already have had some discussion concerning U. from time to time. My 
suspect:  "c..." and "f..." are at least 20% of his English vocabulary? ;-)
I'm not involved and so I can send to him a friendly but assertive 
E-Mai; and it's annoying but possible to delete a useless "f..." 
comment, may be such a 	warning shot might help a little?


Best regards


Rainer

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[Libreoffice-qa] LibO International Sites

2012-09-13 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Hi all,

it would be great if some volunteers could check the LibO sites in their 
languages and report bugs in Bugzilla as I did for [ar] and [bg] [1]. 
Please leave a comment on  if a 
site has been tested, to avoid double work?


You should check:
- Correct versions offered for download
- Contents up to date?
- all Links working?
- No typos?
- Graphics all at their places, not truncated?

Thank you in advance


Rainer Bielefeld
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

2012-09-13 Thread Jack Leigh

Thanks Joel, nice job.

Currently finishing up my Masters project so don't have a lot of time 
but should be able to get involved for a blitz after Sept.

Maybe will try and get my 5 a day until then :P

Cheers,
Jack

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-09-13 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present:
+ Fridrich, Lionel, Stephan, Norbert, Andras, Kendy,
  Michael M, Kohei, Cedric, David, Joel, Astron, Cloph

* Completed Action Items
+ enable evolution connector in distro-config for Linux (Lionel)
+ change pre-selection of default dictionaries to install (Stephan)
+ massive help indexing acceleration already in 3.6.2
+ due for 3.6.3
+ enable debug bits for Mac tinderbox (Norbert)
+ debug information enabled & live: --with-symbols
+ work-out a nice size limit for bundled fonts (Kendy)
+ [punt it] in favour of new font download solution
  Lubos working on it - struggling with caches.
+ conference papers committee assistance (Norbert)

* Pending Action Items
+ [pending] make bytemark windows box do release builds (Fridrich)
+ crediting: can we separate templates in the credits page (Spaetz)
+ gerrit - patch abandonment can only be done by owner or gerrit admin 
(Bjoern)
+ gerrit - update docs in wiki (Bjoern)
+ Petr to decide release-schedule / overlap gap issue
+ change to contract and OSL_TRACE for oob results in OUString::copy 
(Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Fridrich)
+ 3.6.2 rc1 status
+ in pre-release, populating mirrors.
+ 3.5.7 rc1 - September 17th (next Monday)
+ Fridrich doing releng while Petr on vacation
+ likes most patches integrated by Friday for slower hardware

* conference program update (Norbert/Cedric/Fridrich)
+ conference looking good, lots of interesting papers
+ papers will be availble on line

* Joel introduction / welcome
+ joined a couple of months ago
+ mostly doing trigaing
+ some coding fixes

* emotive plea for more easy-hacks (Andras)
+ lots of students / volunteers chewing through the easy hacks
+ need more Easy Hacks particularly tasks:
+ that can take a few weeks for new hackers.
+ not trivial cleanup (only useful to learn review process)
+ more substantial / interesting: three week bits.
+ new volunteers: could they learn by triaging.

* UI / design update (Astron)
+ gradient-fill for cells:
+ review: better for whole areas rather than cells
+ interoperability issues ?
+ borders query:
+ we have to pick sensible default options / settings
+ Android icon underway with Alex's help
+ work ongoing improving icon themes too
+ options reduction ongoing interest
AI: + new git repository needed for UI stuff 'original-artwork' (Norbert)

* QA update (Joel)
+ immature interaction styles in bugzilla
+ encourage people to interact positively
+ don't just ask to reproduce on latest
  ver. unless v. old
+ more complication wrt. when to 'close' bugs ...
+ only developers should close it resolved->fixed
+ unless QA can resolve exactly when.
+ use resolved->worksforme instead.
+ do we close a bug when it's fixed on master or all branches ?
+ some things get fixed but related to separate bugs
+ the bug-bot adds helpful comments when it's cherry-picked
+ prefer fixed when fixed on master (Kendy)
+ tracker bug dependencies different (Lionel)
+ crossed out only when it's fixed in that branch
+ problem remembering coming back to close it later (Norbert)
+ is it ok to close worksforme if it works on master ?
+ if not so serious for back-porting, ok (Lionel)
+ worth having the latest stable branch in parallel
  not worth going back further for worksforme
+ what proportion are 'worksforme' ? (Kendy)
+ rougly:
+ 50% => needinfo
+ 25% workforme
+ 25% => developers
+ some annoying bugs with calc (Rainer)
+ really helps to have actual documents etc. (Kohei)
+ eg. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54498
+ many are duplicates: moggi addressing the core issue
  on an overheating laptop.
+ begging for more triage volunteers:
+ once we catch-up all is good; but we're so far behind.
+ catch-up 10x bugs per week but a 1300 backlog
+ 20-30 new per day.
+ lots of user-appreciation.
**  + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugTriage  **
+ need help confirming some 2011 bugs:
+ 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=12

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Proposal for Hard Hacks

2012-09-13 Thread Terrence Enger




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[Libreoffice-qa] FR irc session and Moztrap

2012-09-13 Thread Sophie Gautier

Hi all,

This is just to let you know that the FR group is going to have a QA IRC 
(FR channel) session on 3.6.2 RC1 tomorrow and on Saturday. I'll give 
you a summary on how it goes on Sunday.


