Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] [Bug 70636] New: bug reporter pages are just plain fucked

[Tollef Fog Heen]

]] Rob Snelders 

> Hi Tollef,
> 
> We have a problem with a aggressive user on bugzilla. Can you remove
> the bug he made as well as the user?
> 
> The bug is 70636 and the user is "Fuck Registration"

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-users] Updating Whiteboard/Keyword Wiki - Need Input

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
I think make a sub-page called something like "Further Details" or
"Advanced" or "FAQ-QA" or something like that and then take all that
valuable work and dump it in their instead.  Then people getting to the
front page get the simple approach that assumes everything goes smoothly
and can click through to the advanced help if they need it.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 23 October 2013 02:46, Joel Madero  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm going to be updating the wiki for whiteboard and keyword to make it
> more legible. There has been talk about taking a minimilistic approach to
> the wiki, less formal, less "rules" (although we don't have rules, just
> guidelines), this vs. the "comprehensive, answers any question someone
> might have" approach. My question is, which is preferred? Should I strip
> the wiki to the minimum with very basic info or include the details needed
> where someone could technically use the wiki without additional input in a
> relatively cohesive way?
>
>
> Thanks all,
> Joel
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.3 RC2 test builds available

[Italo Vignoli]

On 10/23/13 11:35 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

> It is the last of two planned RCs

I will prepare the press release before the week end.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[Thomas Hackert]

Good morning Sophie, *,
On Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 19:11 Sophie wrote:
> Le 28/10/2013 16:19, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>> Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb "Thomas Hackert" :
>>> On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote:
 Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10)
["grep"ping the source code to find double used mnemonics]
>> Finding the place in the source code is not different from
>> finding bad mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in
>> pootle and there you have the reference. Or grep in the sources.
>> Search in opengrok might also be possible, but not sure whether
>> you need to escape the mnemonic marker/whether it includes the
>> character in the search index.
> 
> If you grep, just be aware that now there is two kinds of
> mnemonics:
> [~] for the previous dialogs, [_] for the ported to .ui dialogs.

Ah, O.K. Than my last question to Christian is answered. Thank you 
:)

> AFAIK, only the main menus are scripted, the others are placed by
> the dialog creator or the translators.

And what about the Start Center (like the double used "t" for the 
Tools menu and the Template Manager)? And I was only talking about 
the en-US version, not the localized one ... ;)
Have a nice morning
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[V Stuart Foote]

sophi wrote
> If you grep, just be aware that now there is two kinds of mnemonics:
> [~] for the previous dialogs, [_] for the ported to .ui dialogs.
> AFAIK, only the main menus are scripted, the others are placed by the
> dialog creator or the translators.

Yes that is correct. Unfortunately the legacy assignments with "~" pulled
from the various .xcu configurations are not being fully ported to their "_"
counter part for .ui configurations.

That currently leaves things in a bit of a mess.  Frankly, we no longer are
maintaining HIG and accelerators/shortcuts long established from OOo and our
LibreOffice practices.  The template manager and start center are two
examples of things breaking as we've implemented GTK based UI.

The current "documented" short-cuts and accelerators are published to Wiki
help, some UX-advise and Dev discipline is now needed to see that we
reestablish our published norms under the .ui configurations--or republish
user guides that match the "new" implementations (what ever those evolve
into).   Also, a gentle reminder that accelerator/short-cut implementation
really should be consistent cross platform.  Also, getting this right has
considerable impact on Accessibility and Assistive Technology support.

So, please review these published guides and consider the issue in that
context.

https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/General_Shortcut_Keys_in
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Shortcuts_Accessibility
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Navigating_and_Selecting_With_the_Keyboard




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[V Stuart Foote]

Pedro wrote
> One other request: your Tinderbox is not creating the txt files with the
> build info. Unfortunately this is the only element that allows QA to know
> from which TB each binary came from (before installing, obviously) so it
> is quite important that it is generated with the binary...

Not really a problem... just inconvenient.

Fortunately it is trivial to obtain the build details from the Tinderbox
Status Page -- either the Summary log or the Full log of each build.  To
locate, you only need to adjust from local time stamp to its UTC time stamp
to locate the correct log.

Unfortunately that  currently gives just a 48 hour rolling window showing
just the recent builds.  Once beyond that window and posted to the
corresponding TB directory on
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/  without the build text for
each msi package, there is no way to know what commit signature to use to
locate the build via cgit query --
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=

And at that point,  it is only when installed that the Dev build is tagged
with the final commit signature--viewable in the Help --> About as the Build
ID.  It might be helpful to extend to sliding window for the TB, maybe out
to  7 days.

Alternatively, it has always seemed unfortunate that the Build ID commit
signature is not exposed within the Windows MSI installer package.  Not sure
how difficult that would be to implement, but it would eliminate dependence
on the external logs and reinforce use of Git resources.
  



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Michael, ape


Michael Stahl-2 wrote
> iirc the MSVC runtime DLLs are installed into C:/Windows, and that does
> of course not happen when doing an "administrative installation" with
> MSI since that does not change C:/Windows.

