[Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes 2014-05-05

[Robinson Tryon]

Hi all,

We had a great QA Meeting today; it was great to hear from both new
and long-term contributors on the call! Meeting agenda and minutes are
available on the meeting page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2014/May_05

Our next meeting is (tentatively) scheduled for May 19th, but may be
re-scheduled to make sure that more contributors may attend. For the
agenda of the next meeting, see:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2014/May_19

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Running LO 4.3 alpha in Windows XP...

[V Stuart Foote]

Pedro, *,
Pre-release Windows build of
Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1
Build ID: 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781

Was definitely broken as in 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77891   , not
sure of the exact reason, but it is NOT isolated to Windows XP. Also, prior
and subsequent Tinder Box nightly builds do work correctly on Windows XP.

Would you please take a moment and install one of the current builds on you
XP system(s) and confirm.

Regards,

Stuart





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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Something wrong with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86

[V Stuart Foote]

Tested on Windows 7 sp1, 64-bit en-US with

Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: d09d75167d77adcc8538c5cc5d8fe6bac6091ca1
TinderBox: Win-x86@42, Branch:master, Time: 2014-05-05_23:04:20

All seems to be corrected now.





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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Redmine Website QA Suggestions

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 02:16:15PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> So the first question is for the default download page - are we
> generally agreed that "stable" should be the default?

Im disagreeing there. The only reason "stable" is more settled than "fresh" is
that we have so many people downloading "fresh" and allowing us to solve these
issues. As such, making "stable" the default would only result in lowering the
quality of "stable", while ~nobody runs "fresh" and there is no option for
those seeking a more conservative alternative to the default download. This is
a lose-lose change.

If you want to help improving how refined the default download is, do so by
promoting and participating in testing of alpha and beta builds.

Best,

Bjoern
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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.4 RC2 available

[Christian Lohmaier]

Dear Community,

The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release
candidate of LibreOffice 4.2.4. The upcoming 4.2.4 will be the fourth
in a sequence of frequent bugfix releases for our feature-packed 4.2
line. Feel free to give it a try instead of 4.2.3. Conservative users
should continue to use LibreOffice 4.1.6

The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
builds download page at

  http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/

Developers and QA might also be interested in the symbol server for
windows debug information (see the release notes linked below for
details)

Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:

  https://bugs.freedesktop.org

A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:

 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test

For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
e.g. contribute code:

  http://www.libreoffice.org/community/developers/

translate LibreOffice to your language:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide

or help with funding our operations:

  http://donate.libreoffice.org/

A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.2.4 RC2 is available
from our wiki:

  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.2.4/RC2

Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have
been possible without your help.

On behalf of the Community,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Redmine Website QA Suggestions

[Jay Philips]

Hi Joel,

Yes i agree stable should be default, but with some indication that 
users can get fresh if they are interested in more 'fresh' code. :)


Jay Philips

On 05/06/2014 01:16 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

Per our discussion, here is a single thread where I think we should
discuss suggestions to make the website clearer and then one of us (I'll
volunteer if no one else does...) can go to redmine to offer the
suggestion. This way we aren't offering contradictory suggestions.

So the first question is for the default download page - are we
generally agreed that "stable" should be the default?


Best,
Joel

P.S. Note that ultimately marketing and infra will be the ones deciding,
these will just be "QA suggestions"  ;)
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[Libreoffice-qa] Redmine Website QA Suggestions

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

Per our discussion, here is a single thread where I think we should
discuss suggestions to make the website clearer and then one of us (I'll
volunteer if no one else does...) can go to redmine to offer the
suggestion. This way we aren't offering contradictory suggestions.

So the first question is for the default download page - are we
generally agreed that "stable" should be the default?


Best,
Joel

P.S. Note that ultimately marketing and infra will be the ones deciding,
these will just be "QA suggestions"  ;)
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DOCX Test 4 Results

[Jay Philips]

Hi Joel,

Yes someone else suggested that as well which i will be doing. Any 
particular specs your looking for?


