Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ownCloud for Bugzilla - IMHO a no go

2013-12-04 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, bjoern  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 05:48:54PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>> Idly wondering - are we fixing the right problem? How often does the
>> case arise, what's the size distribution of those huge files, and is
>> it really necessary to store those eternally?
>
> So _if_ this happens once in eternity, the wiki should be fine. If this 
> happens
> regularly we should look into it more deeply.

It's hard to know how big a problem this is because the filesize limit
on bugzilla is absolute, and there's no integrated documentation
telling people to upload large files elsewhere...so some number of
people undoubtedly give up.

> I honestly rather assume the first to be the case, given that there are 6000
> files on the wiki and skimming the biggest files(*) shows some (maybe 10?)
> testcases uploaded there, but most of the big files are actually other stuff
> (e.g. talkyoo mp3). Also, there are only about 250 files bigger than the
> current bugzilla limit (3MB) at all.

IIRC, Rainer set up the wiki page to host files that wouldn't fit in
Bugzilla. I can't recall if the logs indicated that anyone else used
the wiki for this purpose, if documentation was made available, etc.

I do remember a couple of instances in which we couldn't upload files
to Bugzilla due to size, and I have talked to users or seen comments
in bug reports "File too big to upload to bugzilla" so this isn't just
a theoretical problem anymore.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
> My strong proposal is therefore to raise the attachment limit in our own
> BugZilla instance when it's ready. By that, files are in the same tool, tied
> to the same user accounts, and therefore also in the same backup.

Sounds great to me. I would suggest we have some kind of fallback
plan, even if it's "File too big to upload? Please see if you can
shrink it in size or compress it before upload. If all else fails,
please email us at
". There will
always be corner cases, and it might be worth our time to keep an eye
on them.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Florian Effenberger
 wrote:
> My strong proposal is therefore to raise the attachment limit in our own
> BugZilla instance when it's ready. By that, files are in the same tool, tied
> to the same user accounts, and therefore also in the same backup.
>
> I don't now how long the BugZilla migration will take. If it's just a short
> period of time, we can stay with ownCloud _TEMPORARILY_ and for a _LIMITED_
> amount of time, and then directly host things at BugZilla.
>
> Only if it will take too long, options #3-#6 look worthwhile to me.

We are ready on our side to make the migration:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal

Cloph passed along word from Tollef that he "hopes to get the first
half done til the weekend," but also mentioned that [Tollef] is
extremely busy and the migration is still in the planning phase.

I'd suggest that we add the "File too big to upload?" message to FDO
right now, were it not for the fact that such a request would take
more time away from Tollef.

So...I don't have a great answer. I guess I'd say "punt" and hope
that we get some traction on migration this month.

Best,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ownCloud for Bugzilla - IMHO a no go

2013-12-04 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

bjoern wrote on 2013-12-03 14:57:


That is ouf course intended in the end. But up until then the Wiki is still a
better choice than ownCloud as most people already have accounts there.


yes, _UNTIL THEN_, the wiki is better, as I don't have to manually 
approve accounts there. Emphasizing the "until then" part so heavily, so 
it's clear to everyone. ;-)



And no matter to which value we will raise the limit in the new Bugzilla, there
always will be freaky corner cases that might need more space. As essentially
everything in bugzilla is there for eternity, we shouldnt raise the limit too
high. So in the end, we need some form of storage anyway.


Exactly that is the reason why the wiki is not the best solution in the 
long run either. Anything there is also for eternity, the database 
grows, we need larger backup storages - it is kind of a domino effect, 
unneeded for simply file storage. We share the same pain here. ;-)



As the wiki has a rather high limit (25MB) and it should be possible to delete
stuff again from there (right?), it doesnt look too bad a fallback to me for


No, not totally, "some" database entries are always there in the end, so 
"deleting" is not the right word. :)



So _if_ we are using a solution that kinda sucks, we should use _one_ (wiki) and
not two (wiki and ownCloud).


Yes, I agree, as long as it is temporarily.