That is what I figured. This means that parallel instals under Windows XP
will not work from now on unless the user previously installed MSVCR 2012...


Michael Stahl-2 wrote
> you can download the Visual Studio 2012 Redistributable (x86) from
> Microsoft and just install that.

Yes, I know that. I was just warning Florian Reisinger about this
limitation. Maybe SI GUI needs to have a warning or run some system check?
It probably makes sense to also add a warning to the Wiki page on Parallel
install?

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten


Thorsten Behrens wrote
> Can look into that - out of curiosity, why does that matter?

Firstly it makes it easier to automate download/installation using tools
such as Florian's SI GUI and secondly because when the user is browsing for
the Master installers (files are usually sorted by name), all other builds
are under M and yours are under L, which is obviously not a big problem,
just annoying :)

One other request: your Tinderbox is not creating the txt files with the
build info. Unfortunately this is the only element that allows QA to know
from which TB each binary came from (before installing, obviously) so it is
quite important that it is generated with the binary...

Ex:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Windows-x86@47-TDF/2013-10-15_13.31.21/


Thorsten Behrens wrote
>> Currently your tinderbox is the only one producing daily binaries from
>> the
>> Master branch for the Windows platform, so thank you for listening (and
>> for
>> fixing the capital X in the TB name)
>> 
> No prob - but I see up-to-date binaries in
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@42/current/ as
> well?

Ehr... Tinderbox #42 IS your tinderbox... And "current" is a virtual folder
pointing at the latest successful build :)
I don't see any other recent Windows Master builds in the other
tinderboxes...


Thorsten Behrens wrote
>> I don't know if this is deliberate but when doing a Custom install most
>> of
>> the components don't show up? (the user can only change the Optional
>> Components)
>> 
> No idea, but it may well be due to the fact the box is _not_ doing
> release builds, but rather ~minimal developer builds. Happy to tweak
> configure options (the very first line in the body part of the
> tinderbox detailed log), if there's consensus it is worthwhile.

Yes, but all previous minimal builds before the Optional Components allowed
the user to select LibreOfficeDev Program Modules... I'm just mentioning
this because it seems like a regression. If this won't affect the release
build installer then just forget I mentioned it ;)

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Thorsten Behrens]

Pedro wrote:
> Could you please rename the binaries in the Master branch so that
> they are named
> master~2013-10-27_23.53.26_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi
> like the other tinderboxes? (i.e. remove the libo- prefix which is
> redundant?)
> 
Can look into that - out of curiosity, why does that matter?

> Currently your tinderbox is the only one producing daily binaries from the
> Master branch for the Windows platform, so thank you for listening (and for
> fixing the capital X in the TB name)
> 
No prob - but I see up-to-date binaries in
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Win-x86@42/current/ as
well?

> I don't know if this is deliberate but when doing a Custom install most of
> the components don't show up? (the user can only change the Optional
> Components)
> 
No idea, but it may well be due to the fact the box is _not_ doing
release builds, but rather ~minimal developer builds. Happy to tweak
configure options (the very first line in the body part of the
tinderbox detailed log), if there's consensus it is worthwhile.

Thanks for the update!

Cheers,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[ape]

>(For Florian Reisinger) In addition, a parallel install will not work (under
Windows XP Pro x86 SP3) because of a missing MSVCR110.dll 
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Michael Stahl]

On 28/10/13 17:44, Pedro wrote:
> 
> (For Florian Reisinger) In addition, a parallel install will not work (under
> Windows XP Pro x86 SP3) because of a missing MSVCR110.dll
> Probably the installer doesn't go through that step when doing a parallel
> install?

iirc the MSVC runtime DLLs are installed into C:/Windows, and that does
of course not happen when doing an "administrative installation" with
MSI since that does not change C:/Windows.

you can download the Visual Studio 2012 Redistributable (x86) from
Microsoft and just install that.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hi Christian, *,
On Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 16:19 Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb "Thomas Hackert" :
>> On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote:
>> > Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10)
[…] Is there a possibility to report this as
>> >> fast and easy as possible?
> 
> Fastest one would be to skip the bug report and instead push a
> patch to gerrit.

do I not need commit rights to do it ;? The other prob is, that I 
have no programming experience, so I am not really sure, if I am 
able to help ... :(

Should I open a new bug for every
>> >> found one?
> 
> No, that doesn't make sense.

O.K.

> You would need to create a list of the menu items to decide what
> entry will get the most natural one and what entries get second
> choice or autogenerated one.

But how should I know, which one "will get the most natural one"? 
And again, how should I know, which one are autogenerated and which 
one are coded?

> From my POV it is also important to keep familiar keystrokes
> intact, so newly added items should get an automatically assigned
> one unless there is a reason not to.

O.K.

> Finding the place in the source code is not different from finding
> bad mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in pootle and
> there you have the reference. Or grep in the sources. Search in
> opengrok might also be possible, but not sure whether you need to
> escape the mnemonic marker/whether it includes the character in
> the search index.