Jay Philips

On 05/05/2014 08:56 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

On future reports will you try to include your computer specs (most
importantly your OS) :)


Best,
Joel




On 05/05/2014 01:03 AM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi Joel,

Its been done. :)

Jay Philips

On 05/05/2014 02:48 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

Ah - okay new plan. CC me on every regression and put
"bibisectrequest" in whiteboard. I'll do the bibisecting :)


Best,
Joel



On 05/04/2014 02:02 PM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi Joel,

I think i hit my first snag as i dont run 64-bit linux. :(

Jay Philips

On 05/04/2014 08:48 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Nice! Thanks for offering to try. First thing is to download the
very large package (8.4 gigs) -
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions

You'll want the "42all" version - you can download from either TDF
or Canonical servers.

Let me know if you need help and I'll try to do what I can. The
wiki is pretty solid but sometimes I hit snags that require finagling.

Best,
Joel


On 05/04/2014 02:52 AM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi,

No i haven't bibisected before, but can give it a try.

Jay Philips

On 05/04/2014 06:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

have you bibisected before? if not, are you willing to try? it helps
tremendously for regressions.


Best,
Joel


On 05/03/2014 11:30 AM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi Joel,

I'm running on Linux. All the regressions i've found can be pulled
from this list of my bug reports <
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=short_desc&emailreporter1=1&list_id=420031&o1=substring&emailtype1=substring&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&email1=philipz85%40hotmail.com&v1=regression&product=LibreOffice

Jay Philips

On 05/03/2014 09:49 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hey Jay,

Are you running Windows or Linux? I'd like to get some
bibisects of
these if possible (the ones where you say it's a regression)


Best,
Joel


On 05/02/2014 10:14 PM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi All,

I just wanted to share with you all the results of my latest
extended .docx test and hope its okay to do so here in the
mailing
list.

file url:
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/customerevidence/Files/71003670/Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise.docx


file contents: chinese language, text and images, 6 pages, 230Kb

Results

* docx & doc - paragraph spacing is off [reported]
-
* export doc, docx strict, docx trans, odt - perfect as same
as input
* export rtf - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and
regression in
font color not retained [4.2 only] [reported]
* exports in word 2010 - all look good except doc/docx have a few
bullet points with text on the following line [reported]
-
* kingsoft doc export - using Sinsum rather than Microsoft Yahei,
blue colored text appeared in green, image centered rather than
being left aligned, and second image had text wrapping on when it
should have been off [reported]
* kingsoft docx export - paragraph spacing is off
* kingsoft rtf export - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and
not
openable in versions below 4.1 [reported]
-
* word 2013/2010 doc, docx trans, docx strict, rtf export -
paragraph and line spacing is off
* word 2013/2010 odt export - table type lines appeared on the
page
which are not visible in calligra words [reported]


Rating: B as opening/saving rtf/doc had font and image
problems, as
well as problems with opening ms word odt file


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Something wrong with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86

[m.a.riosv]

Hi Stuart,
thanks for the quick answer.



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[Libreoffice-qa] Something wrong with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86

[m.a.riosv]

Hi all,

beside the recent thread of Pedro "Running LO 4.3 alpha in Windows XP...",
I have just reported a crash bug in "Menu/Tools/Options/Language settings"
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78266,
where I comment it's no possible to access the "Menu/Tools/Options" with
master~2014-05-04_06.34.33_LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Win_x86,
this is what I see

 



I have just verified that other submenus show the same issue as
Menu/File/Wizard/Letter.

