Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Hi Adam, On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 08:18 -0700, Adam Fyne wrote: This is my first mail sent to the 'libreoffice-qa' mail-list. I hope this is the correct method of doing things... Yes - absolutely ! :-) My question is: What is the difference between bugs posted under 'Writer' section with the keyword 'FILEOPEN', to bugs in the 'filter and storage' section? Ah - so FILEOPEN (I think) is a special keyword added by the bugzilla assistant that you can use via: Help-Send Feedback. To me - it seems as if all the bugs under that have the 'FILEOPEN' keyword should be under the 'filters and storage' section, no? Ah - I -think- that that is prolly a rather under-used bugzilla section; in general we file ~all filter bugs along with the component that the filter is associated with: so writer bugs vs. writer, calc vs. calc and so on. So - actually, I have no idea why that component exists :-) Any other input ? ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Adam Fyne schrieb: What is the difference between bugs posted under 'Writer' section with the keyword 'FILEOPEN', Hi Adam, although the answer might not be really satisfying: Components starting with a lowercase [1] are for developers wrangling deep in the guts of LibO, we normal users normally don't have the skills to follow discussion there. But they are not unused [2]. Sometimes developers submit such bugs to track the activities in a particular code area, sometimes a normal FILESAVE Bug mutates because developers see some deeper relations they want to proceed. Resume (very similar to Michael's): That's for the core developers, don't care about these Components, there are good reasons why they do not appear in the Bug Submission Assistant. But I see a problem, [2] shows a lot of bugs where the filters and storage Component only is worrying, I believe any UNCONFIRMED Bug there [3] is suspicious. If users select one of these Components they only prevent other users from checking and confirming. I will take that on my review-todo list. Best regards Rainer Hyperlinks [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details#filters_and_storage [2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedcomponent=filters%20and%20storageproduct=LibreOfficelist_id=287789 [3] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=287812o1=regexpquery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEEDINFOcomponent=contribcomponent=filters%20and%20storagecomponent=frameworkcomponent=sdkproduct=LibreOffice ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Hi Rainer, Am 18.04.2013 13:19, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: snip If users select one of these Components they only prevent other users from checking and confirming. I don´t understand what you are mean. Why should other user be prevented from checking and confirming? reg Jochen ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Hi Rainer, Am 18.04.2013 14:22, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: well, they will be discouraged and deterred (because the have no idea concerning what problem that report might be), not prevented. Maybe... I can not follow your reasoning. An unconfirmed bug must be confirmed. IMHO many unconfirmed bug are not understandable respectively it makes a lot of work to ask (NEED INFO). This is not a special problem of new/other users. It is a problem of everyone reading the bugreport - also for advanced-QA-people. Advanced-QA-people are IMHO not deterred by unconfirmed. Newbabies are deterred by circumstantiality, time required, patience or uncertainty. Unconfirmed is IMHO not the problem. regards Jochen ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Adam Fyne píše v Po 15. 04. 2013 v 08:18 -0700: Hi, This is my first mail sent to the 'libreoffice-qa' mail-list. Welcome here. I hope this is the correct method of doing things... My question is: What is the difference between bugs posted under 'Writer' section with the keyword 'FILEOPEN', to bugs in the 'filter and storage' section? To me - it seems as if all the bugs under that have the 'FILEOPEN' keyword should be under the 'filters and storage' section, no? Best, Good question. The uppercase names are used to crate subcomponents in the bugzilla components. For example, it is useful to separate RTF import/export bugs from the other Writer bugs. The subcomponent is usually created when we see a particular developer interested into some particular bugs. In addition, there are two types of components. The components with the uppercase initial letter are the primary components that should be easy to understand. These are offered in the bugzilla assistant, see https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ The components with low letters and kind of internal. They make sense for certain bugs but normal people might have troubles to understand the content. So, they are not offered in the bugzilla assistant. They are used by bug triagers and developers. You might find some documentation at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details#Components https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/FAQ#How_to_use_subcomponents Note that subcomponents are well supported by the bugzilla assistant, see https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ Back to your question. As Michael said, we prefer to enter import/export bugs for the application-related components, e.g Writer, Calc. The component filters and storage is intended for the I/O infrastructure shared between applications. These need to be soled by more universal hackers. You see that this component use low letters, so it is the one for the special cases. I hope that it makes sense. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question : FILEOPEN bug vs 'filters and storage' bug
Jochen píše v Čt 18. 04. 2013 v 14:42 +0200: Hi Rainer, Am 18.04.2013 14:22, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: well, they will be discouraged and deterred (because the have no idea concerning what problem that report might be), not prevented. Maybe... I can not follow your reasoning. An unconfirmed bug must be confirmed. IMHO many unconfirmed bug are not understandable respectively it makes a lot of work to ask (NEED INFO). This is not a special problem of new/other users. It is a problem of everyone reading the bugreport - also for advanced-QA-people. I thin that Rainer wanted to say that these components with lover case names have a special content. Normal users could not put bugs there by the bugzilla assistant. You need to understand the bug in more details to decide to put the bug into these components. By other words, I think that the bugs might be easy to reproduce and understand. The only more complicated thing is to decide whether this component should be used. Of course, there might be also hard to understand bugs if they are reported by developers and include only some implementation details. I hope that it makes some sense :-) Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