Yes, account creation makes all these a stillborn. For it is easier to tell the
reporter to upload to his dropbox/UbuntuOne/Whatever and us to pick it up from 
there.


I am of course happy with that as well, just as I am with other 
proposals. My only requirement is that uploading (not downloading) must 
be authenticated to avoid abuse, and that this authentication must be 
encrypted, which effectively rules out FTP. Towards anything else, I am 
open, of course.



IMHO no. The wiki was used before for this, so lets not throw in another tool
into the mix -- so lets roll back on ownCloud usage for this, and _stay_ with
the wiki. Not because its the right solution, but because we introduced that
already and we dont have anything better right now. Aka: lets not stack one
temporary bandaid storage on top of another temporary bandaid storage. Lets
stick with the first temporary bandaid (wiki).


I agree.


IMHO, the best solution we could hope for is something helping us like this
- to let the enduser upload the file in question to the Dropbox-equivalent of 
his choice


I agree so far.


- then have a TDF service where our QA guys can throw an URL at (via email, 
webinterface, ssh login)
- this service then downloads the file and saves it for us on our mirror


Is that really required? It requires some development time (and 
everybody knows I lack those skills :-) - if it's temporarily anyways, 
why not just grabbing the file from Dropbox & co.?



Oh, and welcome to the world of http://www.xkcd.com/1172/ ;)


:D

Florian (confused that reply-to-all on this lists does not include the 
original sender... so if you reply, Cc me manually)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Squashtest

2013-12-04 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Sophie  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As I'm really not happy that Moztrap doesn't handle localization, I'm
> still searching for a replacement in the future. I've been pointed to
> Squash, the site is here:
> http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/squash-tm-25664/squash-tm-overview
> where at least the UI is fully localizable. It handles manual test and
> even automated tests and run on different versions and projects.
> License is LGPLv3 after a version is one year old and it's written in Java.
> I'll approach the company developing it to see how it could handles test
> localization and will keep you informed. You can run an online demo if
> you wish and don't hesitate to give me your feedback.

Looks interesting -- I'm not that involved with manual tests right
now, so I defer to your technical wisdom here.

As you mentioned, the company is using a "delayed-open-source-release" model:
http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/squash-tm-25664/sources-licence-squashtm

What this might mean is that we can't (easily) upstream any
changes/improvements to the software. I don't know how much we've
customized MozTrap thusfar, but as long as we keep the source of our
webapps in git (as well as any modifications thereof), I guess we can
re-apply our changes on top of new versions without too much hassle.
We could ask Cloph/Floeff their thoughts on the topic.

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Squashtest

2013-12-04 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Sophie, *,
On Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013 17:08 Sophie wrote:
> As I'm really not happy that Moztrap doesn't handle localization,

me neither, but ...

> I'm still searching for a replacement in the future. I've been
> pointed to Squash, the site is here:
> http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/squash-tm-25664/squash-tm-overview
> where at least the UI is fully localizable.

If I understood their page right, you do not only need the Squash-
TM, but also the Squash-SC, Squash-Data and Squash-TA as well to 
localise your tests, or am I wrong?

> It handles manual test
> and even automated tests and run on different versions and
> projects.

Well, maybe on their system ... ;)

> License is LGPLv3 after a version is one year old and
> it's written in Java. I'll approach the company developing it to
> see how it could handles test localization and will keep you
> informed. You can run an online demo if you wish and don't
> hesitate to give me your feedback. Cheers

I made the mistake to download their Squash-TM package 
(http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/downloads/finish/17-version-stable/83-squash-tm-1-7-5-windows-mac-linux-tar-gz),
 unpacked it and 
started bin/startup.sh (as described on 
https://sites.google.com/a/henix.fr/wiki-squash-tm/installation-and-exploitation-guide/3---run-and-stop-squash-tm).
 But after nearly 
three minutes I was not able to do anything, as my /tmp directory 
was up to 100% ... :( And a restart of my system leads to an 
nonfunctional system (or better say: A system with no X, though KDM 
was running) ... :( If you really want to install it on one of the 
TDF servers, please test it first at your own system (one, that has 
more power / is newer than mine etc. ... ;) ). I only found the 
solution to reinstall my Debian, as all tips I found online did not 
help here ... :(
HTH
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Squashtest