Maybe something has been introduced lately.
Miguel Ángel.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DOCX Test 4 Results

[Joel Madero]

On future reports will you try to include your computer specs (most
importantly your OS) :)


Best,
Joel




On 05/05/2014 01:03 AM, Jay Philips wrote:
> Hi Joel,
>
> Its been done. :)
>
> Jay Philips
>
> On 05/05/2014 02:48 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>> Ah - okay new plan. CC me on every regression and put
>> "bibisectrequest" in whiteboard. I'll do the bibisecting :)
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/04/2014 02:02 PM, Jay Philips wrote:
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I think i hit my first snag as i dont run 64-bit linux. :(
>>>
>>> Jay Philips
>>>
>>> On 05/04/2014 08:48 PM, Joel Madero wrote:
 Nice! Thanks for offering to try. First thing is to download the
 very large package (8.4 gigs) -
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions

 You'll want the "42all" version - you can download from either TDF
 or Canonical servers.

 Let me know if you need help and I'll try to do what I can. The
 wiki is pretty solid but sometimes I hit snags that require finagling.

 Best,
 Joel


 On 05/04/2014 02:52 AM, Jay Philips wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No i haven't bibisected before, but can give it a try.
>
> Jay Philips
>
> On 05/04/2014 06:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>> have you bibisected before? if not, are you willing to try? it helps
>> tremendously for regressions.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> On 05/03/2014 11:30 AM, Jay Philips wrote:
>>> Hi Joel,
>>>
>>> I'm running on Linux. All the regressions i've found can be pulled
>>> from this list of my bug reports <
>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=short_desc&emailreporter1=1&list_id=420031&o1=substring&emailtype1=substring&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&email1=philipz85%40hotmail.com&v1=regression&product=LibreOffice
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Jay Philips
>>>
>>> On 05/03/2014 09:49 PM, Joel Madero wrote:
 Hey Jay,

 Are you running Windows or Linux? I'd like to get some
 bibisects of
 these if possible (the ones where you say it's a regression)


 Best,
 Joel


 On 05/02/2014 10:14 PM, Jay Philips wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just wanted to share with you all the results of my latest
> extended .docx test and hope its okay to do so here in the
> mailing
> list.
>
> file url:
> http://download.microsoft.com/documents/customerevidence/Files/71003670/Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise.docx
>
>
> file contents: chinese language, text and images, 6 pages, 230Kb
>
> Results
> 
> * docx & doc - paragraph spacing is off [reported]
> -
> * export doc, docx strict, docx trans, odt - perfect as same
> as input
> * export rtf - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and
> regression in
> font color not retained [4.2 only] [reported]
> * exports in word 2010 - all look good except doc/docx have a few
> bullet points with text on the following line [reported]
> -
> * kingsoft doc export - using Sinsum rather than Microsoft Yahei,
> blue colored text appeared in green, image centered rather than
> being left aligned, and second image had text wrapping on when it
> should have been off [reported]
> * kingsoft docx export - paragraph spacing is off
> * kingsoft rtf export - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and
> not
> openable in versions below 4.1 [reported]
> -
> * word 2013/2010 doc, docx trans, docx strict, rtf export -
> paragraph and line spacing is off
> * word 2013/2010 odt export - table type lines appeared on the
> page
> which are not visible in calligra words [reported]
> 
>
> Rating: B as opening/saving rtf/doc had font and image
> problems, as
> well as problems with opening ms word odt file
>

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[Robinson Tryon]

For meeting information, a handy-dandy url that will convert the
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here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2014/May_05

I hope to see all of you there!

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 07:24:07PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote:
> Please enlighten me as i couldnt find any mention of submitting bug
> reports on the download page.

Hint: libreoffice.org is the download page.

Calling for bug reports is on that page, along with all the other essential
stuff. But as I said, please take this to the website list, if you want to
continue this topic.
 
> Look forward to the move to the LibO's own bugzilla and hope it also has
> simple authentication for gmail, hotmail, facebook, twitter, launchpad, etc.