@Yifan, sorry for the delay answering your mails, I'll have time 
tomorrow to go on with Moztrap. I'll have also time in the next days to 
dedicate to the test migration, but I'll answer you specifically on this 
tomorrow.


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[Libreoffice-qa] Esc Call Notes

2012-09-13 Thread Joel Madero
These are just a few of the things that pertained to QA

   1. Calc (3.6) crashing
  1.  bugs discussed, we need to go through the Unconfirmed and verify.
  The NEW ones are being looked at by the developers
   2. HardHacks
  1. Previous email sent out, we need to finalize the process
  2. Developers have gone through the hard hacks, a continuous list is
  preferred (max of 5-7 bugs at a time, refilling these as they are taken
  care of is best
  3. See previous email for suggestions
   3. Triaging
  1. Begged for more help for back log ;), some interested but
  suggestion of bug hunting session. Time difference could be an issue, can
  someone else in Europe try to arrange this? If it's over the
weekend I may
  be able to join, otherwise very hard
  2. There are 30ish students from Hungary (I believe?) doing
  development, asked for more EasyHacks to work on, I suggested that maybe
  they could help triage and maybe find their own EasyHacks (not sure what
  the result of this was)
   4. EasyHacks
  1. Like above, need more EasyHacks marked, people are available to
  deal with them but there aren't enough out there
  2. My comment: I'm seeing things marked as EasyHack without the
  entire list of things that we usually should put for easy hack
  (particularly bt if possible, and some direction as to where to
look in the
  code)
   5. MAB
  1. There really shouldn't be any put to 3.7 from what I understood
   6. Resolved Status
  1. Only mark as Resolved if it's resolved in latest stable, not if it
  only works in latest master (a comment can be put in if it's working on
  latest master)
  2. WORKSFORME unless you know for sure the bug was assigned and dealt
  with by a developer, in which case ask them to mark as RESOLVED
- FIXED or
  mark it yourself (again only if you're sure that it wasn't just
  coincidentally fixed, or just works for you and you're not sure if the
  particular bug was dealt with)
   7. Issues regarding rudeness on FDO
  1. Michael dealt with the one case, banning a user is probably more
  problematic than it's worth.
  2. Creating a wiki page (Joel) to kind of address this, something
  along the lines of "What is not useful in reporting a bug"

I think that was about it, if I missed something, my apologies.


Best Regards,
Joel
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC1 test builds available

2012-09-13 Thread Pedro
Hi all

Why is "GNOME integration" selected by default on the Windows installer?
Should it even show on the Windows installer?

I'm sad that Jan was "forced" to unfix bug 49919 based on absurd arguments
such as

"#2 We have reason to believe that some people don't like using/don't use
the
start menu and thus don't see the LibreOffice icon
#3 Almost any Windows software puts icons on the desktop (which is not much
of
a reason itself, but might help explain #2)"

This is absolutely NOT true. Please quote which Office suite does that?
Certainly not MS Office...

In any case the install options are saved somewhere (I ALWAYS use custom
install and my options are remembered on each update, as expected) EXCEPT
for the desktop icon which I ALWAYS have to uncheck

Regards,
Pedro



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[Libreoffice-qa] Proposal for Hard Hacks

2012-09-13 Thread Joel Madero
Hi Everyone,

Michael came up with an idea for hard hacks that I liked. Here is the
proposal:

a) each QA "staff" member gets to nominate one bug to hard hacks at a time

b) that member monitors the bug occasionally and once it is fixed they can
put another one on the list

c) in order to track we could use the QA Contact Field since no one else
uses that field vs. whiteboard where anyone and everyone edits. We could
use it in one of two ways:
   - have a dedicated QA member that we assign to (one) and then that
basically tells the developers "this is a hard hack"
   - each individual member of QA puts their own name in there so then the
developers know who put the bug as a hard hack

I am also open to the idea of just adding a whiteboard status of HardHack.
Today at the conference call they had done all but 1 of them and asked for
more, I was unprepared to give more. We should try to keep that list
constantly at 5-7 bugs.

Probably something that we should discuss next week during our call but we
need to get a method down so that developers can tackle these bugs.


Best Regards,
Joel
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Please Triage These (Bugs from 2011)

2012-09-13 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 07/09/12 17:56, Joel Madero a écrit :

Hi Joel,

> There are 12 bugs from 2011 that haven't been triaged. I think they have
> been kind of ignored because they require certain things (such as Mac or
> UX input or advanced computer understanding :) ). Could someone(s)
> please get these done, then at least we're up to 2012 :) If you see one
> or more that you think you can deal with, please do it and send a reply
> so we know it's done. Thanks everyone
> 

I just dealt with the Mac one, set to NEEDINFO as I can't reproduce.