2013-12-04 Thread Sophie
Hi Thomas,
Le 04/12/2013 14:17, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
> Hello Sophie, *,
> On Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013 17:08 Sophie wrote:
>> As I'm really not happy that Moztrap doesn't handle localization,
> 
> me neither, but ...
> 
>> I'm still searching for a replacement in the future. I've been
>> pointed to Squash, the site is here:
>> http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/squash-tm-25664/squash-tm-overview
>> where at least the UI is fully localizable.
> 
> If I understood their page right, you do not only need the Squash-
> TM, but also the Squash-SC, Squash-Data and Squash-TA as well to 
> localise your tests, or am I wrong?

I'm not sure you need all the suite. But I don't see a mechanism where
if the source language of the test is updated, the translated test is
informed. There is a doc about UI here:
https://sites.google.com/a/henix.fr/wiki-squash-tm/developer/04---developer-s-guide/internationalization-guidelines
> 
>> It handles manual test
>> and even automated tests and run on different versions and
>> projects.
> 
> Well, maybe on their system ... ;)
> 
>> License is LGPLv3 after a version is one year old and
>> it's written in Java. I'll approach the company developing it to
>> see how it could handles test localization and will keep you
>> informed. You can run an online demo if you wish and don't
>> hesitate to give me your feedback. Cheers
> 
> I made the mistake to download their Squash-TM package 
> (http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/downloads/finish/17-version-stable/83-squash-tm-1-7-5-windows-mac-linux-tar-gz),
>  unpacked it and 
> started bin/startup.sh (as described on 
> https://sites.google.com/a/henix.fr/wiki-squash-tm/installation-and-exploitation-guide/3---run-and-stop-squash-tm).
>  But after nearly 
> three minutes I was not able to do anything, as my /tmp directory 
> was up to 100% ... :( And a restart of my system leads to an 
> nonfunctional system (or better say: A system with no X, though KDM 
> was running) ... :( If you really want to install it on one of the 
> TDF servers, please test it first at your own system (one, that has 
> more power / is newer than mine etc. ... ;) ). I only found the 
> solution to reinstall my Debian, as all tips I found online did not 
> help here ... :(

Ho, I'm really sorry you had to reinstall your system, this is really
not a good point for this software :( but thank you very much for your
tests and your feedback. I'll keep you informed when I'll meet the
developers.
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Squashtest

2013-12-04 Thread Thomas Hackert
Hello Sophie, *,
On Mittwoch, 4. Dezember 2013 15:00 Sophie wrote:
> Le 04/12/2013 14:17, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
>> On Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2013 17:08 Sophie wrote:

>>> I'm still searching for a replacement in the future. I've been
>>> pointed to Squash, the site is here:
>>> http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/squash-tm-25664/squash-tm-overview
>>> where at least the UI is fully localizable.
>> 
>> If I understood their page right, you do not only need the
>> Squash- TM, but also the Squash-SC, Squash-Data and Squash-TA as
>> well to localise your tests, or am I wrong?
> 
> I'm not sure you need all the suite.

well, on the site you linked above, they write

Squash TM and other modules

Squash TM is the central element of the Squash toolset. It interacts 
with :

Squash TA for the automation part (run of automated tests 
campaign and consolidation of results),
Squash Data for data management (automatic injection of data set 
for manual test)
Squash SC for the management of planning and resources.