Looking forward to see you help out there ;)

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Jay Philips]

Hello,

On 05/05/2014 05:36 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 04:59:37PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote:

Yes initially i was confused as i was used to seeing chrome's
labelling there releases as development, beta and stable.I think it
would be great if the website would provide better explanation on
the download pages of what each of the versions was for so that
users would understand what they were downloading.

http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2014/03/libreoffice-gets-fresh-and-stable/index.htm?utm_content=buffer5d3d0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

explains it nicely as does our wiki (even since before we labeled the stuff
"fresh" and "stable". Putting it on the webpage is not a good idea, as most
users just want their download without too much hassle. Those interested in the
nitty gritty will find it.


One sentence stating that this version is for "early adopters and 
technology enthusiasts" or something of that sort and a similar one on 
the stable page just above the download link button wouldnt be that much 
of a inconvenience on a download page.



Also think that the download page would be a great location to encourage
users to submit bugs.

It already does. If you have concrete further suggestions, please take them to
the website mailing list.
  


Please enlighten me as i couldnt find any mention of submitting bug 
reports on the download page.



I believe that if we wish to encourage users to submit bugs to LibO,
then we need to have bug reporting more visible in the UI, like a
bug icon in the app toolbar similar to the help icon, maybe a crash
report dialog that appears after LibO crashes (like KDE), maybe a
bug report button next to 'Help' and 'Extensions' in the main UI,
and possibly an initial bug report request visible to users when
they first run LibO.

So, for one the main barrier to bug reporting is not a missing toolbar button
etc.(although we already even have "report a problem" in the menu) but the
hassles of needing a bugzilla account setup. Migrating to our own bugzilla will
hopefully allow us simplifications there. If you are interested to help out
there, Robinson will certainly be happy to get you started.


I had seen 'send feedback' in the help menu but never 'report a 
problem', but how visible is an entry in the help menu, when you dont 
even have to go to the help menu to get help, as the help icon is in the 
toolbar. It being in plain sight will only help more bugs to be field. 
Yes i do agree having to signup for a buzilla account to submit a bug 
report might stop some from submitting bugs, as many would like to 
submit it anonymously and go on with their day and not have to worry 
about follow ups. Look forward to the move to the LibO's own bugzilla 
and hope it also has simple authentication for gmail, hotmail, facebook, 
twitter, launchpad, etc.



The other thing is that we are not so much lacking bug reports, but lacking
GOOD bug reports that have complete triaging info, reproduction scenarios etc.
o the last thing we want really is making it simpler for people to file bad or
incomplete bug reports that cause us more work than they help us.


Yes more bug reports dont always been more good bug reports.


If someone is not able to file a bug report proper, it is likely better to
discuss the symptoms on ask.libreoffice.org, user mailing lists, IRC and social
media and get help on how to file a good bug report. Again as for the bugzilla
migration, you are invited to hang out on these channels and help getting users
up to speed.

Best,

Bjoern



Regards,

Jay
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Sophie]

Hi,
Le 05/05/2014 15:36, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 04:59:37PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote:
>> Yes initially i was confused as i was used to seeing chrome's
>> labelling there releases as development, beta and stable.I think it
>> would be great if the website would provide better explanation on
>> the download pages of what each of the versions was for so that
>> users would understand what they were downloading.
> 
> http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2014/03/libreoffice-gets-fresh-and-stable/index.htm?utm_content=buffer5d3d0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
> 
> explains it nicely as does our wiki (even since before we labeled the stuff
> "fresh" and "stable". Putting it on the webpage is not a good idea, as most
> users just want their download without too much hassle. Those interested in 
> the
> nitty gritty will find it.
> 
>> Also think that the download page would be a great location to encourage
>> users to submit bugs.
> 
> It already does. If you have concrete further suggestions, please take them to
> the website mailing list.
>  
>> I believe that if we wish to encourage users to submit bugs to LibO,
>> then we need to have bug reporting more visible in the UI, like a
>> bug icon in the app toolbar similar to the help icon, maybe a crash
>> report dialog that appears after LibO crashes (like KDE), maybe a
>> bug report button next to 'Help' and 'Extensions' in the main UI,
>> and possibly an initial bug report request visible to users when
>> they first run LibO.
> 
> So, for one the main barrier to bug reporting is not a missing toolbar button
> etc.(although we already even have "report a problem" in the menu) but the
> hassles of needing a bugzilla account setup. Migrating to our own bugzilla 
> will
> hopefully allow us simplifications there. If you are interested to help out
> there, Robinson will certainly be happy to get you started.
> 
> The other thing is that we are not so much lacking bug reports, but lacking
> GOOD bug reports that have complete triaging info, reproduction scenarios 
> etc. 
> o the last thing we want really is making it simpler for people to file bad or
> incomplete bug reports that cause us more work than they help us.