Alex


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Please Triage These (Bugs from 2011)

2012-09-13 Thread Mas
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> There are 12 bugs from 2011 that haven't been triaged. I think they have
> been kind of ignored because they require certain things (such as Mac or UX
> input or advanced computer understanding :) ). Could someone(s) please get
> these done, then at least we're up to 2012 :) If you see one or more that
> you think you can deal with, please do it and send a reply so we know it's
> done. Thanks everyone
>
>
>
> ID▲
> Comp
> Sev▲
> Pri▲
> OS
> Assignee
> Status
> Resolution
> Summary
> Changed
> 42673 Spreadsh majlow
> Wind libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---With disconnected network
> printers, Calc hangs opening some files waiting on the Windows print 
> spooler
> 2011-11-07 41987 
> Libreoff normedium Mac libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---LibreOffice
> hangs when "Save As..." tries to re-mount previously used, but now
> inaccessible network 
> volumes
> 2011-10-19 42118 BASIC
> normedium Linu libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---Macro editor lacks
> the standard window controls -- Linux Unity window manager 
> specific
> 2011-11-17 43185 
> Libreoff normedium Wind libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---Font
> Replacement According Replacement Table (Option) does not Work as 
> Expected
> 2011-11-23 43198 
> Libreoff normedium Linu libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---LibreOffice
> is opened when WebKitGtk is used with installed LibreOffice Mozilla 
> plugin
> 2011-11-23 43255 
> Drawing normedium Wind libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---FILEOPEN:
> MinGW impossible for particular 
> .SVGs
> 2011-11-26 43449 
> Document normedium alllibreoffice-b...@lists.free... UNCO ---WIKIHELP
> image size should be in pixel, or else trash 
> resizing
> 2011-12-01 43450 
> Document normedium alllibreoffice-b...@lists.free... UNCO ---WIKIHELP
> table-styled list 
> consistency2011-12-01
> 43471 Libreoff min
> medium Linu libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco ---unable to import gtk
> library from libreoffice's embedded python on 
> RHEL6.1

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reporting Ignorant User on FDO?

2012-09-13 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2012.09.13 08:32, Roman Eisele rašė:

Am 12.09.12 09:34, schrieb David Tardon:

I suggest to reply to any such comment of his by citing
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120107#c1 (the user name
and email looks familiar, does it not? :-)


This is a wonderful idea, both simple and elegant. My compliments!


Wonderful, indeed!

Rimas

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC1 test builds available

2012-09-13 Thread Fridrich Strba
On 13/09/12 09:57, Fridrich Strba wrote:
> candidate build on the way towards 3.6.1, please refer to our release

Naturally, towards 3.6.2 as you already for sure figured out. I am very
bad with numbers :)

F.

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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.2 RC1 test builds available

2012-09-13 Thread Fridrich Strba
Hi *,

for the upcoming new version 3.6.2, the RC1 builds now start to be
available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be first release
candidate build on the way towards 3.6.1, please refer to our release
plan timings here:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release

Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't
spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab
them here:

 http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report *critical*
bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the
release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to
populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect
feedback.

NOTE: This build is in a release configuration and _will_ replace your
existing LibreOffice install on Windows.

The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.6.1 is here:

 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-2-release-3.6.2.1.log


So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and
validation that those bugs are really fixed.

Thanks a lot for your help,

Fridrich

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[Libreoffice-qa] Fwd: [2914053]-[LibreOffice]-Software white-list request completed

2012-09-13 Thread Marc Kaulisch

Symantec put LibreOffice on the whitelist...

Best regards,

Marc


 Original-Nachricht 
Betreff:[2914053]-[LibreOffice]-Software white-list request completed
Datum:  Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:18:27 -0700
Von: 	Software White-List Requests 


An: m...@kaulisch.de 



Hello,



We are writing in relation to your application through Symantec's on-line 
Software White-listing Request form for your software LibreOffice.

Symantec has decided to add this software to its white-list.

The white-list is used in internal quality assurance processes and also by the 
cloud for some products.

This inclusion should reduce the possibility of false positive detections by 
Symantec products, but Symantec cannot guarantee that false positives will not 
occur.

In the event of continued reports of false positives, please notify us through 
Symantec's on-line Security Risk/False Positive Dispute Submission form 
available at: https://submit.symantec.com/dispute.

Symantec's decision is not a certification or endorsement of your software in 
any way, and you are expressly advised by this message that Symantec does not 
consent to you disclosing that Symantec has added your software to its 
white-list, or that Symantec has evaluated, endorsed or certified your software 
in any manner, directly or indirectly.

Please note also that decisions made by Symantec are subject to change 
depending on a variety of factors that include but are not limited to 
alterations in the software, distribution of the software, or vulnerabilities 
in the software to misuse by the publisher or others.



Symantec may also change its classification criteria and policies over time to 
address the constantly evolving security landscape.



Sincerely,



Symantec Security Response



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reporting Ignorant User on FDO?

2012-09-13 Thread Roman Eisele

Am 12.09.12 09:34, schrieb David Tardon:

I suggest to reply to any such comment of his by citing
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120107#c1 (the user name
and email looks familiar, does it not? :-)


This is a wonderful idea, both simple and elegant. My compliments!

Roman

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