, so I think, we will need at least SC and Data ... ;)

> But I don't see a mechanism
> where if the source language of the test is updated, the
> translated test is informed. There is a doc about UI here:
> https://sites.google.com/a/henix.fr/wiki-squash-tm/developer/04---developer-s-guide/internationalization-guidelines

Well, yes ... But this documentation is for devs, who want to help 
developing Squash TM, not for for users, who want to translate their 
tests in different languages ... ;)


>>> License is LGPLv3 after a version is one year old and
>>> it's written in Java. I'll approach the company developing it to
>>> see how it could handles test localization and will keep you
>>> informed. You can run an online demo if you wish and don't
>>> hesitate to give me your feedback. Cheers
>> 
>> I made the mistake to download their Squash-TM package
>> (http://www.squashtest.org/index.php/en/downloads/finish/17-version-stable/83-squash-tm-1-7-5-windows-mac-linux-tar-gz),
>> unpacked it and started bin/startup.sh (as described on
>> https://sites.google.com/a/henix.fr/wiki-squash-tm/installation-and-exploitation-guide/3---run-and-stop-squash-tm).
>> But after nearly three minutes I was not able to do anything, as
>> my /tmp directory was up to 100% ... :( And a restart of my
>> system leads to an nonfunctional system (or better say: A system
>> with no X, though KDM was running) ... :( If you really want to
>> install it on one of the TDF servers, please test it first at
>> your own system (one, that has more power / is newer than mine
>> etc. ... ;) ). I only found the solution to reinstall my Debian,
>> as all tips I found online did not help here ... :(
> 
> Ho, I'm really sorry you had to reinstall your system, this is
> really not a good point for this software :( but thank you very
> much for your tests and your feedback. I'll keep you informed when
> I'll meet the developers.

Yes, please :)
Greetings
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta1 test builds available

2013-12-04 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 23/11/13 17:47, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

>  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/

Hi, I have downloaded and installed the Mac version, but once installed
- apparently without problems - when I double click the icon I get the
message that the program is damaged and should be thrashed.

I have repeated the procedure three times, with the same results. I am
running MacOS X Mavericks on a brand new MacBook Air (latest hardware
and OS, with 4GB of RAM).

Has anyone else experienced the same problem?

Thanks, Italo

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta1 test builds available

2013-12-04 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Italo Vignoli  wrote:
> On 23/11/13 17:47, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
>
>>  http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/
>
> Hi, I have downloaded and installed the Mac version, but once installed
> - apparently without problems - when I double click the icon I get the
> message that the program is damaged and should be thrashed.

Did you install a language-pack ? _before_ running Libreoffice for the
first time ?

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta1 test builds available

2013-12-04 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 04/12/13 17:12, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:

> Did you install a language-pack ? _before_ running Libreoffice for the
> first time ?

To install LO 4.2 Beta you must get rid of the security check for
applications, and allow applications downloaded from everywhere. Beta is
probably not yet signed.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta1 test builds available

2013-12-04 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Italo Vignoli  wrote:
> On 04/12/13 17:12, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
>
>> Did you install a language-pack ? _before_ running Libreoffice for the
>> first time ?
>
> To install LO 4.2 Beta you must get rid of the security check for
> applications, and allow applications downloaded from everywhere. Beta is
> probably not yet signed.

actually it _is_ signed...
it is not a --enable-release-build yet... (which change the name for
LODev.app to LibreOffice.app)
but I do have --enable-macsox-code-signing='' in the conf I use to
do the release build

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug in Fax-Wizard of LibO 4.1.4 and 4.2.-beta (was: Re: Issue with Fax-Wizard in current Build)

2013-12-04 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello,

Am 03.12.2013 23:13, schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Hello,
>
> I tried to create a new fax with the wizard. I choose a business fax in
> classic style from private. Before I did that I added my personal data
> including email address and private phone number to the tools-options
> menu. The fax was created but there were only my address in the header
> and the placeholder on the left side. The fields on the right side were
> blank (no personal data, e.g. no phone number, email address).
>
> I tested this with my own build from the current source (Version:
> 4.3.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: b40dcdf4f5a03b71fe9e45f8f24fcaf25fd2febf)
I tested the wizard with LibreOffice 4.1.4-1 (from our repo) and
4.2.0-beta on my openSuSE 12.3-x64 and I got the same experience:

My name is missing in the header of the fax. The header contains only:
street with number, city, zip-code.
Besides the missing name the city and zip-code are in the wrong order
(  without comma is the correct order).