Do I remember it right, that there are two different mnemonics? "~" 
and "_"? Or are there more, which I do not know yet?
Have a nice evening
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[Sophie]

Hi Thomas,
Le 28/10/2013 16:19, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> Hi Thomas, *,
> 
> Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb "Thomas Hackert" :
>> Good morning Cor, *,
>> On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote:
>>> Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10)
 […] Is there a possibility to report this as
 fast and easy as possible?
> 
> Fastest one would be to skip the bug report and instead push a patch to
> gerrit.
> 
 Should I open a new bug for every
 found one?
> 
> No, that doesn't make sense.
> 
> You would need to create a list of the menu items to decide what entry will
> get the most natural one and what entries get second choice or
> autogenerated one.
> 
> From my POV it is also important to keep familiar keystrokes intact, so
> newly added items should get an automatically assigned one unless there is
> a reason not to.
> 
> Finding the place in the source code is not different from finding bad
> mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in pootle and there you have
> the reference. Or grep in the sources. Search in opengrok might also be
> possible, but not sure whether you need to escape the mnemonic
> marker/whether it includes the character in the search index.

If you grep, just be aware that now there is two kinds of mnemonics:
[~] for the previous dialogs, [_] for the ported to .ui dialogs.
AFAIK, only the main menus are scripted, the others are placed by the
dialog creator or the translators.
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The garbage into the dev-builds.libreoffice.org

[Pedro]

Hi Thorsten, Florian R.


Thorsten Behrens wrote
> So feel free to poke me (one of the tinderbox admins) in the
> future.

Poke :)

Could you please rename the binaries in the Master branch so that they are
named
master~2013-10-27_23.53.26_LibreOfficeDev_4.2.0.0.alpha0_Win_x86.msi
like the other tinderboxes? (i.e. remove the libo- prefix which is
redundant?)

Currently your tinderbox is the only one producing daily binaries from the
Master branch for the Windows platform, so thank you for listening (and for
fixing the capital X in the TB name)

I don't know if this is deliberate but when doing a Custom install most of
the components don't show up? (the user can only change the Optional
Components)

(For Florian Reisinger) In addition, a parallel install will not work (under
Windows XP Pro x86 SP3) because of a missing MSVCR110.dll
Probably the installer doesn't go through that step when doing a parallel
install?

Best regards,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Thomas, *,

Am 28.10.2013 05:13 schrieb "Thomas Hackert" :
> Good morning Cor, *,
> On Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013 18:37 Cor Nouws wrote:
> > Thomas Hackert wrote (18-10-13 10:10)
>>>[…] Is there a possibility to report this as
> >> fast and easy as possible?

Fastest one would be to skip the bug report and instead push a patch to
gerrit.

>>>Should I open a new bug for every
> >> found one?

No, that doesn't make sense.

You would need to create a list of the menu items to decide what entry will
get the most natural one and what entries get second choice or
autogenerated one.

>From my POV it is also important to keep familiar keystrokes intact, so
newly added items should get an automatically assigned one unless there is
a reason not to.

Finding the place in the source code is not different from finding bad
mnemonics in a translation. Look up the entry in pootle and there you have
the reference. Or grep in the sources. Search in opengrok might also be
possible, but not sure whether you need to escape the mnemonic
marker/whether it includes the character in the search index.

Ciao
Christian
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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.3 RC2 available

[Christian Lohmaier]

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release
candidate of LibreOffice 4.1.3. The upcoming 4.1.3 will be the third
in a sequence of frequent bugfix releases for our feature-packed 4.1
line. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.1.3 RC2 is not been flagged as ready
for production use yet, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.1.2 for that.

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org

A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:

 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
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  http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/

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or help with funding our operations:

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Cor, *,
On Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 09:37 Cor Nouws wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote (28-10-13 04:54)
[mnemonics auto-generated or added by code?]
>> But how do I know, if they were added in the code or were auto-
>> generated?
> 
> Hmm, I think most default buttons work like that and part of the
> menu's But it can be seen in the source of course.

But only, /if/ you can read the code ... ;) And I cannot, sorry ... 
:(

>>> Unless you know who is working on that area, then an issue may
>>> be superfluous?
>>
>> I have not the faintest idea, sorry ... :(
> 
> Me neither most of the time.
> Thus just ask on irc or the list, I would say.

O.K. Maybe someone else here on the list can tell me/us ... ;)

> (Also, since regular localisers are working in this erea too,
> there must be some among them that have experience, I would
> expect.)

O.K.
Thank you for your answer
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to report double used and/or not "working as expected" mnemonics?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Hackert wrote (28-10-13 04:54)


As far as I know, there are mnemonics that are added in the code
and ones that are auto-generated.


O.K.


For the first ones, I would make an issue for those that are in
the same menu or window combined.


But how do I know, if they were added in the code or were auto-
generated?


Hmm, I think most default buttons work like that and part of the menu's
But it can be seen in the source of course.


Unless you know who is working on that area, then an issue may be
superfluous?


I have not the faintest idea, sorry ... :(


Me neither most of the time.
Thus just ask on irc or the list, I would say.

(Also, since regular localisers are working in this erea too, there must 
be some among them that have experience, I would expect.)


Cheers,
Cor

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