yes, and having bug reports in multiple languages won't help :)

Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

Hi,

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 04:59:37PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote:
> Yes initially i was confused as i was used to seeing chrome's
> labelling there releases as development, beta and stable.I think it
> would be great if the website would provide better explanation on
> the download pages of what each of the versions was for so that
> users would understand what they were downloading.

http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2014/03/libreoffice-gets-fresh-and-stable/index.htm?utm_content=buffer5d3d0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

explains it nicely as does our wiki (even since before we labeled the stuff
"fresh" and "stable". Putting it on the webpage is not a good idea, as most
users just want their download without too much hassle. Those interested in the
nitty gritty will find it.

> Also think that the download page would be a great location to encourage
> users to submit bugs.

It already does. If you have concrete further suggestions, please take them to
the website mailing list.
 
> I believe that if we wish to encourage users to submit bugs to LibO,
> then we need to have bug reporting more visible in the UI, like a
> bug icon in the app toolbar similar to the help icon, maybe a crash
> report dialog that appears after LibO crashes (like KDE), maybe a
> bug report button next to 'Help' and 'Extensions' in the main UI,
> and possibly an initial bug report request visible to users when
> they first run LibO.

So, for one the main barrier to bug reporting is not a missing toolbar button
etc.(although we already even have "report a problem" in the menu) but the
hassles of needing a bugzilla account setup. Migrating to our own bugzilla will
hopefully allow us simplifications there. If you are interested to help out
there, Robinson will certainly be happy to get you started.

The other thing is that we are not so much lacking bug reports, but lacking
GOOD bug reports that have complete triaging info, reproduction scenarios etc. 
o the last thing we want really is making it simpler for people to file bad or
incomplete bug reports that cause us more work than they help us.

If someone is not able to file a bug report proper, it is likely better to
discuss the symptoms on ask.libreoffice.org, user mailing lists, IRC and social
media and get help on how to file a good bug report. Again as for the bugzilla
migration, you are invited to hang out on these channels and help getting users
up to speed.

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] No thinderbox build for Windows master after 30-04-14

[V Stuart Foote]

Markus,

While the TB's are back on line. Look to have a lingering issue with the
builds where now toolbar action (Tools -> Options for example) has lost its
resulting actions and the UI simply hangs with a partial GUI dialog opening.

Reported in BZ as  fdo#78266
  .

Stuart






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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Jay Philips]

Hi Michael,

On 05/05/2014 02:37 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi Jay,

I think you're confused by the naming. Currently we have these
releases:

4.3 (master) - Beta
4.2 - Fresh
4.1 - Stable

As/when we release 4.3.0 those will rotate I imagine:

master
4.3 - Fresh
4.2 - Stable

etc. =) it's like climbing up a ladder I guess.

All of this is essentially propagating some sort of pyramid scheme on
ourselves. The sad reality of life is that there is no substitute for
getting a few million people to test the code and file bugs. Despite our
significant investments in automated QA etc. we are still unaware of
lots of bugs until we release the latest 'Fresh' release - and then
(over some months) we make it more stable based on user feedback until
we tag that as 'Stable' and move on.


Yes initially i was confused as i was used to seeing chrome's labelling 
there releases as development, beta and stable.I think it would be great 
if the website would provide better explanation on the download pages of 
what each of the versions was for so that users would understand what 
they were downloading. Also think that the download page would be a 
great location to encourage users to submit bugs.