Then the fields on the right side of the body are empty (there are only
the title of the fields: 'Fax:', 'Tel.:', 'E-Mail:'). There is no
information about the from above this fields.

The language setting of the created fax document is English (USA) and
should be German.

Once I called the wizard I got a preview of the fax with my name in the
header and on the right side of the body.

The fax wizard is nearly useless in this shape and we should fix this.

I recommend that we run tests on all the wizards in Writer and fix
located bugs (not only in 4.2 but also in 4.1.x).

Regards,
Andreas

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[Libreoffice-qa] MacOSX bibisect for 4-2

2013-12-04 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
a bibisect repo covering the 4-2 period from the branch point of the
4.1 release branch to few days ago on the libreoffcie-4-2 branch is
now available at

git://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/bibisect_mac_lo42.git

a tar.bz2 snapshot of the repo is available for http download at
http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/MacOS_Bibibsect/

That repo contains 2732 build for 5.42 GB
starting at
commit 02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4
Author: Noel Grandin 
Date:   Tue May 21 13:52:07 2013 +0200

fdo#46808, Convert oox::PowerPointExport service to new style

The service already existed, it just needed an IDL file

Change-Id: I1404f4f60abafd489ddfb7294affcc7ff33885ce

and ending at

commit 80373a6969fd8d3c19231041e465372cf03f53f2
Author: Markus Mohrhard 
Date:   Sun Dec 1 04:45:36 2013 +0100

fix 2D vs 3D coordinatesystem regression, fdo#67300

regression from 088e86b865062dd4cc5ba0c85c6068dea62238db

Note the log of that repo looks like:

commit c5b9a799f9d24eba970966f1afabfe931574e933
Author: Norbert Thiebaud 
Date:   Tue Dec 3 12:48:46 2013 -0600

source sha:80373a6969fd8d3c19231041e465372cf03f53f2

source sha:80373a6969fd8d3c19231041e465372cf03f53f2
source sha:666ef5425e4e7e1a01c3dddbd0d847fec193176a
source sha:b9410131861af3a5f54d0585dfc47e5f512e0320
source sha:d0f664014d02e02fbcfa80c118a0950f45513ada
source sha:5ce4d7233fa3ea627cfbdc97a68d2b23e4abd057
source sha:1fee10725dbd62e78fd3ae14f0bd7872eabff3f9
source sha:78f227e1371ef4d11bc98e2116a3b95bb881b020
source sha:642df5d716f858f1f6b3d6219132c3323032975a
source sha:79384a8f6049d10fd581e782deb57db653ac1a25
source sha:ca1dfd2119d97f949e76766b98d2917c40ccf92c

commit 91bba033d12008dcefb0258b79365668a557e04b
Author: Norbert Thiebaud 
Date:   Tue Dec 3 12:48:00 2013 -0600

source sha:829621680b028909d58b0480a78a6aee7154f31a

source sha:829621680b028909d58b0480a78a6aee7154f31a
source sha:be6bed2ca4083039bfcbd62f9603efa3a0bdd3dc
source sha:7646af0e114d0a644e4705bba3ab4219bb99a349
source sha:3367381d2b579d90b209756f9ec5c06b012e9798
source sha:6e5dc4c7a344d9c3530a69537929090dedb8f275


where the first source sha: line is the source cha that was used to
build that particular bibisect commit
and the rest of the commit message list the source commit that are
between taht bibisect commit and the previous bibisect commit

To find a bibisect commit that first contain a given source sha, you
can therefore use

git log --grep 

to find the source sha asocaited witht he first commit of the bibisect repo do
git log --grep BEGIN_BIBISECT

v $git log --grep BEGIN_BIBISECT
commit e47ec366529846e008a4db27c8c507cdc7714c78
Author: Norbert Thiebaud 
Date:   Sun Nov 10 19:12:32 2013 -0600

source sha:02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4

source sha:02021163dbbcc8904da0b2138c8b53684dcc8ab4
tag:BEGIN_BIBISECT


Happy bibisecting

Norbert
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