* Present: + Lionel, Andras, Kendy, Norbert, Ahmed, Joel, David, Michael M, Markus, Norbert, Bjoern, Thorsten, Stephan, Caolan, Michael S, Astron, Eike * Completed Action Items + ask Tollef to rename enable voting - IFF we don't get mailed (Bjoern) + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M) [ abandoned for now ] * Pending Action Items + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael) + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + Personas - update / de-couple built-in URL (Kendy) + [ really necessary, since the URL changed sooner than expected, needs to be in 4.0.3 ] + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + update mac SDK configure check on master (Norbert) [ ongoing problems with pure 10.6 and python builds ] + publish results of automated load testing (Markus) + test still running, ~80% done, layout regression found, + fixed a layout regression in master recently (Kendy) + a very recent build (Markus) + a build from yesterday morning may have issues + work on fixing automated load test issues (Kendy,Fridrich,Eike) + mass-move tweak of include paths (Bjoern) [ nice script already made ] * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.6 retrospective + went well, and lots of fixes distributed + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline is June 24th for rc1 + 4.0.3 rc1 status / rc2 ... + rc1 done, being up-loaded to mirrors, nearly there. + went well, fixed lots of bugs: 94 bugzilla numbers and 200 commits. + deadline for rc2 is - April 29th (~two weeks out) + 4.1 - feature-freeze: four weeks out: May 20th + on-line update 3.6.x - 3.6.6 patch would be appreciated like this one: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/website/commit/?h=updateid=bf50f98d806f4eee39c426de1050ac2dc1409381 * QA update (Joel) + 39 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage (Wow !) http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o (cf. topic in #libreoffice-qa) + actually at 140 (last week 260) - need a new link: + Move to: http://tinyurl.com/crxq9od + Unconfirmed blockers needing dev input: + Slideshow doesn't open: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62815 + multi-head presentation issue https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63580 + Webdav bugs against Version 4 + seem quite serious but we need confirmation, no one has this setup + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=287066short_desc=webdavquery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrproduct=LibreOffice + GSoC + can we encourage new people to get involved with QA to start with / triage a single bug ? AI: + add a suggestion to do a single bug triage to the GSOC requirements (Fridrich) + trying to improve policy, going to move forward with netbooks: need some Windows 8 machines in the team + several new names in the last couple of weeks + decided to set the QA meeting time in stone. + how to deal with hard-to-triage bugs + have been CC'ing devs / sending E-mail out. + some reported during 4.0 master, and no-one knows how to triage them. + eg. an error of some kind, but no reproducible steps ... AI: + find a good public test / webdav server (Thorsten) + Bugzilla E-mail gateway / quoting + discuss details in QA call ... + Tollef's great work (thanks to TDF funding) on bugzilla: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html + shows the QA heros: top bug closers, stats of opened / shut etc. * Research into un-closed regressions during the 3.6.x series (Bjeorn) + have done some stats, a rather hard query to unwind from bugzilla + found around 2 bugs that might be cross-minor regressions: + bar chart axis - but of a nighmarish number of commits + kendy's fix - ~trivial can be back-ported easily + ergo ~next-to-no still open regression during 3.6.x * UX input (Astron) + stepped-lines dialog - review was asked for AI: + be
[Libreoffice-qa] global headers move rename limit, RTL_CONTEXT (was: minutes of ESC call ...)
Hi, On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 03:54:19PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: AI: + get a number from Miklos/Bjoern for that (Bjoern) done on IRC: 16:45 Sweetshark shm_get: git status|grep renamed|wc -l after the move shows 2385 moved headers ... 16:45 @shm_get Sweetshark ok so a limit a 5K should be safe * Any objections to proposed RTL_LOGFILE changes (Bjoern) + no. pushed and EasyHackified: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63690 Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.3 RC1 available
Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first release candidate of our upcoming LibreOffice 4.0.3. This will be the third in a series of frequent updates to our feature-packed 4.0 branch. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.0.3 RC1 is not ready for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.0.2 for that. The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test - or checkout our manual test database for starting right away - http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/ For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can e.g. contribute code: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide or help with funding our operations: http://donate.libreoffice.org/ A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.0.3 RC1 is available from our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.0.3/RC1 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have been possible without your help. Yours, The Document Foundation Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
+ publish results of automated load testing (Markus) + test still running, ~80% done, layout regression found, + fixed a layout regression in master recently (Kendy) + a very recent build (Markus) + a build from yesterday morning may have issues + work on fixing automated load test issues (Kendy,Fridrich,Eike) The item is done and the list has been sent to the dev ML. I'll check if the infinite loop in the writer layout code is fixed by Kendy's commit. The current list has been generated with a workaround in the python script for this issue. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Exklusiver Urlaub an der schönen Adria
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] mailing list administration - SPAM Filters
Hi all, today I repaired a broken sender filter (what might have caused some additional SPAM on this list) and added some additional SPAM filter rules. Most of them will simply discard the messages, some of them hold the mails for moderation. @Florian: Please tell me if no. of moderation mails will become unreasonable Best regards Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