I think it is great that we get more users to test the code, but 
unfortunately a large percentage of these users have never filed a bug 
before and will likely not do so, even if they encountered one. I 
believe that if we wish to encourage users to submit bugs to LibO, then 
we need to have bug reporting more visible in the UI, like a bug icon in 
the app toolbar similar to the help icon, maybe a crash report dialog 
that appears after LibO crashes (like KDE), maybe a bug report button 
next to 'Help' and 'Extensions' in the main UI, and possibly an initial 
bug report request visible to users when they first run LibO. I think 
more bug reports could be filed if there was a bug report form/dialog 
was added to LibO from which users could send in an initial bug report. 
Something as simple as the current bug report page found in LibO's 
website < https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ >, or possibly 
taking that form and embedding it into form/dialog.



Of course - this situation is helped by people (such as yourself) doing
more testing on 4.3 / master - something we like to encourage.


I believe i would have done testing on 4.3 from when i started my docx 
testing if it had found it on the development versions page < 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ > which unfortunately 
it is still not listed under even though it has been available in the 
pre-release folder since the 20th of april.



With the recent talk about 4.3 not working on windows XP

It doesn't ? then we should fix that - it's a bug. There are currently
no plans to drop Windows XP support that I'm aware of. As you say it is
an important platform.


Yes there is a bug in LibO running on windows xp which was being 
discussed in the mailing list these last few days (bug 77891).Glad to 
hear that there are no current plans to stop supporting XP.



ATB,

Michael.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Bjoern Michaelsen]

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 02:13:04PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote:
> I was curious why the word "Fresh" is used rather than the more
> widely used word "Beta" for the latest development release branch.

Beta is rarely used for branches, it is mostly used for tags (just like
LibreOffice does).

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Jay,

On Mon, 2014-05-05 at 14:13 +0400, Jay Philips wrote:
> I was curious why the word "Fresh" is used rather than the more widely 
> used word "Beta" for the latest development release branch.

I think you're confused by the naming. Currently we have these
releases:

4.3 (master) - Beta
4.2 - Fresh
4.1 - Stable

As/when we release 4.3.0 those will rotate I imagine:

master
4.3 - Fresh
4.2 - Stable

etc. =) it's like climbing up a ladder I guess.

All of this is essentially propagating some sort of pyramid scheme on
ourselves. The sad reality of life is that there is no substitute for
getting a few million people to test the code and file bugs. Despite our
significant investments in automated QA etc. we are still unaware of
lots of bugs until we release the latest 'Fresh' release - and then
(over some months) we make it more stable based on user feedback until
we tag that as 'Stable' and move on.

Of course - this situation is helped by people (such as yourself) doing
more testing on 4.3 / master - something we like to encourage.

> With the recent talk about 4.3 not working on windows XP

It doesn't ? then we should fix that - it's a bug. There are currently
no plans to drop Windows XP support that I'm aware of. As you say it is
an important platform.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Libreoffice-qa] Question of the use of 'Fresh' rather than 'Beta' and support for XP

[Jay Philips]

Hi All,

I was curious why the word "Fresh" is used rather than the more widely 
used word "Beta" for the latest development release branch. This was a 
confusing thing to me as well until I read "Fresh, targeted to early 
adopters and technology enthusiasts, and Stable targeted to enterprise 
deployments and conservative users” at 
. Chromium,Firefox and the like use theword "Beta" for development 
branches and users testing and reviewing LibO would understand it as 
such, so that negative compatibility reviews don't show up similar to 
the review that brought me into testing LibO < 
http://netrunner-mag.com/libreoffice-vs-microsoft-office-part-deux/ >.


With the recent talk about 4.3 not working on windows XP, i was 
wondering how long XP will be supported by LibO as chrome, firefox, and 
opera have stated that they will continue to support XP as long as it is 
popular among their users. As a recent ex-windows XP user, i believe 
many users will stick with XP for another half decade or more and i 
think that supporting these users with a modern open source office suite 
as an alternative to the last version of ms office that will run on XP 
and Vista (office 2010) would be a great advantage to bringing in more 
users to LibO, especially as LibO continues to improve in compatibility 
and features. Microsoft will continue to support office 2007 for another 
3 years and office 2010 for another 7 < 
http://www.allyncs.com/docs/lifecyclesupport.html >.


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [documentliberation-discuss] ODF compatibility tests

[Michael Stahl]

On 02/05/14 15:01, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Jay,
> 
> Replying in more details: there are a few ODF validators out there but 
> they are neither autoritative nor maintained. And ODF 1,2 has evolved 
> after they were released:
> http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=validators:overview

at least the ODF Toolkit validator is up-to-date with the ODF 1.2
schema; for validating documents exported from LO (or actually OOo
versions > 3.0 i guess) with default setting of
"Tools->Options->Load/Save->General->ODF format version" it's best to
check for "extended conformance".
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DOCX Test 4 Results

[Jay Philips]

Hi Joel,

Its been done. :)

Jay Philips

On 05/05/2014 02:48 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
Ah - okay new plan. CC me on every regression and put 
"bibisectrequest" in whiteboard. I'll do the bibisecting :)



Best,
Joel



On 05/04/2014 02:02 PM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi Joel,

I think i hit my first snag as i dont run 64-bit linux. :(

Jay Philips

On 05/04/2014 08:48 PM, Joel Madero wrote:
Nice! Thanks for offering to try. First thing is to download the 
very large package (8.4 gigs) - 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions


You'll want the "42all" version - you can download from either TDF 
or Canonical servers.


Let me know if you need help and I'll try to do what I can. The wiki 
is pretty solid but sometimes I hit snags that require finagling.


Best,
Joel


On 05/04/2014 02:52 AM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi,

No i haven't bibisected before, but can give it a try.

Jay Philips

On 05/04/2014 06:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

have you bibisected before? if not, are you willing to try? it helps
tremendously for regressions.


Best,
Joel


On 05/03/2014 11:30 AM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi Joel,

I'm running on Linux. All the regressions i've found can be pulled
from this list of my bug reports <
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=short_desc&emailreporter1=1&list_id=420031&o1=substring&emailtype1=substring&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&email1=philipz85%40hotmail.com&v1=regression&product=LibreOffice 


>

Jay Philips

On 05/03/2014 09:49 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hey Jay,

Are you running Windows or Linux? I'd like to get some bibisects of
these if possible (the ones where you say it's a regression)


Best,
Joel


On 05/02/2014 10:14 PM, Jay Philips wrote:

Hi All,

I just wanted to share with you all the results of my latest
extended .docx test and hope its okay to do so here in the mailing
list.

file url:
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/customerevidence/Files/71003670/Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise.docx 



file contents: chinese language, text and images, 6 pages, 230Kb

Results

* docx & doc - paragraph spacing is off [reported]
-
* export doc, docx strict, docx trans, odt - perfect as same as 
input
* export rtf - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and 
regression in

font color not retained [4.2 only] [reported]
* exports in word 2010 - all look good except doc/docx have a few
bullet points with text on the following line [reported]
-
* kingsoft doc export - using Sinsum rather than Microsoft Yahei,
blue colored text appeared in green, image centered rather than
being left aligned, and second image had text wrapping on when it
should have been off [reported]
* kingsoft docx export - paragraph spacing is off
* kingsoft rtf export - font name not retained [4.1 - 4.3] and not
openable in versions below 4.1 [reported]
-
* word 2013/2010 doc, docx trans, docx strict, rtf export -
paragraph and line spacing is off
* word 2013/2010 odt export - table type lines appeared on the 
page

which are not visible in calligra words [reported]


Rating: B as opening/saving rtf/doc had font and image 
problems, as

well as problems with opening ms word odt file



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